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Postby Tsar » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:58 pm

MarcosZeitola wrote:
Tsar wrote:I wouldn't throw myself at a girl. I have code of honor but that doesn't mean I am entirely honorable and I'm not a pushover.


In what ways are you not entirely honorable, and how would this affect the way you act around a potential girlfriend\wife? Also isn't it very pressuring for your first girlfriend\love to also be a partner for life? It's a very all-or-nothing scenario it seems.

Why is you remaining a virgin "honorable", when in other aspects you are willing to be less then honorable if needs be?


Ultimately won't affect the way I act if I get the right girl. I want a girl that's mostly a Classic Princess but also the sweet version of the Mafia Princess trope. She shouldn't care how I get us the life we deserve or what business dealings I would be involved in as long as we have a great life and a happily ever after ending. I don't require a girl to be my life partner forever because the door will always be open if she wants to leave. All she would need to do is say the words. If she ever cheated then I would divorce her regardless of memories, time together, or how much I liked being with her.

I would want to support her and she shouldn't work unless its beside me. I wouldn't force her to remain a partner for life but I would make leaving very financially painful. She could leave but she would know that it has a severe consequence. Adulterous behaviors have the same severe consequence. There is only one king in chess but any pawn could become a new queen :wink:

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Remaining a virgin has nothing to do with being honorable. Remaining a virgin is about pride and losing my virginity to an attractive virgin girl is about preserving my honor and pride. There is a difference between a person's honor and a person acting honorably.

An example would be the mafia lord. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDon

I am all-in because compromise isn't an option. It's not only about love, it's also about deriving pride and happiness from having an ideal girl.
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Postby Cornfed » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:03 am

Tsar wrote:She shouldn't care how I get us the life we deserve or what business dealings I would be involved in as long as we have a great life and a happily ever after ending.

Don't worry, she won't. Here at least your desires are consistent with female nature in pretty much any society.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:42 am

Hey, I like that Tsar! Well said, really. I think I'll have to subsume some of that knowledge. Mafia princess...yeah, that makes sense. :)
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Postby Jackal » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:30 am

Tsar wrote:Ultimately won't affect the way I act if I get the right girl. I want a girl that's mostly a Classic Princess but also the sweet version of the Mafia Princess trope. She shouldn't care how I get us the life we deserve or what business dealings I would be involved in as long as we have a great life and a happily ever after ending.

...An example would be the mafia lord. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDon

Dude, I won't interfere with most of your fantasies, but I strongly encourage you to drop these fantasies of yours about being a master crimelord/crooked businessman!

You are a quiet, shy guy from New England who writes poems on blogs for god sakes! lol You are not a tough guy from the mean streets of the Bronx. If you start messing around with hardened criminals in either the US or abroad, you will probably end up getting seriously injured or killed by them.
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Postby S_Parc » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:22 am

Jackal wrote:
Tsar wrote:Ultimately won't affect the way I act if I get the right girl. I want a girl that's mostly a Classic Princess but also the sweet version of the Mafia Princess trope. She shouldn't care how I get us the life we deserve or what business dealings I would be involved in as long as we have a great life and a happily ever after ending.

...An example would be the mafia lord. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDon

Dude, I won't interfere with most of your fantasies, but I strongly encourage you to drop these fantasies of yours about being a master crimelord/crooked businessman!

You are a quiet, shy guy from New England who writes poems on blogs for god sakes! lol You are not a tough guy from the mean streets of the Bronx. If you start messing around with hardened criminals in either the US or abroad, you will probably end up getting seriously injured or killed by them.


First of all, the Marlon Brando of 'The Godfather' is the American/Sicilian mafia of yesteryear, with a bunch of codes of conduct and a general sense of reverence for the public order. In fact, even regular citizens *respected those guys* and simply let 'em go there own way, w/o making fanfare. Those were the dying days of my dad's generation where although you may inadvertently work with someone in organized crime, esp if your business is in *construction* or related fields, you didn't cross anyone's path and stayed on your side of the line while respecting the made men of the time period. Bystanders were seldom injured by mob strikes.

Today's up and coming Russian Mafia are some of the most notorious thugs out there, murdering entire families, out of spite and vendetta. These are some seriously hardened criminals, ex-KGB a/o Red Army types.

As for New England, is Tsar based out in northern Maine? Because he seems to be living in some Stephen King type of world of fantasy, disconnected from the rest of the region, where many ppl are somewhat practical and down to earth.
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Postby publicduende » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:35 am

Tsar wrote:I am all-in because compromise isn't an option. It's not only about love, it's also about deriving pride and happiness from having an ideal girl.


If you can't compromise, ever, then your ideal girl will always remain, well, ideal and never materialise. If you don't pack some serious life experience under your skin you risk ending up like Winston in Russia, getting some ego-grooming attention (but very little sex) at the price of being scammed left right and center.

Also, what's this fascination with a "Mafia princess"? LOL you must have played Grand Theft Auto a little bit too long :) Do you really think those hot babes who stick to gangsters, as they do in Colombia or in Mexico with the cartel leaders or their sons, do so out of love? There might be an element of respect for a guy who is (at least in appearance) tough and charismatic, but they ultimately are in to for the money and the lifestyle. You're about the last person in my book who will succeed in making a living out of borderline illegal activities, and for all your honor and pride, would you really want to do that anyways?
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Postby MarcosZeitola » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:43 am

Tsar wrote:Ultimately won't affect the way I act if I get the right girl. I want a girl that's mostly a Classic Princess but also the sweet version of the Mafia Princess trope. She shouldn't care how I get us the life we deserve or what business dealings I would be involved in as long as we have a great life and a happily ever after ending. I don't require a girl to be my life partner forever because the door will always be open if she wants to leave. All she would need to do is say the words. If she ever cheated then I would divorce her regardless of memories, time together, or how much I liked being with her.

I would want to support her and she shouldn't work unless its beside me. I wouldn't force her to remain a partner for life but I would make leaving very financially painful. She could leave but she would know that it has a severe consequence. Adulterous behaviors have the same severe consequence. There is only one king in chess but any pawn could become a new queen :wink:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... essClassic
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... iaPrincess

Remaining a virgin has nothing to do with being honorable. Remaining a virgin is about pride and losing my virginity to an attractive virgin girl is about preserving my honor and pride. There is a difference between a person's honor and a person acting honorably.

An example would be the mafia lord. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDon

I am all-in because compromise isn't an option. It's not only about love, it's also about deriving pride and happiness from having an ideal girl.


People's personality types aren't like TV Tropes, my friend. They are just a collection of cliches from various movies and TV-series. None of them adequately describe the level of complexity that one can find in a human being. Your ideal girl may be "lawful good" most of the time then go "chaotic evil" when she's on the rag. :lol:

That's not how the world works.

As far as virginity goes? Losing it isn't all that glamorous as its made up to be. My first time was with a lady in her thirties, when I was a teenager. She was definitely not a virgin but she knew what she was doing, that's for sure! :wink: The experience was largely positive, although it wasn't all that its hyped up to be, I thought to myself. Still it felt like somewhat of a "rite of passage". I just had sex! However, I will tell you a little secret... it didn't last all that long. I think most guys don't, the first time. Foreplay, kissing, fondling, all that took quite a while. The actual deed itself was probably over in a few minutes. Chances are she's had better, especially since it was a first time. What did I know about pleasing a woman? I did what came natural to me, but I sure as hell wasn't much of a porn star, haha.

Anyway, long story short... I had sex with several girls and young women prior to meeting my wife. I was by no means a Don Juan but I managed a few flings, none of which with girls I'd consider "relationship material". Yes, most of them were probably sluts. Who cares? The world needs sluts. Young men need sluts. How else can a man gain experience?

When my wife and I had our first time together, I knew the ropes. I had the stamina, the experience, the confidence. I could last long and make her feel good. My first impression on her in bed was as good as my first impression outside the bed. My first time was me, after a few minutes, rolling on my back, thinking "was this it?". I didn't want her first time to be like that. That would have made a shitty impression, don't you think?

My idea of masculinity is that as a man, you ought to be able to take charge both in the bedroom as well as outside it. How can you do that when you don't know what the hell you are doing? And no, porn doesn't count. Having a lively imagination (something you clearly have!) doesn't count either. What counts is experience. There's nothing honorable about only having sex with virgins. Having sex with a slut does not make you lose honor... it simply makes you into a man, and allows you to do so with a woman who at least knows what she's doing.

I am not a big fan of the West, my friend, but as a man? As a man, an honest man, I will be the first to say: "Thank God for sluts!" :wink: Just make sure you don't marry one and you are safe. Sluts are for gaining experience. They are the easy girls you get with to learn a thing or two. Then you marry a good, loyal girl and live with her. But my advice to you is: accept the fact that there are easy girls out there, who are not relationship material but very suitable for expanding your experience and confidence. It can be an empowering feeling. The system may be corrupt and rotten, Tsar, but if you play your cards right you can still have some fun while you work on achieving the financial security you require for your perfect life with Ms. Virgin Princess.
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Postby S_Parc » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:16 pm

Marcos/Public, if you recall my gateway list: ages 13, 17, 24, 29+ ... the first gateway, age 13, is the point where the line between fantasy and reality gets solidified. Thus, Mafia princess (or any princess from any movie genre) is a first gateway issue.

You fellas are so hyperfocused on the 2nd and 3rd gateways that you're missing the obvious one. So while life isn't a linear procession, some of it is necessary to reach the other gates.

The OP is not ready for a trip outside of upstate Maine. If anything, he should cross the border at New Brunswick or Quebec and see a high end esc@rt in some Canadian town/city. The Mounties will protect him, as the RMCP are good at their jobs. Then, he'll realize that as you'd said, it's not a big deal, meaning the act of b*inking. Otherwise, this sort of fella is ripe for a South American kidnapping/extortion or an eastern European gang attack.
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Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

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Postby eurobrat » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:40 pm

S_Parc wrote: The OP is not ready for a trip outside of upstate Maine. If anything, he should cross the border at New Brunswick or Quebec and see a high end esc@rt in some Canadian town/city. The Mounties will protect him, as the RMCP are good at their jobs. Then, he'll realize that as you'd said, it's not a big deal, meaning the act of b*inking. Otherwise, this sort of fella is ripe for a South American kidnapping/extortion or an eastern European gang attack.


You should invite him with you the next time you and your lesbo friend venture over the border, eeehhhh? :lol:
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Postby Jackal » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:27 pm

S_Parc wrote:The OP is not ready for a trip outside of upstate Maine. If anything, he should cross the border at New Brunswick or Quebec and see a high end esc@rt in some Canadian town/city. The Mounties will protect him, as the RMCP are good at their jobs. Then, he'll realize that as you'd said, it's not a big deal, meaning the act of b*inking. Otherwise, this sort of fella is ripe for a South American kidnapping/extortion or an eastern European gang attack.

I totally agree with you S_Parc. Whether he bonks escorts there or not, he would gain some useful travel experience in Quebec, at the very least.

@Tsar: Have you ever been out of the US before?

Tsar wrote:She shouldn't care how I get us the life we deserve or what business dealings I would be involved in as long as we have a great life and a happily ever after ending.

Another thing I want to point out to you, Tsar, is that your fantasy of keeping a shady business life and your family life completely separate is unlikely to happen for another two reasons:
1) The police in that country could find out about your criminal activities and kick down your door and arrest you and push you around in front of your no-longer-a-virgin, princess-like wife, and she would find out about your crimes that way.
or
2) Some of the criminals you cheated out of money eventually come looking for you and kill you, your no-longer-a-virgin princess-like wife, and any children which you may have.

In short, it's not a wise choice of careers...
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Postby S_Parc » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:05 pm

Jackal wrote:
Tsar wrote:She shouldn't care how I get us the life we deserve or what business dealings I would be involved in as long as we have a great life and a happily ever after ending.

Another thing I want to point out to you, Tsar, is that your fantasy of keeping a shady business life and your family life completely separate is unlikely to happen for another two reasons:
1) The police in that country could find out about your criminal activities and kick down your door and arrest you and push you around in front of your no-longer-a-virgin, princess-like wife, and she would find out about your crimes that way.
or
2) Some of the criminals you cheated out of money eventually come looking for you and kill you, your no-longer-a-virgin princess-like wife, and any children which you may have.

In short, it's not a wise choice of careers...


First of all, becoming a 'wise guy' is not like applying to be a cook at a diner. In other words, if you can make a steak & eggs really fast, you're hired!

These kids have been doing petty theft (or small deals), regularly, until they get a 'job' from let's say a Joe Pesci type, you know, the insider who's trying to get 'made'.

At the same time, they know how to befriend an enforcer, generally by splitting profits. You'll need some muscle, if you want to survive long term.

Seriously, it takes a lot for a quiet, shy kid, to star in his own "GoodFellas" movie.

And unlike the American Mafia, with their code of benevolence [ only whack the problem & any witnesses ], the eastern European ones kill the entire immediate family.
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Postby SilverEnergy » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:26 pm

lmao at the people who are still replying to this thread.
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Postby MarcosZeitola » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:30 pm

SilverEnergy wrote:lmao at the people who are still replying to this thread.


Well excuse us for having this little thing called empathy. What should we be talking about then, black Adam and Eve and their incest family tree or some other Biblical retarded nonsense like we did yesterday? :roll:

Tsar is feeling lonely and we try and get the guy to get off his ass, work, and make sure he won't be lonely anymore. I say that's a pretty nice thing to do, and I've seen plenty worse topics, sadly enough. What sort of advice would you give the boy?
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Postby S_Parc » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:32 pm

MarcosZeitola wrote:
SilverEnergy wrote:lmao at the people who are still replying to this thread.


Well excuse us for having this little thing called empathy. What should we be talking about then, black Adam and Eve and their incest family tree or some other Biblical retarded nonsense like we did yesterday? :roll:

Tsar is feeling lonely and we try and get the guy to get off his a**, work, and make sure he won't be lonely anymore. I say that's a pretty nice thing to do, and I've seen plenty worse topics, sadly enough. What sort of advice would you give the boy?


Actually, this thread has been a journey onto itself. Starting from loneliness/isolation, followed by a lot of bantering about change/no change, and now, the Russian mob and so forth.
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Postby SilverEnergy » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:33 pm

You can't make anybody do anything that they don't want to do.

I did my part many months ago trying to help and give advice and it did no good.
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