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By bad people i'd define them as :
1) People you wouldn't trust around your friends or family.
2) They would likely get you involved in some serious criminal activity or rip you off.
3) Harm you as a person directly either by violence or serious discrimination against your race/religion.
I did a little infiltration around the net and explored a lot of manosphere sites including some up and coming ones out there. I won't name them but after poring through quite a bit of material and posts i've come to the conclusion that most manosphere guys are pretty awful overall. There are a few good people out there who just want to travel and better themselves but there's a whole lot of stormfront level racism and outright sociopath behavior too.
I certainly don't agree with the feminist mainstream media or the "blue pill" aspects of U.S. culture but some of the ideological alternatives proposed by the manosphere is pretty bad too.
Yeah, I agree, but the 'movement' does attract a lot of misogynists, crazies, PUA scum and race supremacists (Black, White, Yellow...it doesn't matter) for some reason.
The worst manosphere sites are Heartsie (filled with White supremacists), MGTOW forums (too many men with defeatist attitudes on there) and ROK (too many angry and negative people on that site--worse than HA).
I wonder if you did explore also the feminist sites... What do you think about them?
Most of them are plainly hateful against all men, including old men, sick men, even hateful against young boys.
The manosphere is mostly a kind of dark place from what I can ascertain. There is a lot of bitterness towards women.
I don't know all the names of the guy son the manosphere, but there is one blogger who writes all this harsh stuff, stuff about rape, and things like that, and describes it as 'satire' to make it okay. If you engage with posters on some of the forums, they like to call people idiots, manginas, etc. I've seen MGTOWs act like that. They probably pick it up off the culture of the blogs. Either that, or they couldn't get women because they are so crass and then adopt MGTOW to comfort themselves for not getting women like the fox in the parable of the sour grapes.
There are also sites dedicated to manipulating women into bed. I don't want these guys around my family, especially not my daughters.
I've read Dalrock some. His own writings aren't dark and crass, but some of his posters' are.
I do not know what is 'heartsie' - maybe you mean this one?
I also do not know what means ROK.
About MGTOW, what is wrong with that?
It should be understandable that most of these websites are used frequently by men, who were facing a situation in the past where they were badly treated by women. Some of these men are totally broken, mentally and financially.
'Woman' does not mean always 'girlfriend', it means any contact with a female, mother, sisters, daughter, female student, or female teacher, female employer, female employee, female co-worker etc. etc.
As a non-white man in USA you might play the race-card anytime, claiming your race as a reason for troubles with females.
However what should white men, who were badly treated by females in their past, really do? Where else can they talk and share their problems with somebody without being worried not to receive scornful and insulting misandrist comments by feminists in return?
Of course many MGTOW-men made already up their mind and decided to remain single - for always and reject any contact with any female out of their personal feeling of mistrust. They are often not in a financial situation to create a connection with a female again due to payments related to their divorce.
Defeatist attitudes? Are you serious?
This is called 'shaming language' but with me and others of the MGTOW scenery, it does not work out.
It is often better to see the reality of life. To start a relationship under similar conditions again and again and fail again and again despite of bad experiences of the past does not make much sense.
At least not for me and some others. I don't care if I am accused of 'defeatist attitudes'. No question the legal situation in Western countries is clearly against men.
No question about that the chance to find a long term relationship with a Western woman for a man like myself is minimal.
If you suffer defeat, it is better to accept defeat as a reality of your life - BUT as a next step you have to get rid of any feelings of hate - and to choose another way of life. I did that - by moving to Far East and starting a new life with entire new people - and I see no reason why I should be ashamed of that.
MGTOW is a good medicine for men who are 'down'. I myself remember well, what women did to me as far as I can remember back as a small child, maybe 4 or 5 years old up to about when I was 25 years old.
I was 'down' for a considerable part of my life, but not anymore.
It depends HOW you talk to frequent posters on a MGTOW forum. Most posters entering MGTOW forums claiming they do not agree with MGTOW-ideology, are often using insulting terms even with their first introduction comment.
I remember a feminist, addressing me in our MGTOW-Forum with her first sentence as follows:
'just to let you know what an idiot you are'...'
If you call for example men like myself, who are married with an Asian woman because they admit they failed to find a Western woman, a 'pedophile pervert', (Asian women are smaller than white women) the Asian wife a 'mail order bride full of drugs sold by her parents', fake&loser, misogynistic assholes etc. etc. - how can you be surprised, if these MGTOW members are calling you a mangina and idiot in return?
Unfortunately, exactly those men known to be highly active against MGTOW are the best proof that their own arguments are rather useless - I give you some examples.
Hugo Schwyzer had to leave his college in USA where he was teaching gender-studies, after admitting that he tried to kill himself and his girlfriend and that he was sleeping around with his female students, he is now in a loony bin, full with drugs and facing DUI charges because he was causing a serious traffic accident.
http://amptoons.com/blog/2014/08/06/rob ... om-people/
Robert Hayes, a pro feminist blogger and strong opponent of the manosphere is now in jail for robbing a bank, he was totally out of money and a drug abuser.
http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2010/08 ... yle-payne/
Kyle Payne, a feminist blogger and MGTOW-hater is now in jail for sexual harassment and child porn.
These people want to teach me how I arrange my family life? Is this a joke, right?
If MTGOW means going abroad,understanding that some women in others countries are worth and not to be bashed lilke the typical AW,ok for me.
If MTGOW means staying in the US,choosing the celibacy life as a less worst option,keep using the boycott women road implying all women in this world are a lost cause..that's not my MTGOW.
I was before going to SEA some kind of the second type MTGOW but i saw quit clearly that i was the only one who was destroying my life.
Yeah, that one.
Return of Kings: http://www.returnofkings.com/
I support men who are MGTOW--I just don't completely accept the notion that men should just give up on women, altogether. Having said that, I can understand why men turn MGTOW; I have no disrespect to the MGTOW movement at all--if that's what you misinterpreted from me, Yohan; I just dislike going on MGTOW forums and hearing nothing but complaints on several of their forums, that's all.
Remove PUA and you have given a pretty accurate description of HA.
That's what MGTOW is. Instead of using it as a tool or tactic while still in the U.S., they adopt it as permanent. TPTB said, "Do not have women and do not reproduce." And they said, "OK."
You are on a Manosphere Type Website now. So if you had logic you would see according to your own stupidity you are a "BAD" person and everyone here is also a Bad person.
The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by Men's Rights Activism, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.
However, if you had two brain cells to rub together you would realize i'm not speaking in absolutes and specifically mentioned there are a few good manosphere people out there amongst the sea of trash.
The people who run the site and the biggest proponents of the manosphere are first and foremost entrepeneurs. Most of the meat and potatoes of the manosphere is user generated content. So it's not necessarily specific sites but the broader consumer base who follow, post, and "practice" some of the ideology.