As I've very recently been reading Roosh's material, I've come to realize how similar Winston's and his views are. Very few blogs in the manosphere talk about going abroad as a solution. As far as I know, only Winston and Roosh do. Am I right?
I've read how some HA members bash him a lot, even Winston refers to him as an asshole. I don't really get why, well, other than his writing about how to bang women in different countries, ok, so he comes across as a bit sleazy in that regard, ...Ill agree with that part, big deal, Winston sort of did a similar thing with all his photos with women. They're players not haters. What am I missing about why any of us would dislike Roosh? Roosh doesn't really sound bitter or hateful like some bloggers like Steve Hoca, no marriage.com, and boycott Western women would. The reason? Well, Roosh and Winston keep the emotions out and don't sound like they are raving or bitter. That's the strength of both sites. Like Winston, his arguments are very sound and factual. I've yet to read anything that makes me think he is hateful or a misogynist. And his article that gained him so much notoriety titled "a reason to date a girl with a eating disorder" was a bit distasteful perhaps, but certainly wasn't insulting (or meant to be insulting) towards women with eating disorders. He was trying to make a point and chose a politically incorrect way of doing so. Like Winston and I, Roosh mainly promotes how foreign women are nicer and more feminine, and how US culture is falling apart. Those are the core tenants of both their writings.
The question is, and the purpose of my post, ......why do so many happier abroaders bash him? If you bash Roosh, you are bashing happier abroad and its concepts. Below are excerpts from 3 different interviews with Roosh. I've BOLDED Roosh's interview answers (or the interviewers comments about what Roosh believes) that align 100% with Happier Abroad so you can see what I mean.
http://www.theawl.com/2014/03/how-shoul ... e-internet
His plan, he told me, was "to get as far away from Western culture and influence as possible to live in a place where tradition is more valued (I'm sure feminists are pleased at my self-imposed exile). I just don't want to meet promiscuous women are are addicted to their smartphones."
By email, I asked him how he became what he is. He's written that women made him this way ("You made it very clear that being nice, chivalrous, and patient was not the way to have sex with you"), that they led him astray ("You made me forget about marriage").
Roosh's obsession is Western culture, and he believes that he is helping his readers navigate it. He believes Western culture is irreparably damaged. He has written much in praise of Ukraineâ€”his final travel guide, published in January, 2013, is devoted to the country. I asked what he thinks of the current situation there. "From a purely selfish perspective, I would not want Ukraine to join the European Union," he wrote. "I have seen with my own eyes how Western culture has corrupted women in terms of making them fat, short-haired, tattooed, masculine, entitled, and obsessed with soulless office careers. I would prefer Ukraine stay closer to more traditional Russia, where women know how to be feminine, than to embrace the more degenerate culture we see in the West."
Despite that, it was not until our video chat that I realized how deeply horrified Roosh is by what he thinks Western culture has become.
He seemed astonished by the level of hate he gets on the Internet.
"All we do is post what we want and like, and people threaten to take our website offline, they click the report button on Facebook. People write to me and say 'I hope that you die.' How well-adjusted are you as a human being if you read something on the Internet and you get so angry that you wish harm on someone?" he asked.
Wishing death on someone is massively not cool. When I mention this to my friends, even the most vehemently anti-Roosh agree with me.
People also called his fatherâ€”"they actually called up my dad and said that I was a bad man. That wouldn't occur to me ever, that if I disagree with someone's views I would call their mum," he said.
This, to Roosh, is another symptom of the sickness of Western culture. "People are so incapable now of handling opinion that goes against what they think is true that they freak out," he said. "They are emotionally incapable of handling things. This is what the Western world has becomeâ€”they are basically adults who have, who have the coping mechanism of kids, and at the same time these same kids, they've been told by the culture they're â€˜empoweredâ€™ and â€˜independentâ€™, and so on, so it's really strange if you think, these people, they go to work, they own a home, they can pay their bills, clothe themselves, yet they read something on the Internet and go off and phone someone's dad! Explain that. Why can't people handle things?"Then he goes on to say: "You know what, the feminist movement is is just one big excuse for women not to even try. Just don't, don't try. Just don't even worry about anything, look like a pig and you're great. It's great because you're fat and ugly, lazy girls."
Most people don't have what it takes to be a good woman, a good man," he said. "They don't want to work, they don't want to have to put in an effort. So here you have this ideology saying 'you don't have to work, don't go on a diet, don't try, don't educate yourself on the truth of the world, just be as you are, go on the Internet all day and hate these things.'"
You know, we have two opposing ideologies. One says 'do whatever you want' and the other says 'work really hard, that's life'â€”99% of people are going to go for the ideology which says they don't have to try, they don't have to work, and they'll hate on the Internet, get involved in a new exciting war, go on, leave your comment, down vote that, report that. I say 'Hey, you have to work. Go to the gym. You have to spend hundreds of hours to learn a language, you have to spend years to learn how to approach women, you have to work very hard, you know, who I am is not from a pill I took, it's from years of writing and effort and no one wants to do that anymore, everyone's so lazy, you know, no one wants to work. They're happy to work at a job when a boss tells them, and they know how to go to a storeâ€”they're very good at that, and that's all, that's all they're good at."
Have you seen the movie The Matrix? You're familiar with the analogy," Roosh said: "the red pill, the blue pill. And if you look at that, that's like what some of us actually think is going on. Like what we were talking about the Internetâ€¦. the government makes sure people have their work, it makes sure they have their entertainment, that's the version of this blue pill world, it's very good to distract people, you know, to keep them occupied. Just keep them on the Internet where they can't cause any real harmâ€¦ and just let them get angry at Facebook at this guy called Roosh who made a bad comment, and let's keep them on the Internet, because when people are on the Internet it's not like they're going to go march on the White House to say how the middle class is being destroyed."
"You can't fight the culture," he said. "The wave is up to here and I mean, you can stand up to that wave but it's going to crash on you and you're going to be pulled into the ocean, so the best thing that I can do is give men a surfboard so they can ride the waveâ€”at least they won't drown and die, so I give men a way to navigate the world that we find ourselves in, and better or worse we have to deal with this."
The next day he was going to go round the embassies and apply for visas. He wants to move farther east, to a Russian-speaking country. It depends on the visa. Somewhere he imagines there may be a satisfactory unspoiled country, where he'll find that the women are thin and feminine, have long hair and can cook, and will make a man a drink. "There's no perfect formula," he said, "but women become more traditional and feminine the farther east you go as you get away from western culture. Their bodies are thinner, their hair is longer, they are more likely to wear high heels and dresses, they are more pleasant to talk to, they are less addicted to their smartphones, they don't 'play the field' all day on OKCupid and Tinder, and they are more eager to get into long-term relationships than to adopt the party lifestyle where they sleep with a new guy every month."
Source- http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... -left-men/
Joseph F. Cotto: Over the last several years, many have come to believe that chivalry is no longer a practical social norm. Do you agree with this idea?
Roosh V: Chivalry was an exchange. Men would be chivalrous while women would look presentable, cook wholesome meals, and take care of the home. This obviously has broken down, but women still believe men should hold their end of the bargain while they abstain. Itâ€™s 2013 and they advise men like me to open doors, be polite, and pay for dates, yet when you tell them to act like a lady, they denounce you as a â€œsexistâ€ or â€œmisogynist.â€
The irony is that women absolutely do not have sex with chivalrous men anymore; they stick them straight in a black hole known as the friend zone. Until women reward chivalrous men with sex and relationships, it will continue to be be phased out of society.
Cotto: Today, divorce and infidelity rates are disturbingly high. Insofar as men are concerned, why do you think that this is the case?
Roosh: Divorce in America is a great deal for women. She gets half a manâ€™s assets and monthly payments that can be quite substantial if children are involved. The more money the man has, the more she gets paid. The ultimate humiliation for husbands is to pay alimony for a woman who then takes care of her â€œbad boyâ€ lover in his former bed. If you take away incentive for a woman to remain a wife or to be loyal, she wonâ€™t.
Cotto: It is often said that â€œNice guys finish lastâ€. Generally speaking, what are your views about this idea?
Roosh: That phrase presupposes that nice guys are even in the game, but these days they are resigned to being spectators. If you are a nice guy, the best hope you have is marrying a spinster in her 30s who already had more than a couple dozen sexual partners when she was â€œdiscoveringâ€ her sexuality during her 20â€™s, and sheâ€™ll still put you below her office career.
You get the used car with high maintenance costs while the jerks who treat her poorly get to drive the new car off the lot, enjoying the new car smell.
Cotto: Often, men develop midlife crises due to serious self esteem issues. Do you believe that this is inevitable, or more of a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Roosh: When your masculinity is being shamed into obsolescence by the feminist elite, when women are repeatedly passing on you for bad boys, and when no one seems to give a damn that youâ€™ve had a respectable career where youâ€™ve contributed meaningfully to society in some way, youâ€™d have self-esteem issues too. When youâ€™ve done everything that women told you in order to land a wonderful wife and mother, but youâ€™re alone and stuck on Match.com with nothing but 50 year old divorcees giving you winks, I think you would wonder why you worked so hard in life and if it was all worth it.
Cotto: Feminism is a tremendously controversial subject. From your standpoint, what legacy has it left for men?
Roosh: Weaker men. The whole point of feminism is to absolve women or all responsibility for their actions while shaming or criminalizing masculinity. Women act more masculine in their pursuit of power while men are becoming unsure of which behaviors they can safely exhibit, forcing them to take on more feminine traits. In the end youâ€™ll have an androgynous society where both sexes are unhappy because youâ€™ve taken them far away from natural behavior that has existed among humans for hundreds of thousands of years.
Cotto: During the years ahead, do you expect political correctness to find a welcome audience among younger generations of men?
Roosh: The best brainwashing program for politically correct speech is higher education. This is where you have a manâ€™s undivided attention for four years. You can stuff his brain with whatever nonsense you want, but since fewer men are now going to universities, I think you will begin to see men growing up without this brainwashing and then questioning a lot of PC ideas.
Cotto: Since you became a professional writer about dating, what has been the greatest lesson you learned?
Roosh: American women are the worst in the world. Iâ€™m not using hyperbole; Iâ€™ve been to over 25 countries and have dated in most of them. Itâ€™s the only country where I have consistently sour experiences with uppity women who seem to swallow all the male hatred that has been taught to them in college and by the media. Dating an American woman is like going to battle, and I feel sorry for all the men that are still stuck with them.
Cotto: If you could give men a single bit of advice for the life well lived, what would it be?
Roosh: [b]Get out of America. Make your money, start some type of internet business that frees your mobility, and hop an airplane to a destination where English is not the primary language. At least when it comes to women and comfort, the grass is indeed greener. Iâ€™ve lived almost four years outside of America, and I have no desire to go back[/b].
Cotto: Now that our discussion is at its end, many readers are probably wondering how you came to be such a noted voice about menâ€™s issues. What inspired you to pursue such a career?
Roosh: It was an accident. I originally writing guys how to find happiness through sex and casual relationships, but soon it became clear that the more American girls you sleep with, the less happy you become. My search abroad for feminine women made it easier to write comparisons on how bad American guys have it.
Source http://www.metro.us/newyork/news/intern ... can-women/
Iâ€™ve also been consistently writing. A lot of people write for a short time and give up. Iâ€™ve had a blog in one form or another since I graduated college in 2001. When you consistently put out content, itâ€™s just a matter of time before you build an audience.
When did you really start gaining ground with your work?
When I started to travel to Europe â€“ I would say about three years ago. I started to write books on how to gain girls in certain countries like Iceland, Poland and Colombia. Whenever I released a book, it would go viral in that country. I wrote the book on Iceland and the entire country erupted in anger and rage in the media and I started to get noticed this way. Just the fact that I was on TV in Iceland and Romania impressed people in the U.S., so itâ€™s kind of that social proof effect â€“ if heâ€™s on TV somewhere, he must be big â€“ so I guess that started to get me noticed by other people. Itâ€™s hard to say exactly why, but it would probably be the media attention I got in Europe that started to translate into media attention back in the U.S.A.
Whatâ€™s the advice you give to guys that is successful and gets the most positive feedback?
Just working. A lot of people these days want the good in life without having to put in the work. I tell them you have to approach, keep trying and persist. A lot of the posts I write where I get a good reaction from guys are when stories teach to never to give up and to keep on going. Doing this is not easy. Itâ€™s hard for a guy to go from socially awkward to approaching a pretty girl that he sees and the only way to get there besides knowing lines or techniques or tactics is putting in the work to get there and get comfortable and take social risks. I donâ€™t see myself as a smart guy. I just donâ€™t stop. This isnâ€™t a get rich quick thing: Itâ€™s a journey youâ€™re going to do for years and years.
Do you find you still fail?
As a human, you tend to adapt to whatever success you do reach. If you become a millionaire by winning the lottery, for a few months youâ€™re really happy and then you adjust and after a few months your happiness is no higher than it was before. When it comes to women, itâ€™s the same thing. You get used to it. As a guy gets girls, with women his standard goes way up. A girl I could sleep with three years ago, I wouldnâ€™t even try with now. The higher quality girls take way more â€“ exponentially more work. I still get rejected the same amount as I did when I was 25. The girls Iâ€™m going for are a lot higher quality now. I canâ€™t say Iâ€™m sitting on my laurels. You get tired of sleeping with the same kind of girl. The nature of man is to accomplish more and more. I can never feel like I made it or that Iâ€™m done.
By â€œhigher qualityâ€ are you just referring to physical appearance?
Mostly that, yeah. The first thing a man notices about a girl is how she looks and I use the 1 to 10 scale. We define a girl who is cute as a 6 or 7 but to get girls who are higher it takes a different set of skills. And thatâ€™s what Iâ€™m talking about. I donâ€™t have a system to rate the humor or personality for a girl. And while thatâ€™s important, itâ€™s never as important as how a girl looks. In the US, a girl thinks their wit, humor and personality can make up for an appearance that is lazy or massively overweight.
Do you believe in love?
I think it exists, but I think love is like happiness. Itâ€™s an emotion that can come and go. I donâ€™t think itâ€™s a permanent goal that you want and can lock up in a bottle. I think man should be open to it when it does come but itâ€™s not a goal you can really dig for, like earning a certain amount of cash or sleeping with a certain amount of women. Itâ€™s not something you can plan a strategy for or purposely try to guide.
Have you been in love?
Yes, I wrote about her in one of my earlier books. I went to Rio for one month and I met a girl there, but I had to leave. Love, when it happens, itâ€™s great, but itâ€™s not something you can really walk out the door right now and hope it will happen with the next person you meet. Itâ€™s kind of a garnish on life and then you get your main meal.
What is the main meal then?
Sex and money. And by money, I mean having enough income to have the lifestyle that you want, whether itâ€™s going out to the club, traveling or going to a coffee shop everyday. Two things I try to tell guys is once you have women and the skills to get them and the income, the other things are not hard to get. Those two goals are the most important.
You write a lot of inflammatory things online but talking to you, youâ€™re not nearly as inflammatory over the phone and youâ€™re pretty calm. Part of me thinks that you might purposely be writing things to upset people to get attention. Is that true?
I do think there has to be some of that whenever you write for the Internet. People have so many options, so why are they going to pick you when some other person is writing about the same kind of topic? And one you can do is strike them emotionally. Hit a button here, here or there, so I may exaggerate a viewpoint when I do write but I do make sure that even when I do use different language, when I write it, it still has to be based on a truth that I believe. While maybe women in the U.S. are fat, when I write on the blog, Iâ€™m not going to say it in a nice way that hey, girls in the U.S. are fat and maybe they should lose some weight. Iâ€™m going to write it in a way that get people engaged in the content. I do write in a way that angers a lot of people but itâ€™s based on something I truly believe.
Are you against fat men as well?
I already teach men to work out and stay fit. We put on a lot of articles on the site on how to eat right and exercise and I think a lot of the men I meet from my site are fit. Thereâ€™s no point in learning how to meet girls when you canâ€™t even work on yourself. I already do that. I already shame guys into not being overweight. It makes it harder to be attractive to women. But this message was more out to the girls. Iâ€™m making the world a better place for girls who like men so I think they can do the world a favor by watching their weight and becoming more thin.
Right now, youâ€™re one of the only individuals to be named a misogynist by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What do you think about that label?
I think itâ€™s silly. I think weâ€™re getting to the point in the U.S. where you canâ€™t criticize women for anything. You canâ€™t say they do anything bad, weak in character, that their appearance isnâ€™t good and Iâ€™m one of the guys who is quick to judge women for their faults so of course theyâ€™re going to come after me, but to say I hate women is the most absurd thing. I spent a bulk of my time developing connections and relationships with them to see what they want in men so I can be that guy and engage in intimacy with them. If I give you a list of the girls Iâ€™ve gone out with in the past couple of years and you tell them, â€˜well, did you know this man was put on a list, that heâ€™s the biggest hater of women in the U.S.A.,â€™ they would think youâ€™re lying because it wouldnâ€™t make any sense.
Let me read you a quote from your website. â€œI donâ€™t understand why women email me for advice. Why would I help the opposing team?â€ Do you really think of the world as divided into two teams, men and women?
In the U.S.A., thatâ€™s where weâ€™re headed toward. I think women are watching out for their own and theyâ€™re not concerned about the things men are going through. I think I have to watch out for men first. If men that read me are getting the advice that they need then thatâ€™s the best that I can do. Itâ€™s not my responsibility or job to make sure everyone is happy or gets value out of what I do. I do think from the side of women, from the side of men, thereâ€™s a big divide where theyâ€™re hating each other and women are angry at men because they donâ€™t commit or give them what they want and men are angry at women for letting themselves go for exaggerating the definition of rape. Theyâ€™re scared now that theyâ€™ll end up with a false rape accusation or theyâ€™re scared of getting divorced and losing their money. If this is the case, I know what side Iâ€™m on. Iâ€™m going to help the guy.
What is your definition of rape?
Before I say it, Iâ€™ll say in the past five years everyone in the U.S. has suddenly forgotten or lost the ability to know what sex is. Weâ€™re losing all instinct to know how sex should actually happen. It seemed to be going well for thousands of years. Rape is the violent taking of women. Itâ€™s not when the woman has had three beers and the guy has had three beers. Itâ€™s not when a girl walks into a guyâ€™s apartment and the next morning the women says, â€˜Oh, I shouldnâ€™t have done that, I feel guilty. I feel like a slut.â€™ Girls always use this excuse that they had a couple of drinks and â€˜Oh, I donâ€™t remember anything.â€™ A girl, because she feels bad, can go back to a consensual sex act and say it was rape. Women are using the rape card to get out of feelings of shame and guilt and what is a man going to do? Hire a lawyer and hope for the best. In the past, the cases of rape you saw on the news were violent that included blood and tears and now a woman walks from a guyâ€™s apartment in the morning and decides she got raped.
Have you ever been accused of rape?
Of course not. No. But if you read the Internet, you would think Iâ€™m the biggest rapist, that I go from country to country raping these poor girls. If Iâ€™m the most famous rapist in the world, you would think at some point I would be charged and some girl on the Internet would come out and say it.
In the Maryville rape case, the alleged victim said that these guys gave her two big glasses of a clear alcohol that left her incapacitated and unable to get up or speak. What about in that situation?
Okay. If a girl is unconscious, if she canâ€™t respond and touch back and kiss back and is basically blacked out and a man has sex with her anyway then yes, it is definitely rape. The problem is now weâ€™re going to need a video of it because the girl can say, â€˜Yeah, I was blacked out,â€™ but a witness comes over and says she was into it, so if she was truly blacked out and incapacitated then that was rape and thatâ€™s kind of obvious. Sleeping with an unconscious human being â€“ I havenâ€™t lived in a time that wasnâ€™t rape. But a girl who was kissing you, grabbing you, directing the action â€“ thatâ€™s not rape, ever. I donâ€™t care how many drinks sheâ€™s actually had if she is into it, responding and having fun, that is not rape. We canâ€™t even find out if false accusations are a problem and you may think itâ€™s not a problem, but until we get a study done by a university to find out we wonâ€™t know and no money will ever be spent because then we will be seen as hating women so we canâ€™t even find out if this is a problem. There was an article in Slate last week by a woman saying girls shouldnâ€™t drink â€¦
It was by Emily Yoffe.
She said girls, if youâ€™re in college and you donâ€™t want to get raped, donâ€™t get drunk. Her advice wasnâ€™t as blunt as that, she was more nice about it, but she basically said to watch out for your own safety. Donâ€™t drink so much that you donâ€™t know whatâ€™s going on. The attack on her was huge. Every blog came out to say sheâ€™s a rape apologist. Every feminist on Facebook and social media was just on this woman. We canâ€™t even have a conversation now. They have silenced us completely. You canâ€™t suggest women may have to take responsibility if they are maybe exaggerating their claims of rape. This is censorship.
Do you think American women are the worst in the world?
American women and Danish women, for me, rank at the bottom. Americans donâ€™t care about how they look. Their attitude is just masculine and they put their focus on their jobs before anything else. To try and date a woman from the U.S. after Iâ€™ve had experiences in South America and Eastern Europe is tough. I think when youâ€™re young, you want to think everyone is equal and everyoneâ€™s the same. But the second you broaden your scope and date girls in Brazil and Colombia and Poland youâ€™re like, â€˜Oh, this girl is nice.â€™ When you bring a girl home and sleep with her and go in the bathroom and come out, sheâ€™s cleaning up your bedroom and tidying up. In the U.S.A., that never happens to me. Here, the girls will cook and even if I want to cook, theyâ€™re doing the plates, theyâ€™re cleaning the dishes and theyâ€™re nice. They ask my opinion on things. They donâ€™t complain or whine. Most of my time is spent teaching guys how to get out of that, but the trend in the U.S. is women getting fatter and angrier and theyâ€™re hating men for not giving them happiness. There are a lot of countries in the world where the women are nice and friendly and they donâ€™t try to put you down, but most importantly they look good. They donâ€™t wear flip flips, ever. They wear heels.
Whatâ€™s the deal with Denmark?
In Denmark, they really push that gender equality to the logical extreme. Denmark is how the U.S. is going to be in about five or 10 years. The men act like girls and dress like girls. And the girls act like guys. Thereâ€™s no masculinity or femininity because that is shamed. The women act burly and tough and â€˜you need to find me attractive because Iâ€™m smartâ€™ instead of having charm and looking good. In Denmark, you cannot say anything that suggests men and women are biologically different or they will get angry. And in the U.S., the last time I was there and even making a comment that I like feminine women would anger people. Why should a man want to live in a country where he canâ€™t even state the preferences he wants in the opposite
will treat you as a distraction to her more important job, girlsâ€™ nights out, and social networking validation happy time. Men have become an utterly replaceable and expendable commodity in a girlâ€™s life. Her interest in a man is not unlike her interest in a new television show or Apple product â€¦ .
Whatever natural connection that once existed between the sexes has now been severed. Neither sex needs each other so we dedicate ourselves to corporations, entertainment, and base pleasures instead, and this is a great tragedy that most people believe is a sign of progress, a cause for celebration.
And I especially found this quote below VERY interesting because it sounds exactly like I've been talking over the years here about obesity in America. When I found this, I was shocked as it could have been me who wrote this:.
What is Fat Shaming Week?
We have a private forum where all the writers for Return of Kings share ideas for possible topics and we were saying we should have a theme week for an issue that is important. We came up with other things but we chose fat shaming. Any guy in the U.S.A, they maybe wonâ€™t say it aloud, but they do not like being surrounded by women who are fat. Thatâ€™s an important thing. Men like women who are thin. We decided it would be a good thing to say on our site: Fat women are unhealthy and unattractive and a society with thin women would make men happy. Even saying that, even saying a fact â€“ I donâ€™t know if you think fat women are beautiful â€“ but I think most men donâ€™t and for us, to men, itâ€™s a fact that women who are 30 pounds overweight donâ€™t look as good but stating this kind of fact is something that made a lot of people angry. But I want to say that itâ€™s getting to the point in the U.S. where you canâ€™t say that anymore. You canâ€™t say someone is ugly. You have to go along and say yeah fat people arenâ€™t ugly, big is in, donâ€™t judge people, but why canâ€™t we? Women judge men all the time. You canâ€™t go a week in the media without reading â€œmen need to man up and they need to stop hooking up, this and thisâ€ but the second us men complain about something a girl does we are misogynists and women haters and so on.