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Postby publicduende » Sun May 25, 2014 5:04 pm

S_Parc wrote:I'm going with the theory that his dad had dropped the ball on the kid and let nature take its course.

And thus, if he's not going to be socially attractive, then he's far better off at a 5 star Aussie/Kiwi brothel, spending his dad's cash then in going down that road to oblivion.

I would have arranged that for him, if I were his dad. (BTW, I did that for an American virgin at a Brazilian thermas and believe me, the guy was externally grateful. He'd later found a regular Brazilian GF and settled down with her.)

Afterwards, after some actual counseling, if he's not able to loosen up and mingle with others successfully, then there's a real psychological problem there, ala Ted Kaczynski.


This isn't something that a single power shot of P4P sex would have solved. Not to be an armchair psychologist here, but his problems were deeper rooted and came from much earlier in his childhood.

I say his dad should have paid attention to his son's gaping sense social disconnect much earlier. The problem about these upper class families is that it's so easy for them to be self-absorbed by their brilliant careers, social lives and celeb neighbours, and forget the most basic tenets of good parenting: a child needs to feel loved, wanted, and cared for.

That's the only recipe to bring up a socially healthy individual later in life. So much of modern society is toxic, I agree with you. Yet, just like measles, you either go through it early in life and build your antibodies, or you face it later at a much heavier cost.
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Postby publicduende » Sun May 25, 2014 5:18 pm

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publicduende wrote:He was actually good looking and trim

Not enough for these girls believe it or not. Also not thug-bro enough. And he looked like 5'9", not enough either.

Not to justify him, because if he had a predisposition for this behavior something else might have triggered it anyways.
I put up with that bullshit in that asylum-town for more time than he did and never snapped. So it's both, the individual and the environment.


Agreed, but as I have said in my post just above, resistance to rejection and adaptation are things that are either built during your childhood, early teens, or later whenever at a much higher cost.

I had started school 14 months earlier than the national average (6) so I was smaller and skinnier than most other children. I was bullied very often on my first 2 years of junior high, and every time I would go back and cry to my dad that I had been picked up, my dad would just scold me and make me feel even worse.

With almost 30 years of hindsight, I have to admit he was 100% right. There was nothing wrong with me, nothing that would have prevented me to socialise and elicit respect from those kids. I was inadequate and there was no way my dad could help me getting that self-esteem I needed. I would sometimes complain that I wasn't big enough and couldn't push them back, and he would tell me to use whatever strengths I had.

And I used those strengths. I learned that words and facts can be sharper than those pushes and kicks, and learned to humiliate and hurt people tenfold by ridiculing them on what they feared the most. I surely didn't gain a lot more friends than I already had, but my "enemies" finally left me alone. And in the meantime, I learned one of the biggest lessons ever: people are so much more fragile and fearful than we can imagine and, for how hard it is to push the right buttons to hurt them, it's even harder to avoid hurting them when we love and care for them.
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Postby Falcon » Sun May 25, 2014 5:19 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:So here's his manifesto:

http://jacksonville.com/breaking-news/2 ... o-surfaces

Turns out he's half-Chinese, like I am.

Says he was autistic (they always do) and visited men's rights forums:

http://www.ibtimes.com/elliot-rodger-uc ... ss-1589849


The guy's teenage experiences are strikingly similar to Winston's.
http://www.happierabroad.com/biography.htm
http://www.happierabroad.com/Childhood.htm

- Comfortable, highly sheltered middle-class lives in California
- Parents frequently being concerned and trying to get help
- Being bullied in high school and excluded from cliques
- A lot of inner psychological turmoil and not much adventuring outside
- Few to no friends from childhood into college
- Feeling enraged looking at couples making out in public
etc. etc.


But each took two completely separate paths after their horrible youths. One turned lemon into lemonade and decided to help other people's lives, while the other took away other people's lives.
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Postby publicduende » Sun May 25, 2014 5:28 pm

Falcon wrote:But each took two completely separate paths after their horrible youths. One turned lemon into lemonade and decided to help other people's lives, while the other took away other people's lives.


That's possibly the best thing one could have told to (and about) Winston. A masterpiece :)
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Postby pandabear » Sun May 25, 2014 5:50 pm

His Manifesto is quite well written. Almost up there with Rousseau's confessions.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:42 pm

publicduende wrote:
droid wrote:
publicduende wrote:He was actually good looking and trim

Not enough for these girls believe it or not. Also not thug-bro enough. And he looked like 5'9", not enough either.

Not to justify him, because if he had a predisposition for this behavior something else might have triggered it anyways.
I put up with that bullshit in that asylum-town for more time than he did and never snapped. So it's both, the individual and the environment.


Agreed, but as I have said in my post just above, resistance to rejection and adaptation are things that are either built during your childhood, early teens, or later whenever at a much higher cost.

I had started school 14 months earlier than the national average (6) so I was smaller and skinnier than most other children. I was bullied very often on my first 2 years of junior high, and every time I would go back and cry to my dad that I had been picked up, my dad would just scold me and make me feel even worse.

With almost 30 years of hindsight, I have to admit he was 100% right. There was nothing wrong with me, nothing that would have prevented me to socialise and elicit respect from those kids. I was inadequate and there was no way my dad could help me getting that self-esteem I needed. I would sometimes complain that I wasn't big enough and couldn't push them back, and he would tell me to use whatever strengths I had.

And I used those strengths. I learned that words and facts can be sharper than those pushes and kicks, and learned to humiliate and hurt people tenfold by ridiculing them on what they feared the most. I surely didn't gain a lot more friends than I already had, but my "enemies" finally left me alone. And in the meantime, I learned one of the biggest lessons ever: people are so much more fragile and fearful than we can imagine and, for how hard it is to push the right buttons to hurt them, it's even harder to avoid hurting them when we love and care for them.


Jesus Christ that sounds frightening. I got into fights as a kid, but that sounds unethical even to me.
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Postby nicho12 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:55 pm

djfourmoney wrote:I happen to hear about this earlier today but went to YT a few hours ago and found Tommy's take on the incident.

I was disappointed.

1) He blamed the victim, not the women shot, they are victims too, not the guy on the bike he ran over, but the guy who suffered and finally had enough.

The Batman shooter in Colorado had similar problems, remember?

2) He personalized it by saying he's a victim too of people with mental problems posting videos on YouTube and blames them for not doing anything about his stalker (a BW married to a WM) and also blames YT for not calling attention to this guy's videos on YouTube.

Overall I'd say he's batting ZERO on this topic. His stalker should be reveled and stopped, but what does that have to do with a young man suffering and being shunned by women in general?

p4p is not and was not the answer here. Sorry but you can go on plenty of websites and find depressed men who make regular trips to the Bunny Ranch and other brothels.

They want to be able to find women who will have sex with him and a relationship with him opening his wallet. I find it funny many people critical of p4p pay good money to take women who already know they are not going to have sex with men. They are only interested in free meals...

Tommy also blamed anti-bullying laws, believing the solution was for Elliot to be a victim of violence in school to "toughen him up". This creates all sorts of unintended consequences and I believe is short-sighted.

All this rugged individualism nonsense is what lead directly to this shooting. Those Alpha men that these women revered so, didn't protect them in the end did it?

We are all victims, another tragedy in America and all over how women have been changed since the rise of feminism.


This is just the beginning, these shootings will continue to happen, I even read a comment somewhere on PUAhate.com where some of the guys there wished he had killed more, one guy said that, "damn it, he only killed 7, he should have tripped the victim count"

What pisses me off the most is that the leaders of this society don't seem to address the problem or even want to, they just continue with their normal routine like nothing is wrong, I personally believe a civil war is about to break out in this country
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sun May 25, 2014 7:26 pm

I was just looking around on youtube in regards to this situation, and found this guys videos. He's a new guy, only 24, but he's a good speaker and I'm impressed and happy that more young guys like him are getting it and waking up to truth about American society at such a young age. He needs to clean up his backdrop (lol), but other then that he's good to go.


George Sodini was victimized: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axrjF3-YLe0

Being a man is hell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srpzbH-niUs
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Postby S_Parc » Sun May 25, 2014 7:45 pm

Public, the American male landscape is not a dichotomy between normal shy/introvert vs Ted Kaczynski/Unabomber.

I believe many ppl fall in the middle, including this character. So while it may have been easier, sublimating his anger during childhood, but when the major hormones kicked in during that 14+ era, he probably had no way of processing his feelings. Then realize this, as adults, we don't think much of let's say five year spans, like ages 15 to 20, because both of us are in our 30s or 40s and thus, don't experience seismic shifts anymore. So his father, like a lot of dads, probably saw that the kid, while troubled, wasn't a Kaczynski-like person, developing bombs in his garage during those ages 8-12 & so he probably wasn't all that worried that something major could go wrong.

But I understand something, I'd moved out and became a very outgoing person at 17; I'd really, really focused on breaking all vestiges of being shy/introverted. I started having s*x at 18 (two AW girlfriends, but mediocre persons in the end), got internships, academic honors, and got a full time job at 21. Three years later, I was traveling the world, and went cold turkey on AWs until Mel. If I didn't achieve the aforementioned by a young age, would I have been depressed, angry, and possibly unstable? I think so but my natural gifts, hard work, & some luck, gave me a different destiny. Thus, I can see an alterego version of me, going down the wrong path. And I do believe that having s*x does in fact, allow one to focus on school and vocational work. The body feels like it's in balance.
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Postby publicduende » Sun May 25, 2014 7:58 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:
publicduende wrote:
droid wrote:
publicduende wrote:He was actually good looking and trim

Not enough for these girls believe it or not. Also not thug-bro enough. And he looked like 5'9", not enough either.

Not to justify him, because if he had a predisposition for this behavior something else might have triggered it anyways.
I put up with that bullshit in that asylum-town for more time than he did and never snapped. So it's both, the individual and the environment.


Agreed, but as I have said in my post just above, resistance to rejection and adaptation are things that are either built during your childhood, early teens, or later whenever at a much higher cost.

I had started school 14 months earlier than the national average (6) so I was smaller and skinnier than most other children. I was bullied very often on my first 2 years of junior high, and every time I would go back and cry to my dad that I had been picked up, my dad would just scold me and make me feel even worse.

With almost 30 years of hindsight, I have to admit he was 100% right. There was nothing wrong with me, nothing that would have prevented me to socialise and elicit respect from those kids. I was inadequate and there was no way my dad could help me getting that self-esteem I needed. I would sometimes complain that I wasn't big enough and couldn't push them back, and he would tell me to use whatever strengths I had.

And I used those strengths. I learned that words and facts can be sharper than those pushes and kicks, and learned to humiliate and hurt people tenfold by ridiculing them on what they feared the most. I surely didn't gain a lot more friends than I already had, but my "enemies" finally left me alone. And in the meantime, I learned one of the biggest lessons ever: people are so much more fragile and fearful than we can imagine and, for how hard it is to push the right buttons to hurt them, it's even harder to avoid hurting them when we love and care for them.


Jesus Christ that sounds frightening. I got into fights as a kid, but that sounds unethical even to me.


LOL it's not as bad as you think! I never pushed anyone to the brink of suicide with verbal voodoo. It's only to say that I (reluctantly) followed my dad's advice and found a way to defend myself without having to come back home with a ripper shirt and a purple eye.

Consider that, when I was 12 or 13, there was no Internet and no online forums where my frustrations could be vented and my actions find a sympathy. Like most boys, I was forced to see what was wrong with me and do something about it.
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Postby publicduende » Sun May 25, 2014 8:04 pm

S_Parc wrote:Public, the American male landscape is not a dichotomy between normal shy/introvert vs Ted Kaczynski/Unabomber.

I believe many ppl fall in the middle, including this character. So while it may have been easier, sublimating his anger during childhood, but when the major hormones kicked in during that 14+ era, he probably had no way of processing his feelings. Then realize this, as adults, we don't think much of let's say five year spans, like ages 15 to 20, because both of us are in our 30s or 40s and thus, don't experience seismic shifts anymore. So his father, like a lot of dads, probably saw that the kid, while troubled, wasn't a Kaczynski-like person, developing bombs in his garage during those ages 8-12 & so he probably wasn't all that worried that something major could go wrong.

But I understand something, I'd moved out and became a very outgoing person at 17; I'd really, really focused on breaking all vestiges of being shy/introverted. I started having s*x at 18 (two AW girlfriends, but mediocre persons in the end), got internships, academic honors, and got a full time job at 21. Three years later, I was traveling the world, and went cold turkey on AWs until Mel. If I didn't achieve the aforementioned by a young age, would I have been depressed, angry, and possibly unstable? I think so but my natural gifts, hard work, & some luck, gave me a different destiny. Thus, I can see an alterego version of me, going down the wrong path. And I do believe that having s*x does in fact, allow one to focus on school and vocational work. The body feels like it's in balance.


Good for your, Sgt. I can imagine you're not far off my age (39) and, if I extrapolate from your words well, you chose to invest your energies in actually defusing the ticking time bomb of your introversion, shyness, and fears. Hadn't you done it, or had you been less successful than you were, you might have missed out on a lot of the achievement and excitement your life gave you in the end.
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Postby S_Parc » Sun May 25, 2014 8:34 pm

publicduende wrote:
S_Parc wrote:I'm going with the theory that his dad had dropped the ball on the kid and let nature take its course.

And thus, if he's not going to be socially attractive, then he's far better off at a 5 star Aussie/Kiwi brothel, spending his dad's cash then in going down that road to oblivion.

I would have arranged that for him, if I were his dad. (BTW, I did that for an American virgin at a Brazilian thermas and believe me, the guy was externally grateful. He'd later found a regular Brazilian GF and settled down with her.)

Afterwards, after some actual counseling, if he's not able to loosen up and mingle with others successfully, then there's a real psychological problem there, ala Ted Kaczynski.


This isn't something that a single power shot of P4P sex would have solved. Not to be an armchair psychologist here, but his problems were deeper rooted and came from much earlier in his childhood.

I say his dad should have paid attention to his son's gaping sense social disconnect much earlier. The problem about these upper class families is that it's so easy for them to be self-absorbed by their brilliant careers, social lives and celeb neighbours, and forget the most basic tenets of good parenting: a child needs to feel loved, wanted, and cared for.

That's the only recipe to bring up a socially healthy individual later in life. So much of modern society is toxic, I agree with you. Yet, just like measles, you either go through it early in life and build your antibodies, or you face it later at a much heavier cost.


Found another link of the fella ...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKXV_AhIYuU[/youtube]

So you're telling me that if from the ages of 17 to 22, that he wasn't with high end esc@rts in Brazil, [ Thailand, Costa Rica, etc ], 2-3 times per week, for that entire time period, taking university courses online/distance learning, that he wouldn't be more relaxed and less about to explode?
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Postby green1976 » Sun May 25, 2014 9:11 pm

His parents have failed miserably,especially his dad but that doesn't surprised me coming from somebody who is the good american husband and man type. :roll:

Do you know that Peter Rodger also made a living by shooting nude pictures of women?
How he could have missed the loneliness of his son,how he could have missed that his son was dying off slowly?

Read his manifesto,if we consider most of the writing legit,they have been for a long time signals.
A psychiatrist,a counselor,medications won't help in this case.
They would just put some provisional bandage and in no way it will deal with his long celibacy,lack of sex,lack of female attention.

That's clearly true that Elliot Rodger has some mental issue,i won't absolve him from some form of pathological mental problems but his father have gone all wrong and now for sure it's too late for him.

Also he is very narcissicistic but wait a minute..haven't you witnessed how girls are giving a free pass to be really narcissitic,getting plenty of attention on Facebook and social networking,dressing like sluts,being attention whore,talking loudly,having male starved attention and they get a free pass when they are narcissitic.
Females narcissism is promoted,male narcissism is not so much possible unless you are gay or a douchebag kind of moron.

His dad wasn't concerned that his son got no p***y for so long time?
Does that mean it's quit normal now a young man to stay for so many years alone without sex and relation.

He stated that he is into white blonde chicks and unfortunetly he wanted the upper end of females in the US,those who are one of the most prized catch.
He was from a Holllywood family type so i see how his mind was polluted by this.
He hated that and he loved that too.

I sincerely think this guy could have been saved in some way and this work should have been done very soon..at the beggining of the puberty.
I know saying this sound easy now..but that points how American environment can be a very bad thing and moving abroad is like the ultimate solution to lonely type man.

The Amercian society,as most of us here agree,is quit toxic,pushing over the edge guys like him and not at all helping them to live a quite normal life.
Does this dude would have lived a peaceful life,having children and so on in a more traditionnal society?
Does this dude would have been somebody else if let's say there parents where living in SEA or EE and he would grow up there being in a wealthy family and abroad of toxic American environment?.

How many of those who have been abroad,experiencing another environment where finally women are feminine,not in the competion against men and blaming men for everything,have felt that their life has been saved.

How many of these guys could have commited bad moves out of desesperation staying at home?

How many of you feel that discovering you where not doomed to try to date AW or women you got no chance,agree how the move to others societies have changed your life forever?
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Postby pandabear » Sun May 25, 2014 9:15 pm

Okay, having skimmed through his Manifesto, this guy had more problems than just autism.

He had plenty of money, and, based on his writing, was highly intelligent. He really should have been able to figure out how to hire an escort at the very least.
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Postby The » Sun May 25, 2014 10:55 pm

I'm almost finished reading his manifesto but here are a couple of things that struck out the most for me...... His father not being available much during the young mans formative years particularly when he was entering high school and transaitioning to college....The way how his stepmother booted him out of the house at 18 and his father did nothing about it....in fact he sided with her instead of his own son.....The young man admits that his father betrayed him and is weak and spineless.....

I noticed that whenever he went overseas particularly France, he hated Morrocco, he felt alive, like a burden was lifted and that he was able to have a social life the way a young man is supposed to....However, he cites in his manifesto that he did not want to escape his problems in the US....he wanted to instead face them head on....This is where he went entirely wrong about this....it never crossed his mind that to change your cicumstances sometimes requires you to change your environment....this it seemed he never gave it any thought....

One last quick highlight....he noticed froma very young age how young AW go for obnoxious pricks....literally flock to them like flies on shit.....pretty much the same shit we talk about here.....
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