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Postby Johnny1975 » August 5th, 2014, 10:11 am

Here's a thought. What if a man married another man (straight, and dedicated bachelor), kept it to himself, and then if he splits up with the woman and she tries to take half his stuff, he says wait, I'm already married, would that work?
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Postby Ghost » August 5th, 2014, 11:24 am

One option is to deceive a woman about your intentions. In other words, starting a family, telling her marriage is going to happen. But don't marry her and live with her instead. Will likely be difficult in most countries. And she will resent it. But if it comes to that or failing to procreate...well, only one of those options leads to you being a genetic dead end.
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Postby Johnny1975 » August 5th, 2014, 3:17 pm

Ghost, why not just be honest. If a woman is ok with not getting married, at least that goes a long way to proving that she's not after anything.
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Postby Bao3niang » August 5th, 2014, 9:54 pm

I still believe in marriage because it is God's design for man and woman but modern people have a distorted view of marriage.

1. They think a ceremony is necessary

2. The biggest problem is they do not take marriage seriously because they see it as part of their life equation or algorithm, not something that will really determine them as individuals
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Re: Marriage, Cohabitating, Kids

Postby Teal Lantern » August 5th, 2014, 10:57 pm

Johnny1975 wrote:I've heard some people say don't get married, don't cohabitate, and don't have kids, in order to not get screwed.

I don't want to get screwed.

But I do want kids, and I do want to cohabitate, sort of. What I mean is either cohabitate or have some kind of living arrangement where we're in close proximity to each other ...

You each own/rent an apartment in the same building, each of you own one half of the same duplex, etc.

Johnny1975 wrote:What I'm most concerned about is having to share assets. What's mine is mine.

Not once you add kids to the equation.

Johnny1975 wrote:The kind of solution that I'm looking for is something that creates a situation where it would be impossible for a court to make me share or give away anything.

Not to rain on your parade but know what is "impossible" today can become very possible down the line with a stroke of the legislative pen -- especially if it means more of your money for govt programs or "in the best interests of the children".
If the taxman can see it, he'll eventually go after it.


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Postby MrMan » August 6th, 2014, 8:00 am

Bao3niang wrote:I still believe in marriage because it is God's design for man and woman but modern people have a distorted view of marriage.

1. They think a ceremony is necessary

2. The biggest problem is they do not take marriage seriously because they see it as part of their life equation or algorithm, not something that will really determine them as individuals



If a woman does not hold marriage in high regard, then why would she be committed to the idea of staying with a man for life? If she isn't committed, she can break up at any time and take the kids (with the help of the courts in this country.)
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Postby Cornfed » August 6th, 2014, 8:20 am

I pointed out in another thread that another solution to the problem would be to rely on illicit income and welfare. That way you have discretion over how much money you share with the female and there is nothing for her to steal through the system. Then it wouldn't really matter whether you were married or not, unless perhaps you lived in an "imputed" income state.
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Postby Cornfed » August 6th, 2014, 8:21 am

MrMan wrote:If a woman does not hold marriage in high regard, then why would she be committed to the idea of staying with a man for life?

Why would she anyway?
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Postby Johnny1975 » August 6th, 2014, 9:50 am

Cornfed wrote:I pointed out in another thread that another solution to the problem would be to rely on illicit income and welfare. That way you have discretion over how much money you share with the female and there is nothing for her to steal through the system. Then it wouldn't really matter whether you were married or not, unless perhaps you lived in an "imputed" income state.


This is what I'm talking about. I'm not too keen on what you specifically suggest but it's along the lines of the kind of thing I'm looking for.

Is there a way to make your income from a job or an online business...not officially your own income?

Surely there must be some ways to make yourself untouchable, regardless of the laws.

And if there's no way, then is there at least an offer that can be made to the woman? What I mean is an offer she can't refuse. The kind of offer that if she were able to take half my shit, I would be able to effectively get it back. The only thing that comes to mind is a visit from someone advising her that it's in her best interest if she just gives it back, but that's not my style.
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Postby MrMan » August 6th, 2014, 12:24 pm

Cornfed wrote:
MrMan wrote:If a woman does not hold marriage in high regard, then why would she be committed to the idea of staying with a man for life?

Why would she anyway?


Good ethics, morals, even social expectations, and the fear of God.


It worked in generations gone by in our culture and still works in many cultures today.
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Postby Cornfed » August 6th, 2014, 12:40 pm

MrMan wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
MrMan wrote:If a woman does not hold marriage in high regard, then why would she be committed to the idea of staying with a man for life?

Why would she anyway?


Good ethics, morals, even social expectations, and the fear of God.

:lol: If females? You mangina fantisists crack me up.

It worked in generations gone by in our culture and still works in many cultures today.

They behave when they are punished for misbehaving.
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Postby Johnny1975 » August 6th, 2014, 8:25 pm

Can we get back to my thing please.
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Postby Johnny1975 » August 6th, 2014, 9:32 pm

Ok here's an idea.

If I bequeath my entire estate (land, property, everything I own, savings, investments, business income) to our first born, and then change it as time goes by so that it's split up between them and any subsequent kids, would that make it untouchable?
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Postby The » August 7th, 2014, 2:19 am

Johnny1975 wrote:Ok here's an idea.

If I bequeath my entire estate (land, property, everything I own, savings, investments, business income) to our first born, and then change it as time goes by so that it's split up between them and any subsequent kids, would that make it untouchable?


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Re: Marriage, Cohabitating, Kids

Postby MrMan » August 7th, 2014, 3:06 am

Johnny1975 wrote:The kind of solution that I'm looking for is something that creates a situation where it would be impossible for a court to make me share or give away anything.

Any good suggestions?


If you have enough money to justify this, maybe you could do a trust. If you died, you could put your money in a trust that distributes a certain amount every month to the heirs. I don't know why you couldn't create a trust in your own name before you marry or have any community property. You could set it up as a monthly annuity that gives money to you only. I don't know if that would protect you or not. Judges would probably count that as income for child support. I don't know if it would offer you any protection from alimony. If it was premarital, maybe you could have protection from community assets.

It may be safer legally and financially to spend your life in a country that doesn't have a misandric family law system. The Philippines doesn't have divorce. Maybe some of the Arab countries have more male-favoring laws. I don't know. If you can dodge the bullets to live there, it may work out well for you. :) In some of these countries, unless you pair up with a prostitute or really low-class woman, you may not be able to get a woman without marrying her. But you could marry someone younger or not too aggressive and really lay the ground rules that you are in charge first, maintain an alpha frame throughout the marriage. If you are good to her, that might work out.
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