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Postby publicduende » Wed May 28, 2014 7:32 am

droid wrote:
publicduende wrote:Nah, dude, ain't that simple....

Spend six months with erratic, mean Psychos from Santa Barbara and San Fernando Valley, and get back to us duende.


Not exactly on top of my wish list. If you think that piece of American society is f***ed up beyond recognition and repair, GTFO. Perhaps when you'll be in China next year you'll begin to understand that the world doesn't revolve around the US of A.
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Postby djfourmoney » Wed May 28, 2014 7:38 am

David what do you mean PUA's are harmless? They damage dating pools for Western men, because its only Western men engaged in this activity.

They say whatever they need to say in order to get those panties to drop and stop pretending that is not the goal for 99.9% of those who follow PUA principals.

Guys looking for honest, romantic relationships find this behavior appalling and know women hurt by these men take out their vengeance on the next man that enters their radar field.

They ask questions they wouldn't have ask before putting up additional hurdles for the new men that enter their lives. So you consider making others lives difficult because she was manipulated into giving sex to a guy that was only in her country for a few days to maybe a few weeks?

Most women, especially overseas are looking for long term relationships firstly, good times secondly. This is why casual sex in Europe, in much of Asia and Latin America is not a problem since prostitution is also legal/tolerate in many of those countries. In other words, most men don't have to resort to PUA because they can go down to the Red Light District or Zone of Tolerance and get their sexual needs taken care of.

There is no social sigma like you have in this puritanical country and I would say there more Christians in Latin America but not nearly as hypocritical as ours tend to be here and in Europe.

This young man had issues with our culture that manifested themselves in daily dealings with Alpha males and attractive women. He did this act to exact revenge as he stayed but it also served as a warning to these narcissistic people that their will be redemption for their behavior. As Fschmit said we live in decadent times, valuing materialism and money above all else including actual human suffering, which is on the rise in 1st world countries.
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Postby Cornfed » Wed May 28, 2014 8:33 am

djfourmoney wrote:David what do you mean PUA's are harmless? They damage dating pools for Western men, because its only Western men engaged in this activity.

They say whatever they need to say in order to get those panties to drop and stop pretending that is not the goal for 99.9% of those who follow PUA principals.

Guys looking for honest, romantic relationships find this behavior appalling and know women hurt by these men take out their vengeance on the next man that enters their radar field.

They ask questions they wouldn't have ask before putting up additional hurdles for the new men that enter their lives. So you consider making others lives difficult because she was manipulated into giving sex to a guy that was only in her country for a few days to maybe a few weeks?

I was about to say this. Yes, exactly.
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Postby Repatriate » Wed May 28, 2014 12:01 pm

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It's starting to hit home just how sick and twisted things in the USA have become. The bad news is that the poison is being transmitted to all corners of the earth. It's take-up rate depends on a lot of things. But more or less it's making an impact and penetrating in much of the world. It's deeply depressing.

I'm no longer tied down in U.S. real estate and i'm fully independent now. It's safe to say that I don't really care what happens in the U.S. anymore from a social point of view. I was there for quite awhile last year and aside from seeing old friends/family it was pretty lame overall. I enjoy the fresh air and nice manicured neighborhoods of the U.S, the ease of goods and services, but everything else is the pitts really.


1. The guy was deeply resentful and jealous of the Alpha Phi blond all American college girl prototype and the assortment of white douche bags these girls gave their attention to. That's the element he talked about exacting revenge on in his last vid. So why is it the first three people he killed were Chinese guys who he lived with? If I heard correctly, he actually looked down on pure Asians and blacks as unable to attract hot girls the way certain white guys were able to. So that would put those first guys he killed in the same boat that he was in. Could it be he resented them cus he blamed his own Chinese half for his failures? If so, why was he not resentful of his Chinese blooded mom and why is it that he has such fond memories of his A-Ma? What about his Moroccan step mom who he so resented?

I actually sat down and read through this guy's whole manifesto because he had a similar background to a lot of hapas I know. I've come to the consluion he was just mentally ill so there's no point in rationalizing the whys and why nots because a lot of his reasoning was very bizarre. His observations about the social isolation of American culture is on point but the conclusions he made and the actions he took were obvious insanity. From what I understood he slaughtered his roommates because they annoyed him and he considered them to be disgusting. He actually had a couple roommates that he got along with before that though and a couple before that which he hated. He was just a highly sensitive mentally ill person who had a lower tolerance for people. He was bound to snap.

It's all very sad and depressing.

It's sad and depressing but predictable. America will never address these mass shootings in any sensible way. If you look at the media right now and the associated comment section every single group has come forth to claim victimhood or argue for a slice of the political pie. You have white supremacists trying to pin Elliott Rodger on asians. You have feminist commentators trying to pin it on misogyny and PUA. You have the usual gun control people come out of the woodwork. You have the armchair psychologists etc.. talking about bullying. This seems to happen whenever a major bloodbath like this occurs. There's very little self analysis but lots of political jockeying for position in American society.

I really do think America is a lost cause socially speaking. I have investments in the country still so I hope it doesn't tank during my lifetime but I will do everything in my power to never have to live there again.
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Postby Falcon » Wed May 28, 2014 1:16 pm

publicduende wrote:Nah, dude, ain't that simple. A lot of you in here, without making names, are known to harbour distorted, paranoid views of the environment you live in. It's this bunch who cannot be taken seriously.

Earlier posts have insinuated that, in many parts of your country, it's sufficient to walk alone in a coffee shop or restaurant to be frowned upon by staff and fellow patrons alike. It doesn't take a genius sociologist born and bred in the US to call it a gross exaggeration, to use a euphemism.

I respect S_Parc and I am happy to believe him if he says the situation is that bad, and that's about the level of social disconnection and mistrust you young Americans have towards one another.

I cannot help considering though that a lot of you aren't exactly the most objective benchmark for recounting and judging the social dynamics in the US. Most of you are bitter against the world, always ready to blame feminism, conspiracies and AW bitches for the state of your lives, the lack of a girlfriend or partner worth her name, et cetera. Some of you are deliberately boasting giving up interacting with the world out there, in search for a Utopia of hot virgin teens to marry, as if this self-righteous act of isolation was of any utility to the cause you're purportedly supporting or fighting.

Not to sound arrogant, but to a non-American observer a good 50% of you guys are just biased and unreliable sources of information, let alone opinion.



Seeing much of the world outside US helped me get a better perspective on things.

I've been restraining from posting trip reports and too many opinions since I'm still learning so much about the world. I want to figure out the historical, economic, cultural, and evolutionary reasons behind these differences. Instead of posting irrational rants, it's much more useful to think scientifically and analytically, such as trying to scientifically and rationally explain social phenomena in the framework of Social Darwinism. Maybe after some months I will post much more, as I start to understand things much better.

For example, I've been realizing that people in many developing countries bond together so much because poor people NEED each other to survive and form mutual safety nets. In developing countries, they do not, since forming large, close-knit social networks can become a burden and liability rather than help.


OK, so the thing is, the US has a high degree of free-market capitalism creating wide income gaps much greater than that of Europe, since Western European nations tend to be more socialist and dole out more welfare. The plus side of this is that a freer market allows for more (and sometimes more ruthless) entrepeneurship, which is why you see so many incredibly innovative companies and products coming out of the US (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and so on), but not so much from Europe. But then, there are many cons as well. Capitalism creating wide income gaps is also a huge problem in China, but American individualism, the way American suburbs are laid out, and a hyper-consumerist culture really exacerbate social disconnectedness far beyond that of the more communal and crowded China. Economic, social, and dating Darwinism develop to a much higher degree in the US than elsewhere in the world. So then the winners really win, but the losers really lose it. You can see this in the huge divide between the world-class universities (Ivy Leagues, etc.) and the rest of the schools churning out junk. There's nothing much in the middle.

I'm not BS'ing all of this off the top of my head, since some of these views are also espoused by Lee Kuan Yew (the "founding father" of Singapore) in his recent geopolitical treatises. Lee, who has traveled widely in the US and was educated in the UK, said while the US is in many ways highly admirable for its unparalled universities and economic productivity, that he would not choose to permanantly reside in the US due to its stressful culture.

Additionally, what I see on this forum is American exceptionalism being manifested in simply another way. Due to what they're being taught and exposed to in childhood, Americans often believe that only they are the most (insert ________) in the world. Their opinion of America may have flipped 180 degrees, but the American exceptionalism mindset is still there. After all, the US does top many lists on good and bad things, but many of these things can be found in other countries to some extent as well, and manifested in different ways.
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Postby S_Parc » Wed May 28, 2014 1:57 pm

Repatriate wrote:I actually sat down and read through this guy's whole manifesto because he had a similar background to a lot of hapas I know. I've come to the conclusion he was just mentally ill so there's no point in rationalizing the whys and why nots because a lot of his reasoning was very bizarre. His observations about the social isolation of American culture is on point but the conclusions he made and the actions he took were obvious insanity.

It's sad and depressing but predictable. America will never address these mass shootings in any sensible way. If you look at the media right now and the associated comment section every single group has come forth to claim victimhood or argue for a slice of the political pie. [ snip ] There's very little self analysis but lots of political jockeying for position in American society.

I really do think America is a lost cause socially speaking. I have investments in the country still so I hope it doesn't tank during my lifetime but I will do everything in my power to never have to live there again.


The only place where this self-analysis seems to be happening is HA. Everywhere else, it's the same old, same old jib jab.

As for his insanity, I'm not sure he's any more off the wall, than many other frustrated youths. Realize this, a lot of ppl are mopping around, simply depressed all the time. I recall one angry guy calling me an @sshole, because I was smiling in front of him. I didn't even say a word, nor did I make eye contact. Anyways, after he'd left the scene, I was with a friend and my friend made sure that this character was far away from us before we exited the premises.

For Rodgers, his fixation on the blonde ambition, getting a Marilyn Monroe type, was probably the beginning of the end, as those are the toughest bimbos to lasso in America, esp So Cal. At least after my two failed AW relationships, both white brunettes, I'd expanded my dragnet quite a bit, from ages 22 to 24 (along with doing the occasional Quebec esc@rt/stripper, to relax and keep focus), until I'd left the country & saw that no one needed to date an AW.

I had NO good advice from anyone, during those years. Ppl are all the same, buying into the BS that the right one, was just around the corner, as if relationships in America were like stock picking. It's not. Today, many of those optimists are divorced a/o facing child payments. The percentage of happy couples in America are a minority. Ppl have learned to internalize their disappointments and thus, continue to spew bad advice to maintain that sense of cognitive dissonance.

Rodgers couldn't escape his identification with the false notions of romantic love. If he were in fact, completely cynical, he would have gone to hoes in Nevada, Tijuana, or elsewhere, and labelled women as *all being the same*. That in itself, would have saved him as he'd be another angry ex-pat, who'd eventually calm down, once he finds the right Latin GF.
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Postby zacb » Wed May 28, 2014 4:48 pm

Cornfed wrote:It is events like this that vindicate the position of most posters here of recognizing there are serious problems with modern society, identifying the problems and trying to come up with solutions.


give this man a drink :)

on another note [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oybAUKZhaMA&list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w[/youtube]
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Postby Rock » Wed May 28, 2014 6:40 pm

S_Parc wrote:
Repatriate wrote:I actually sat down and read through this guy's whole manifesto because he had a similar background to a lot of hapas I know. I've come to the conclusion he was just mentally ill so there's no point in rationalizing the whys and why nots because a lot of his reasoning was very bizarre. His observations about the social isolation of American culture is on point but the conclusions he made and the actions he took were obvious insanity.

It's sad and depressing but predictable. America will never address these mass shootings in any sensible way. If you look at the media right now and the associated comment section every single group has come forth to claim victimhood or argue for a slice of the political pie. [ snip ] There's very little self analysis but lots of political jockeying for position in American society.

I really do think America is a lost cause socially speaking. I have investments in the country still so I hope it doesn't tank during my lifetime but I will do everything in my power to never have to live there again.


The only place where this self-analysis seems to be happening is HA. Everywhere else, it's the same old, same old jib jab.

As for his insanity, I'm not sure he's any more off the wall, than many other frustrated youths. Realize this, a lot of ppl are mopping around, simply depressed all the time. I recall one angry guy calling me an @sshole, because I was smiling in front of him. I didn't even say a word, nor did I make eye contact. Anyways, after he'd left the scene, I was with a friend and my friend made sure that this character was far away from us before we exited the premises.

For Rodgers, his fixation on the blonde ambition, getting a Marilyn Monroe type, was probably the beginning of the end, as those are the toughest bimbos to lasso in America, esp So Cal. At least after my two failed AW relationships, both white brunettes, I'd expanded my dragnet quite a bit, from ages 22 to 24 (along with doing the occasional Quebec esc@rt/stripper, to relax and keep focus), until I'd left the country & saw that no one needed to date an AW.

I had NO good advice from anyone, during those years. Ppl are all the same, buying into the BS that the right one, was just around the corner, as if relationships in America were like stock picking. It's not. Today, many of those optimists are divorced a/o facing child payments. The percentage of happy couples in America are a minority. Ppl have learned to internalize their disappointments and thus, continue to spew bad advice to maintain that sense of cognitive dissonance.

Rodgers couldn't escape his identification with the false notions of romantic love. If he were in fact, completely cynical, he would have gone to hoes in Nevada, Tijuana, or elsewhere, and labelled women as *all being the same*. That in itself, would have saved him as he'd be another angry ex-pat, who'd eventually calm down, once he finds the right Latin GF.


I skimmed his autobiography last night. He was sick. He even planned to jealously kill his much younger brother (cus he could already tell he would do very well with women after puberty) even though had developed a good bond with him growing up. He also mercilessly knifed to death those 3 meek Chinese male students in his house just for logistics reasons even though he harbored no jealousy towards them. He even contemplated killing his father if need be.

The guy had sympathy for one person and one person only - himself. Everyone else around him was only there to be used by him or at least not get in his way. Pretty cut-and-dried.

Most frustrated youths have a lot more heart than that. Yes a certain percentage of the population has the potential to become full blown psychopaths but I believe that percentage is still very small - like 1-3%. He fell into that category and his circumstances pushed him over.
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Postby S_Parc » Wed May 28, 2014 7:01 pm

Rock wrote:
S_Parc wrote:As for his insanity, I'm not sure he's any more off the wall, than many other frustrated youths. Realize this, a lot of ppl are mopping around, simply depressed all the time. I recall one angry guy calling me an @sshole, because I was smiling in front of him. I didn't even say a word, nor did I make eye contact. Anyways, after he'd left the scene, I was with a friend and my friend made sure that this character was far away from us before we exited the premises.


I skimmed his autobiography last night. He was sick. He even planned to jealously kill his much younger brother (cus he could already tell he would do very well with women after puberty) even though had developed a good bond with him growing up. He also mercilessly knifed to death those 3 meek Chinese male students in his house just for logistics reasons even though he harbored no jealousy towards them. He even contemplated killing his father if need be.

The guy had sympathy for one person and one person only - himself. Everyone else around him was only there to be used by him or at least not get in his way. Pretty cut-and-dried.

Most frustrated youths have a lot more heart than that. Yes a certain percentage of the population has the potential to become full blown psychopaths but I believe that percentage is still very small - like 1-3%. He fell into that category and his circumstances pushed him over.


Yes, he was sick but his final statement, if you want to call it that, was the end of the road. In other words, that was when he'd given into nothing but sheer hate. There was no point in him, censoring his feelings at that point.

And disliking one's parents and sibling is something I'm familiar with. For me, separate ways is the modern solution, though perhaps back in medieval times, I may have resorted to something more dramatic, since sword fighting was legal back then, as in Shakespeare's Hamlet.

This sort of stuff happens, when unprocessed feelings go on for too long. I'd say it's closer to 10% of the population, 15% if drugs are involved.
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Postby publicduende » Wed May 28, 2014 7:06 pm

Rock wrote:Most frustrated youths have a lot more heart than that. Yes a certain percentage of the population has the potential to become full blown psychopaths but I believe that percentage is still very small - like 1-3%. He fell into that category and his circumstances pushed him over.


That is still a frighteningly high percentage, even when considering that the stream of bad life events that could truly push them over the limit is a fraction of the unity. Say 2% are potential violent psychos and each of them has a 25% chance to be exasperated to the point of planning a killing. That makes 0.5% of young people in America.

What is the probability that that disgraced 0.5% will have access to firearms as tools to pursue their agendas? Almost 100%. Now, that's truly chilling.

0.5% is about human nature and the state of our society, neither of which are things that can be changed overnight. The latter figure is something that would only require a well-concerted political act, even without giving a rat's ass about the NRA and the grassroot libertarian movements, to curb down or reduce to negligible. They did it in the UK in 1997, the year after a notorious massacre where a Scottish paedophile killed 16 children and one teacher. Piers Morgan tried to reignite the debate after the Batman mass shooting and hit a brick wall (or a rubber wall, as it also involved Alex Jones).

I say sexual starvation is one half of the problem. Shooting someone with bullets instead of jizz is the other half.
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Postby S_Parc » Wed May 28, 2014 7:26 pm

publicduende wrote:I say sexual starvation is one half of the problem. Shooting someone with bullets instead of jizz is the other half.


If I had a pile of cash and a time machine and I went back in time to the year 2009, this is what I'd do.

I'd get a hold of this kid at the age of 17, bring him to the Hotel Del Ray in Costa Rica or Pattaya Beach Thailand. I'd make sure that at least one or two hotties were doing him, every single day. I'd have him register for the Penn State online program and then, he'd never return to SoCal again. He will be disciplined to study hard and then, to bo*nk hard.

Now, fast forward to present time and there's no shooting and our former antihero is now making his first trip to Pennsylvania to pick up his graduation diploma. Next, he's off to London for his one year LSE diploma and Julia is waiting for him at his flat at Leicester Sq.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Wed May 28, 2014 10:27 pm

Cornfed wrote:
djfourmoney wrote:David what do you mean PUA's are harmless? They damage dating pools for Western men, because its only Western men engaged in this activity.

They say whatever they need to say in order to get those panties to drop and stop pretending that is not the goal for 99.9% of those who follow PUA principals.

Guys looking for honest, romantic relationships find this behavior appalling and know women hurt by these men take out their vengeance on the next man that enters their radar field.

They ask questions they wouldn't have ask before putting up additional hurdles for the new men that enter their lives. So you consider making others lives difficult because she was manipulated into giving sex to a guy that was only in her country for a few days to maybe a few weeks?

I was about to say this. Yes, exactly.


I agree with all of that. I said PUA's mostly operate in America and that it's harmless in America. That's because American women are sluts anyway. Like you said Cornfed, American women have given up their roles as fellow citizens and should no longer have protections. That's why I don't care if PUAs scam them. But in countries where prostitution is legal or in traditional societies, of course PUA is bad. There's less of a reason for PUA to even exist in those countries though. Someone trying to game women overseas is just a moron since he could pay for sex with less effort. I'm saying PUAs aren't a problem in modern America and that's where most of them operate.

Also, Falcon, I appreciate the post. Lee Kuan Yew's a giant. I'd love to hear more of your thoughts once you've developed them.
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Postby pandabear » Thu May 29, 2014 1:20 am

Roosh just got raked over the coals.

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Postby Tsar » Thu May 29, 2014 3:37 am

pandabear wrote:Roosh just got raked over the coals.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3w-5-b4mhM[/youtube]


Roosh makes many valid points.
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Postby droid » Thu May 29, 2014 4:09 am

pandabear wrote:Roosh just got raked over the coals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3w-5-b4mhM
Ha, she's so intellectually dishonest. But it's to be expected. About every conceivable red-herring is thrown in around 6 minutes.
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