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Are Yemen, Ethiopia, and Tajikistan welcoming?

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Are Yemen, Ethiopia, and Tajikistan welcoming?

Postby TopSpruce » Thu May 01, 2014 9:55 pm

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If you look at the map of welcoming places, Kyrgyzstan is marked red as unwelcoming despite getting some positive expat reviews. On the other hand, people have said bad things about Tajikistan yet it is marked blue here. Perhaps those expats that went to Tajikistan were just sex tourists and didn't get what they came for. But for brides, it may be a good place.

Also, Yemen is marked as dark blue and the Yemeni man I know is extremely welcoming.
I imagine a Muslim man who moved to Yemen could find a very good, traditional wife.

Next, Ethiopia has a bad reputation in common conversation, but it is renowned amongst those seeking brides in the African continent. Lots of model quality girls there.

I think we need to differentiate between the sex and P4P search and the wife search. For example, many have written positively about Ukraine. I agree that its good for sex and P4P, but it is not all that great for wife search.

Perhaps some less conventional places such as Ethiopia, Tajikistan and Yemen are worth visiting.
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Postby xiongmao » Fri May 02, 2014 7:41 pm

The UK more welcoming than China? This map is rubbish.

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Postby Cornfed » Fri May 02, 2014 8:58 pm

xiongmao wrote:The UK more welcoming than China? This map is rubbish.

Perhaps they are defining "welcoming" as the tendency to hand out welfare money and government jobs to foreign scumbags.
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Postby TopSpruce » Fri May 02, 2014 11:08 pm

Cornfed wrote:
xiongmao wrote:The UK more welcoming than China? This map is rubbish.

Perhaps they are defining "welcoming" as the tendency to hand out welfare money and government jobs to foreign scumbags.


No, they define welcoming as to how much they would want a foreigner in their country.

I can agree that it is generally accurate according to my experiences.


In general, the empires of the world are less welcoming than smaller countries.
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Postby ntm1972 » Sat May 03, 2014 6:23 pm

Brunei more welcoming than Germany?

Brunei just implemented Sharia law, for goodness' sake! Granted, the map's a year old, but....

Let's put it this way: If the people who created this map develop an updated version a few years down the road, and if there's any merit to their methodology, Brunei will be as red as Saudi Arabia.

I agree with Xiongmao. This map should be regarded with a healthy degree of skepticism.
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Postby TopSpruce » Sat May 03, 2014 7:43 pm

Perhaps, but I think a welcoming Islamic, African, or South/Southeast Asian country would be the epitomy of traditionalism. The questions is what country is BOTH welcoming and traditional.

Look at the marriage rates below. Tajikistan and Ethiopia have some of the highest marriage rates in the world. The Arab countries like Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Persian Iran all have high marriage rates. Yemen is similar culturally, and probably has a similar rate. (Philippines may be around 5.5, according to another source. USA, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine are all high...but divorce is high too.)

So you see... these types of countries are the best countries for marriage. Now, are they welcoming? And which of the traditional countries are most welcoming.


(Source: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/ ... able23.pdf and
Wiki version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography)

Countries[edit]


Country

Crude marriage rate

Crude divorce rate

% Divorce:marriage ratio

Data Source Year


Seychelles 17.4 1.9 11 (2011)[2][3]
Tajikistan 13.5 0.8 6 (2009)[2][3]
Iran 12.2 1.7 14 (2009)[2][3]
Egypt 11.0 1.9 17 (2010)[2][3]
Bermuda 10.6 2.7 25 (2009)[2][3]
Syria 10.6 1.0 9 (2006)[6]
Jordan 10.2 2.6 25 (2010)[2][3]
Azerbaijan 9.7 1.2 12 (2011)[2][3]
Kyrgyzstan 9.7 1.6 16 (2010)[2][3]
Lebanon 9.5 1.6 17 (2007)[2][3]
China 9.3 2.0 22 (2010)[2][3]
Belarus 9.2 4.1 45 (2011)[2][3]
Russia 9.2 4.8 51 (2011)[2][3]
Albania 8.9 1.7 19 (2011)[2][3]
Kazakhstan 8.6 2.3 27 (2008)[2][3]
Mauritius 8.2 1.4 17 (2010)[2][3]
Turkey 8.0 1.6 20 (2011)[2][3]
Cyprus 7.9 2.2 28 (2009)[4]
Uzbekistan 7.8 0.6 8 (2006)[10][11]
Jamaica 7.5 0.7 9 (2011)[2][3]
Moldova 7.3 3.1 42 (2011)[2][3]
Republic of Macedonia 7.2 0.8 11 (2011)[2][3]
Tonga 7.1 1.0 14 (2003)[6]
Georgia 6.9 1.3 19 (2011)[2][3]
United States 6.8 3.6 53 (2011), 44 reporting States[9]
Gibraltar 6.7 3.2 48 (2010)[2][3]
Ukraine 6.7 2.8 42 (2010)[2][3]
Brazil 6.6 1.4 21 (2009)[5]
Israel 6.5 1.8 28 (2009)[2][3]
South Korea 6.4 2.3 36 (2013)[7]
Trinidad and Tobago 6.3 2.2 35 (2005)[6][8]
Bahamas 6.1 0.3 5 (2007)[2][3]
San Marino 6.1 2.5 41 (2011)[2][3]
Armenia 6.0 1.0 17 (2011)[2][3]
Libya 6.0 0.3 5 (2002)[6]
Poland 6.0 1.6 27 (2010)[4]
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 5.8 0.8 14 (2007)[2][3]
Lithuania 5.7 3.0 53 (2010)[4]
Montenegro 5.7 0.8 14 (2011)[2][3]
Vietnam 5.7 0.2 4 (2007)[2][3]
Denmark 5.6 2.6 46 (2010)[4]
Ecuador 5.6 1.1 20 (2006)[6]
Finland 5.6 2.5 45 (2010)[4]
Japan 5.5 2.0 36 (2010)[2][3]
Switzerland 5.5 2.8 51 (2010)[4]
Thailand 5.5 1.4 25 (2005)[6]
Australia 5.4 2.3 43 (2010)[2][3]
Romania 5.4 1.5 28 (2010)[4]
Costa Rica 5.3 2.5 47 (2010)[2][3]
Singapore 5.3 1.5 28 (2011)[2][3]
Sweden 5.3 2.5 47 (2010)[4]
Cuba 5.2 2.9 56 (2010)[2][3]
Kuwait 5.2 2.2 42 (2010)[2][3]
Mexico 5.2 0.8 15 (2009)[2][3]
Saudi Arabia 5.2 1.1 21 (2005)[6]
Bosnia and Herzegovina 5.1 0.4 8 (2010)[2][3]
Grenada 5.0 1.1 22 (2001)[6]
Liechtenstein 5.0 2.4 48 (2010)[4]
Iceland 4.9 1.8 37 (2010)[4]
Serbia 4.9 1.1 22 (2011)[2][3]
Croatia 4.8 1.1 23 (2010)[4]
Greece 4.8 1.2 25 (2008)[2][3]
New Zealand 4.8 2.0 42 (2008)[2][3]
Norway 4.8 2.1 44 (2010)[4]
Germany 4.7 2.3 49 (2010)[4]
Slovakia 4.7 2.2 47 (2010)[4]
Ireland 4.6 0.7 15 (2010)[4]
Austria 4.5 2.1 47 (2010)[4]
European Union 4.5 2.0 44 (2010)[4]
Nicaragua 4.5 0.8 18 (2005)[6]
Canada 4.4 2.1 48 (2008)[2][3]
Czech Republic 4.4 2.9 66 (2010)[4]
Dominican Republic 4.4 1.8 41 (2010)[2][3]
Netherlands 4.4 1.9 43 (2009)[4]
United Kingdom 4.3 2.0 47 (2009)[4]
Belgium 4.2 3.0 71 (2010)[4]
Latvia 4.2 2.2 52 (2010)[4]
Suriname 4.2 1.3 31 (2007)[2][3]
Estonia 3.8 2.2 58 (2010)[4]
France 3.8 2.1 55 (2010)[4]
Guatemala 3.8 0.2 5 (2008)[2][3]
Panama 3.7 1.0 27 (2010)[2][3]
Portugal 3.7 2.5 68 (2010)[4]
Hungary 3.6 2.4 67 (2010)[4]
Italy 3.6 0.9 25 (2010)[4]
Spain 3.6 2.2 61 (2010)[4]
El Salvador 3.5 0.8 23 (2006)[6]
Luxembourg 3.5 2.1 60 (2010)[4]
South Africa 3.5 0.6 17 (2009)[5]
Mongolia 3.4 1.1 32 (2010)[2][3]
Chile 3.3 0.1 3 (2009)[2][3]
Qatar 3.3 1.1 33 (2011)[2][3]
Venezuela 3.3 0.9 27 (2006)[2]
Bulgaria 3.2 1.5 47 (2010)[4]
Slovenia 3.2 1.2 38 (2010)[4]
Uruguay 3.2 (2010)[2]
Saint Lucia 2.8 0.7 25 (2004)[6]
Colombia 2.3 0.2 9 (2007)[6]
India 1.01 (2011)[citation needed]
Sri Lanka 0.15 (2005)[
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sat May 03, 2014 8:35 pm

I'm planing a trip to Ethiopia this year. It's going to be a blast and I will be sure and post how friendly and welcoming Ethiopian people are.
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Postby Introvert » Sat May 03, 2014 8:59 pm

Yes to Ethiopia.

NorthAmericanguy wrote:I'm planing a trip to Ethiopia this year. It's going to be a blast and I will be sure and post how friendly and welcoming Ethiopian people are.


I don't know if this is a widespread thought there, but I met a lady that said she would never live in the States because of how unsafe our schools are for children. Granted, only one of the women I met said this. I am not looking to bring anyone back here anyway, but it is something to consider for those who may be thinking about bringing someone to live in the US.
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sat May 03, 2014 9:33 pm

Introvert wrote:Yes to Ethiopia.

NorthAmericanguy wrote:I'm planing a trip to Ethiopia this year. It's going to be a blast and I will be sure and post how friendly and welcoming Ethiopian people are.


I don't know if this is a widespread thought there, but I met a lady that said she would never live in the States because of how unsafe our schools are for children. Granted, only one of the women I met said this. I am not looking to bring anyone back here anyway, but it is something to consider for those who may be thinking about bringing someone to live in the US.


I'm glad I don't have kids. In the U.S., just like with housing, you only have two options:

1. Pay the big money to send your kids to expensive schools where things are clean and safe.

2. Don't pay the money and send your kids to the s**** schools where they will be sitting next to all the future drug addicts and low level street criminals.
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Good point

Postby TopSpruce » Sun May 04, 2014 5:43 pm

Good point NA guy. It is pretty bad.

You are completely right, no point in talking about it anymore. I'm already starting to prepare for my next trip this fall. I guess I just need to narrow down the country. Tajikistan is not bad, but Yemen and Ethiopia are looking better and more traditional and welcoming. Certainly, some more careful research is in order. This time I'll pay more attention to statistics instead of anecdotal data. I'll also try to get some penpals to have some friends as contacts in place before I arrive. Getting there is the easy part, narrowing down the final choice is the difficult part, but thats the way life goes. Last time I spent 4 months researching before I moved to the FSU for 3 years. This time I hope to find the right place and start a family.
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Postby Array9 » Sun May 04, 2014 10:29 pm

NorthAmericanguy wrote:I'm planing a trip to Ethiopia this year. It's going to be a blast and I will be sure and post how friendly and welcoming Ethiopian people are.


I am no expert on Ethiopia but I visited there a few years ago. The country is very safe and the people were very friendly. I even walked around at night with people I knew and I always felt safe. Every time I was introduced to a lady, they would embrace me as if we were friends.

The women in Ethiopia are beautiful, very friendly and open to talking to foreigners. I even had a some females come up to me and start conversations.

On the down side, Ethiopia is a poverty stricken country so girls will do anything to leave.

Enjoy your trip.
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Postby TopSpruce » Mon May 05, 2014 12:30 am

Array9 wrote:
NorthAmericanguy wrote:I'm planing a trip to Ethiopia this year. It's going to be a blast and I will be sure and post how friendly and welcoming Ethiopian people are.


I am no expert on Ethiopia but I visited there a few years ago. The country is very safe and the people were very friendly. I even walked around at night with people I knew and I always felt safe. Every time I was introduced to a lady, they would embrace me as if we were friends.

The women in Ethiopia are beautiful, very friendly and open to talking to foreigners. I even had a some females come up to me and start conversations.

On the down side, Ethiopia is a poverty stricken country so girls will do anything to leave.

Enjoy your trip.


Cool. How much money would it take to live there comfortably? 1000 Dollars a month good enough to support a wife and kids?

What about job opportunities for foreigners? Did you learn the language?

Awesome post. It gives me hope that there are some good places out there to visit. You made my day guy, Thanks.
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Postby Array9 » Mon May 05, 2014 1:34 am

TopSpruce wrote:
Array9 wrote:
NorthAmericanguy wrote:I'm planing a trip to Ethiopia this year. It's going to be a blast and I will be sure and post how friendly and welcoming Ethiopian people are.


I am no expert on Ethiopia but I visited there a few years ago. The country is very safe and the people were very friendly. I even walked around at night with people I knew and I always felt safe. Every time I was introduced to a lady, they would embrace me as if we were friends.

The women in Ethiopia are beautiful, very friendly and open to talking to foreigners. I even had a some females come up to me and start conversations.

On the down side, Ethiopia is a poverty stricken country so girls will do anything to leave.

Enjoy your trip.


Cool. How much money would it take to live there comfortably? 1000 Dollars a month good enough to support a wife and kids?

What about job opportunities for foreigners? Did you learn the language?

Awesome post. It gives me hope that there are some good places out there to visit. You made my day guy, Thanks.


I live in northern Virginia and there are tons of Ethiopians in this area. What they do is work here, save their money and go back home and build houses. This causes the prices there to skyrocket. My friends are always complaining about the cost to live in Addis Ababa now.

It has been some time since I have been in that realm but $1000 should be enough to live in the nice areas. You should be able to find a nice place to rent for about $400-500 a month. In terms of job opportunities, unless you find an American based non-profit organization that has an office in Addis Ababa, the job opportunities are limited.

Amharic was difficult for me to understand as they have their own alphabet. If I spend more time there, I would definitely give it a try.
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Postby Array9 » Mon May 05, 2014 1:45 am

One last thing on Ethiopia, the people that I encountered there were genuine. They treated me nice without the expectation of getting paid for something. For example people came up to me and wanted to know where I was from. It was almost like they were not used to seeing a foreigner before. Compared to other places where people only talked to you just to see if they can get something out of you.

I was treated well in Ethiopia and I will go there again whenever possible.
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Re: Good point

Postby Jester » Mon May 05, 2014 6:18 am

TopSpruce wrote:You are completely right, no point in talking about it anymore. I'm already starting to prepare for my next trip this fall. I guess I just need to narrow down the country. Tajikistan is not bad, but Yemen and Ethiopia are looking better and more traditional and welcoming. Certainly, some more careful research is in order. This time I'll pay more attention to statistics instead of anecdotal data. I'll also try to get some penpals to have some friends as contacts in place before I arrive. Getting there is the easy part, narrowing down the final choice is the difficult part, but thats the way life goes. Last time I spent 4 months researching before I moved to the FSU for 3 years. This time I hope to find the right place and start a family.


Why Tajikistan as opposed to Kirghizsran? Farsi culture as opposed to Mongol or what? Just curious.

I wholeheartedly concur with Ethiopia. It would be on my list if I thought I could make a living there. BTW NAughtyNomad has a blog where he describes romantic adventures abroad. Check out his post about Ethiopia. He's a young fit Irish guy who looks like a Viking, he had a blast there.

Also don't know if you're a history buff like me, but the "Ark of the Covenant" ( a box holding the original Ten Commandments) is in Ethiopia, in Aksum. The same one that Indiana Jones was looking for in "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Re Yemen - how do you plan to pull off bridehunting there? I think of them as all believing Moslems. I guess there used to be a lot of Jews there, but regardless, same problem. Hard to penetrate where tribal cockblocking is strong. I suppose Aden would be more cosmopolitan? Great idea if you can get in, girls raised in a conservative culture, no feminism, obedience etc.... And not much competition from outsiders I would guess, except military types heading for brothels...
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