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The Myth of AIDS

Postby hammanta » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:23 pm

I watched a documentary a year or two ago (and again just recently) called House of Numbers which discussed how there seems to be no definitive proof that HIV causes AIDS and that AIDS numbers are constantly faked and elevated to promote CDC and WHO agendas. The documentary in my opinion is one of the best I've seen and this is coming from a guy who usually discredits government conspiracy agendas.

The director actually set up interviews and went around the world talking with professionals/experts in the AIDS field, people with AIDS, researchers etc. His evidence is quite shocking IMO. There is definitely a confusion or dare I say conspiracy involving this terrible disease, especially in the way AIDS tests are administered and conducted as well as the drugs used to combat them.

The film was highly discredited after its release by the CDC and other so called experts, mainly because they said the director misquoted and took many of the experts answers out of context. They also said the documentary was "AIDS Denialist" propaganda. In response the director posted the full length interviews, unedited on his site, Houseofnumbers.org if I recall right. There were also several expert interviews that took more of a "denialist" approach that seemed to shock me. These weren't just simple journalists but well known physicians, researchers, and former NGO workers. They even interviewed the Dr. Luc Montagnier, the man credited for isolating the HIV virus, and his interview was the most shocking of all. He never signed the petition against the film from my understanding as well.

Anyways, I am curious if anyone else has seen this documentary or knows about the subject and if they could chime in on what they think. If anyone is interested in seeing the film I think Youtube is still streaming the full version.
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Postby Cornfed » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:48 pm

I haven't seen the documentary, but it has been obvious for decades that the whole HIV AIDS thing is a complete hoax.
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Postby Ghost » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:28 am

What was the conclusion from the film? That HIV and AIDS do not exist? That what they are is misrepresented? That HIV exists but doesn't have any relation to AIDS? What did they come up with?
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Postby newlifeinphilippines » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:41 am

HIV is very real. And its spreading in cebu as we speak.
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Postby Cornfed » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:54 am

newlifeinphilippines wrote:HIV is very real. And its spreading in cebu as we speak.

How do you know? Has it been isolated?
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Postby SilverEnergy » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:07 am

HIV is real, it's just that there's NEVER been a heterosexual HIV epidemic like the government says.

HIV is still mostly concentrated among needle drug abusers, homosexuals, bisexuals, hemophiliacs and the people who sleep with these groups.

There's a good book on the subject titled "The Myth of Heterosexual Aids" by Michael Fumento.
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Postby Cornfed » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:37 am

SilverEnergy wrote:HIV is real, it's just that there's NEVER been a heterosexual HIV epidemic like the government says.

HIV is still mostly concentrated among needle drug abusers, homosexuals, bisexuals, hemophiliacs and the people who sleep with these groups.

Part of the reason for that is that there has never been an objective standard for testing HIV positive. A person who admitted to belonging to one of those groups who showed a particular test result could be declared positive, whereas a random person who showed an identical test result could be declared negative.
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Postby hammanta » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:10 am

Cornfed wrote:
SilverEnergy wrote:HIV is real, it's just that there's NEVER been a heterosexual HIV epidemic like the government says.

HIV is still mostly concentrated among needle drug abusers, homosexuals, bisexuals, hemophiliacs and the people who sleep with these groups.

Part of the reason for that is that there has never been an objective standard for testing HIV positive. A person who admitted to belonging to one of those groups who showed a particular test result could be declared positive, whereas a random person who showed an identical test result could be declared negative.


Cornfed is correct. The HIV test has a original basis of who is high risk. If your lifestyle is considered high risk and you have a lower immune system (which can be caused by a number of things) than you can test positive.

That is a major problem with fighting AIDS in Africa. AIDS technically is an immune deficiency disease. The point they make in the documentary is that when taken into context of a developing country, famine, horrid living conditions, unclean water, and unreliable HIV tests cause immune deficiency. AIDS symptoms by definition include a low T-Cell count mixed with weightloss and one or two other common symptoms. An inexperienced and underfunded African doctor can simply look at a malnourished village and determine it has been ravaged by AIDS without really testing properly.

As far as a gay/ drug abuser disease, this is true as well but that that does not necessarily mean the victim has HIV. A big gay drug back in the 70's and 80's was poppers, which have been linked to a certain rare lung sarcoma that occurred at the same time as the AIDS epidemic in America. The gay revolution spread these diseases around like a plague.

According to several of the researchers, the HIV virus has never fully been proven to be the cause of AIDS. Their evidence comes from correlation and not causation.

The chance of a heterosexual male getting HIV from a one time sexual encounter is near 1:10,000. It's near 1:200 or so for the receiving gay male and even higher with multiple exposures, STD's, and lower immune systems from drug abuse.
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Postby hammanta » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:26 am

Ghost wrote:What was the conclusion from the film? That HIV and AIDS do not exist? That what they are is misrepresented? That HIV exists but doesn't have any relation to AIDS? What did they come up with?


I am paraphrasing of course because I am not a medical professional and some of the terminology was difficult to fully comprehend but I will attempt to summarize:

Pretty much they acknowledged that AIDS does exist but can be caused by a number of known diseases (TB as an example) and can be escalated by poor tests and horrid living conditions. According to some of the researchers (denialists lets say) HIV has never been isolated in a lab and has never been proven to cause AIDS.

HIV is said to be Government created in response to the CDC losing funding in the middle half of the century. Pretty much they needed a new disease to cause public uproar. In reality the disease would most likely be wiped out in a matter of decades in the USA if it wasn't for the poor tests and diseases caused by cronic drug use and homosexual behavior. It is quite difficult to transmit the virus through heterosexual sex.

Even Luc Montagnier, the doctor originally given credit for isolating the virus was quoted saying that we can be exposed to HIV multiple times and never feel any effect. He also acknowledged yes when asked by the director if a poor African was given a boost to his immune system through increased nutrition could the African essentially remain healthy. He aslo mentioned that what he just said is frowned upon in the AIDS research community.

Peter Duesberg, Nobal prize winning researcher in virology noted that if billions of dollars were given to research trying to disprove the cause of AIDS, then you would have scientists jumping out of the woodworks trying to disprove it. But Pharm companies fund the research and with the cost of AIDS medicine, they make a good profit.
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Postby newlifeinphilippines » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:50 am

Cornfed wrote:
newlifeinphilippines wrote:HIV is very real. And its spreading in cebu as we speak.

How do you know? Has it been isolated?


I asked the Doctor there but he said mostly gays though.


However my bargirl claimed she knew a GRO with hiv still working the doctor gave her a pass. doubt its true but ive also heard through the grapevine korean hoes in california have HIV and still working.
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Postby Cornfed » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:57 am

newlifeinphilippines wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
newlifeinphilippines wrote:HIV is very real. And its spreading in cebu as we speak.

How do you know? Has it been isolated?


I asked the Doctor there but he said mostly gays though.


However my bargirl claimed she knew a GRO with hiv still working the doctor gave her a pass. doubt its true but ive also heard through the grapevine korean hoes in california have HIV and still working.

No, I meant has the HIV virus been isolated? If not, how is it possible to know whether HIV exists or anyone has it?
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Postby fightforlove » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:38 pm

SilverEnergy wrote:HIV is real, it's just that there's NEVER been a heterosexual HIV epidemic like the government says.

HIV is still mostly concentrated among needle drug abusers, homosexuals, bisexuals, hemophiliacs and the people who sleep with these groups.

There's a good book on the subject titled "The Myth of Heterosexual Aids" by Michael Fumento.


Yap. HIV-AIDS is a blood-borne disease, making your chances of getting or transmitting it via PIV sex astronomical. IV druggies and especially gay men are by far the most likely people to get AIDS. Not all AIDS cases in the United States are gays and druggies, though. For example, if you have anal sex with a female heroine addict, you are risking a chance of getting AIDS. Return of Kings had a good article breaking down the demographics of AIDS cases in the United States:

http://www.returnofkings.com/3882/the-truth-about-aids#!

What I'm curious about is why AIDS is so much more prevalent in Africa and India. In Africa, I'm sure it's a combination of factors, lack of access to good health care, downlow black men, a fetish for heterosexual anal sex, etc.
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Postby hammanta » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:17 pm

fightforlove wrote:
SilverEnergy wrote:HIV is real, it's just that there's NEVER been a heterosexual HIV epidemic like the government says.

HIV is still mostly concentrated among needle drug abusers, homosexuals, bisexuals, hemophiliacs and the people who sleep with these groups.

There's a good book on the subject titled "The Myth of Heterosexual Aids" by Michael Fumento.


Yap. HIV-AIDS is a blood-borne disease, making your chances of getting or transmitting it via PIV sex astronomical. IV druggies and especially gay men are by far the most likely people to get AIDS. Not all AIDS cases in the United States are gays and druggies, though. For example, if you have anal sex with a female heroine addict, you are risking a chance of getting AIDS. Return of Kings had a good article breaking down the demographics of AIDS cases in the United States:

http://www.returnofkings.com/3882/the-truth-about-aids#!

What I'm curious about is why AIDS is so much more prevalent in Africa and India. In Africa, I'm sure it's a combination of factors, lack of access to good health care, downlow black men, a fetish for heterosexual anal sex, etc.


As mentioned AIDS, or rather HIV symptoms can be created through bad nutrition, other diseases, unclean water, poor healthcare, and terrible testing as well as government agendas.

Think about the reliability or lack thereof of the tests in the USA. Now put that in contrast to poverty stricken Africa. By definition HIV varies by country to country. A man could be HIV positive by one test in one country and HIV negative in another. TB and Genital herpes along with other diseases lower the immune system of the host, which mirrors the symptoms of AIDS. Think about the amount of funding and profit generated by continuing the disease. 40 million people worldwide are said to suffer from AIDS.
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