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Postby OutWest » September 7th, 2014, 5:48 pm

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eurobrat wrote:Worlds most advanced and dynamic economy and you can't find any thing just to be able to save up a little money?


You're still stuck with this kind of American Century delusion. The US are going down the drain faster and deeper than any other Western country, and doing it in such a vacuous and arrogant way they are quickly becoming the country everybody loves to hate. All world economies that still have some hopes of growth have learned to avoid dealing with the US and focus on dealing with one another instead.

Besides the point, I think Tsar is right on this one. The US as such isn't fit for a young and unskilled millennial like him. That is precisely why he would be better off recognising that
1) he has nothing to gain staying where he is and waiting for a decent job offer to materialise
2) he has absolutely nothing to lose going abroad looking for some adventure: he could make beds on a cruise ship, or wait tables in Minsk, or migrate to Scandinavia were the local government offers free vocational courses. Anything, really, anything is better than remaining in his current state of idling misery.


I wonder what part of the USA Tsar lives in? The US economy is growing, though slowly, while it seems most of Western Europe enjoys near zero growth. One of the factors in the US stock market buoyancy seems to be European funds looking for growth.

http://www.moneyobserver.com/news/14-08-2014/europe-faces-fresh-recession-gdp-dips

I am in Oregon for a few more weeks yet- all the young people I know here who have good work skills are working, and not at minimum wage.(Which is already a bit higher in Oregon)
I wonder is Tsar is stuck in some crappy part of the USA? It sounds like it.
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Postby eurobrat » September 7th, 2014, 5:56 pm

OutWest wrote:
publicduende wrote:
eurobrat wrote:Worlds most advanced and dynamic economy and you can't find any thing just to be able to save up a little money?


You're still stuck with this kind of American Century delusion. The US are going down the drain faster and deeper than any other Western country, and doing it in such a vacuous and arrogant way they are quickly becoming the country everybody loves to hate. All world economies that still have some hopes of growth have learned to avoid dealing with the US and focus on dealing with one another instead.

Besides the point, I think Tsar is right on this one. The US as such isn't fit for a young and unskilled millennial like him. That is precisely why he would be better off recognising that
1) he has nothing to gain staying where he is and waiting for a decent job offer to materialise
2) he has absolutely nothing to lose going abroad looking for some adventure: he could make beds on a cruise ship, or wait tables in Minsk, or migrate to Scandinavia were the local government offers free vocational courses. Anything, really, anything is better than remaining in his current state of idling misery.


I wonder what part of the USA Tsar lives in? The US economy is growing, though slowly, while it seems most of Western Europe enjoys near zero growth. One of the factors in the US stock market buoyancy seems to be European funds looking for growth.
I am in Oregon for a few more weeks yet- all the young people I know here who have good work skills are working, and not at minimum wage.(Which is already a bit higher in Oregon)
I wonder is Tsar is stuck in some crappy part of the USA? It sounds like it.


This is true he might have to move to make himself more competitive and in a state with lower unemployment, although i fear he is afraid to leave home and he's holding himself back.

And don't listen to Public's anti-US jargon, theres still plenty of money to be made in that country. I know a few Italians working in the US who say it's like heaven compared to the jobs they would get in Italy.

The US is growing slowly at a steady 1.9% meanwhile Italy is shrinking just as fast at -1.9%. Now you can all see why I left Italy, and even with Germanys minuscule growth I still feel economically more sound here.
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Postby publicduende » September 7th, 2014, 6:01 pm

eurobrat wrote:This is happening everyone in the Western World, not just the US. It's definitely crowded everywhere but theres tons of stupid niches that can provide a decent living these days and even be able to stack cash away.


"Stupid niches" aren't a replacement for "decent jobs with pension and healthcare schemes, reasonable career advancements, 10/15 (25/30 in Euroland) paid holidays a year". What we have been witnessing in the past decade or so is advanced carpentry to put the final nails in the coffin of the labour market as we have known it for millennia. The elite doesn't need us, full stop. If a company can triple its market cap by buying smaller companies and fire a half of their employees, or get tens of millions to billions of zero interest dollars from the Fed and use it buy back their own stocks, why do they need "us"? A ten billion dollar company 25 years ago was a historical leviathan like IBM, who for all its ups and down made the history of information techology for almost a century, employing thousands of talented engineers and scientists and giving them a chance to work for what they dreamt for.

A ten billion company now is anything that is bought by Apple or Facebook, regardless of their pool of intellectual capital, patents, good employees, visionary R&D engineers, viable products that make a difference on people's lives. WhatsApp was founded by a fresh Ukrainian immigrant and had what - 25, 50 employees whose achievement was an utterly mediocre mobile app that doesn't even do VoIP calling (like Vyber or Skype do). Yeah OK, it has a built a self-populating database of a few million user mobile numbers, so what? By that measure, the Yellow Pages should have been the most valuable company in the world for 150 years and be valued trillions :)

Reality is, when only the vacuum is left, anything goes to fill the hole and give an economy a delusional perception of value and social utility.


eurobrat wrote:Used to be huh? What the hell man you just had to throw a jab in there didn't you? And what the hell do you mean lost compass? I may have lost my sanity a bit but I'm still very resourceful and intelligent.


You main resource has been complaining about stuff other people have and you're not getting anymore because you're simply sitting down on your laurels and expect Goddess Europa to throw freebies at you, Rhonda Byrne style. Yes you may be resourceful and intelligent, but since you move to these shores you have somehow convinced yourself that you're leaps and bounds above the competition and deserve a lot more despite doing less.


eurobrat wrote:Maybe Tsar just needs to get laid for an ego boost, theres no better elixir of youth and self confidence booster than having a nice tight v****a grappling your cock.


Maybe Tsar needs an ego boost, but you surely need a reality check soon. And are you sure you don't need the same sex therapy too?
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Postby publicduende » September 7th, 2014, 6:05 pm

eurobrat wrote:And don't listen to Public's anti-US jargon, theres still plenty of money to be made in that country. I know a few Italians working in the US who say it's like heaven compared to the jobs they would get in Italy.

The US is growing slowly at a steady 1.9% meanwhile Italy is shrinking just as fast at -1.9%. Now you can all see why I left Italy, and even with Germanys minuscule growth I still feel economically more sound here.


It might well be ahead of Italy due to its residual infrastructure, but the edifice is collapsing at breakneck speed, too. The US is posting growth thanks to seasonal jobs and Wall Street magick. No friggin way the economy is getting better at the rate of 1.9 per year. If that were the case, Main Street would have noticed and had a real reason to cheer up.

As a European let me guarantee you: given your life/work situation, you have gained next to nothing swapping Italy for Germany. Cheaper beer and P4P, maybe? That's about it.
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Postby OutWest » September 7th, 2014, 6:26 pm

publicduende wrote:
eurobrat wrote:And don't listen to Public's anti-US jargon, theres still plenty of money to be made in that country. I know a few Italians working in the US who say it's like heaven compared to the jobs they would get in Italy.

The US is growing slowly at a steady 1.9% meanwhile Italy is shrinking just as fast at -1.9%. Now you can all see why I left Italy, and even with Germanys minuscule growth I still feel economically more sound here.


It might well be ahead of Italy due to its residual infrastructure, but the edifice is collapsing at breakneck speed, too. The US is posting growth thanks to seasonal jobs and Wall Street magick. No friggin way the economy is getting better at the rate of 1.9 per year. If that were the case, Main Street would have noticed and had a real reason to cheer up.

As a European let me guarantee you: given your life/work situation, you have gained next to nothing swapping Italy for Germany. Cheaper beer and P4P, maybe? That's about it.


I don't know what your take is on main street USA, but I do not see the gloom and doom that you see. I see measured optimism and careful growth. Comments like...it's not booming, but we are growing. In Portland, the real estate market suffers from lack of supply. I am involved with a small start-up involving the West Coast of the USA and a couple of Chinese companies. We will have difficulty expanding fast enough to meet demand. I belong to a number of small business related organizations, and in the Western US as least, the tone is nothing like the doom and gloom you are talking about.
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Postby publicduende » September 7th, 2014, 6:40 pm

OutWest wrote:
publicduende wrote:
eurobrat wrote:And don't listen to Public's anti-US jargon, theres still plenty of money to be made in that country. I know a few Italians working in the US who say it's like heaven compared to the jobs they would get in Italy.

The US is growing slowly at a steady 1.9% meanwhile Italy is shrinking just as fast at -1.9%. Now you can all see why I left Italy, and even with Germanys minuscule growth I still feel economically more sound here.


It might well be ahead of Italy due to its residual infrastructure, but the edifice is collapsing at breakneck speed, too. The US is posting growth thanks to seasonal jobs and Wall Street magick. No friggin way the economy is getting better at the rate of 1.9 per year. If that were the case, Main Street would have noticed and had a real reason to cheer up.

As a European let me guarantee you: given your life/work situation, you have gained next to nothing swapping Italy for Germany. Cheaper beer and P4P, maybe? That's about it.


I don't know what your take is on main street USA, but I do not see the gloom and doom that you see. I see measured optimism and careful growth. Comments like...it's not booming, but we are growing. In Portland, the real estate market suffers from lack of supply. I am involved with a small start-up involving the West Coast of the USA and a couple of Chinese companies. We will have difficulty expanding fast enough to meet demand. I belong to a number of small business related organizations, and in the Western US as least, the tone is nothing like the doom and gloom you are talking about.


I am sure there are patches of green all around the US and I am glad you are involved in one of them. Not be cheesy, but I would be surprised to know a man of your wisdom stuck in the middle of a pond. Trouble is, from what I can read outside a pompously cheerful mainstream press, the employment picture isn't rosy overall. Much of the optimism fuelled by CEOs, financial analysts and commentators seem to have more to do with the growing financialisation of business models and assets (stock buyback, M&A, aggressive cost cutting via outsourcing and competive sourcing), rather than economic fundamentals, e.g. IP and market share growth.

What are your companies involved in? I am curious! I know some of the few remaining buoyant sectors are those related to medical technologies and services, oil & gas projects, and obviously high-end luxury.
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Postby eurobrat » September 7th, 2014, 6:42 pm

publicduende wrote:This is happening everyone in the Western World, not just the US. It's definitely crowded everywhere but theres tons of stupid niches that can provide a decent living these days and even be able to stack cash away.

"Stupid niches" aren't a replacement for "decent jobs with pension and healthcare schemes, reasonable career advancements, 10/15 (25/30 in Euroland) paid holidays a year". What we have been witnessing in the past decade or so is advanced carpentry to put the final nails in the coffin of the labour market as we have known it for millennia. The elite doesn't need us, full stop. If a company can triple its market cap by buying smaller companies and fire a half of their employees, or get tens of millions to billions of zero interest dollars from the Fed and use it buy back their own stocks, why do they need "us"? A ten billion dollar company 25 years ago was a historical leviathan like IBM, who for all its ups and down made the history of information techology for almost a century, employing thousands of talented engineers and scientists and giving them a chance to work for what they dreamt for.

A ten billion company now is anything that is bought by Apple or Facebook, regardless of their pool of intellectual capital, patents, good employees, visionary R&D engineers, viable products that make a difference on people's lives. WhatsApp was founded by a fresh Ukrainian immigrant and had what - 25, 50 employees whose achievement was an utterly mediocre mobile app that doesn't even do VoIP calling (like Vyber or Skype do). Yeah OK, it has a built a self-populating database of a few million user mobile numbers, so what? By that measure, the Yellow Pages should have been the most valuable company in the world for 150 years and be valued trillions :)

Reality is, when only the vacuum is left, anything goes to fill the hole and give an economy a delusional perception of value and social utility.


I agree, the game has changed everywhere but that doesn't mean that it still can't be won or manipulated to benefit your life. I disagree, they always will need us to consume their goods and use the services they sell. There's also the advantages of modern times that I happen to enjoy like the technology and ease of travel.

publicduende wrote:You main resource has been complaining about stuff other people have and you're not getting anymore because you're simply sitting down on your laurels and expect Goddess Europa to throw freebies at you, Rhonda Byrne style. Yes you may be resourceful and intelligent, but since you move to these shores you have somehow convinced yourself that you're leaps and bounds above the competition and deserve a lot more despite doing less.


More dribble and insults from you. You have no idea how hard I have worked over here without a break. Just like you I don't get paid days off, so you should know how it is and I'm not even making near the amount of money you are. I have not expected anything from anyone and especially not a "goddess europa" at my whim. You've seen my taste in women and even you said a few of the girls I picked out are nothing special, which to me that's fine. L'immondizia di un uomo e' il tesoro di un altro, il mio amico.

publicduende wrote:Maybe Tsar needs an ego boost, but you surely need a reality check soon. And are you sure you don't need the same sex therapy too?


And why do I need a reality check? I'm just sitting here living my life peacefully, not bugging anyone and here to give useful advice when people need it. Why do you wish harm upon others?
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Postby publicduende » September 7th, 2014, 6:58 pm

eurobrat wrote:More dribble and insults from you. You have no idea how hard I have worked over here without a break. Just like you I don't get paid days off, so you should know how it is and I'm not even making near the amount of money you are. I have not expected anything from anyone and especially not a "goddess europa" at my whim. You've seen my taste in women and even you said a few of the girls I picked out are nothing special, which to me that's fine. L'immondizia di un uomo e' il tesoro di un altro, il mio amico.


You're working every day without a break but, by your own admission, you're not working as hard as you would in a cubicle job. Perhaps you could forget the mirage of a work from home job and step up your game to earn both better money and the benefit of at least a couple of weeks of paid holidays a year. Again, whatever pain you're getting is mostly a result of your choices. Just choose something else and you'll see different result, simple as that.

If I ever was ironic towards your choice of women, it's always been to hint at the fact that you could get better, not that your like ugly dogs. A big difference.

eurobrat wrote:And why do I need a reality check? I'm just sitting here living my life peacefully, not bugging anyone and here to give useful advice when people need it. Why do you wish harm upon others?


LOL forget about it...what else can I add...
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Postby eurobrat » September 7th, 2014, 7:01 pm

publicduende wrote:As a European let me guarantee you: given your life/work situation, you have gained next to nothing swapping Italy for Germany. Cheaper beer and P4P, maybe? That's about it.


As a European myself I do agree with you given my unique work/life situation I do agree with you however you forgot the part where I got to leave Italian society and people in the rear view mirror, and that is priceless.
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Postby gsjackson » September 7th, 2014, 7:08 pm

publicduende wrote:
OutWest wrote:
publicduende wrote:
eurobrat wrote:And don't listen to Public's anti-US jargon, theres still plenty of money to be made in that country. I know a few Italians working in the US who say it's like heaven compared to the jobs they would get in Italy.

The US is growing slowly at a steady 1.9% meanwhile Italy is shrinking just as fast at -1.9%. Now you can all see why I left Italy, and even with Germanys minuscule growth I still feel economically more sound here.


It might well be ahead of Italy due to its residual infrastructure, but the edifice is collapsing at breakneck speed, too. The US is posting growth thanks to seasonal jobs and Wall Street magick. No friggin way the economy is getting better at the rate of 1.9 per year. If that were the case, Main Street would have noticed and had a real reason to cheer up.

As a European let me guarantee you: given your life/work situation, you have gained next to nothing swapping Italy for Germany. Cheaper beer and P4P, maybe? That's about it.


I don't know what your take is on main street USA, but I do not see the gloom and doom that you see. I see measured optimism and careful growth. Comments like...it's not booming, but we are growing. In Portland, the real estate market suffers from lack of supply. I am involved with a small start-up involving the West Coast of the USA and a couple of Chinese companies. We will have difficulty expanding fast enough to meet demand. I belong to a number of small business related organizations, and in the Western US as least, the tone is nothing like the doom and gloom you are talking about.


I am sure there are patches of green all around the US and I am glad you are involved in one of them. Not be cheesy, but I would be surprised to know a man of your wisdom stuck in the middle of a pond. Trouble is, from what I can read outside a pompously cheerful mainstream press, the employment picture isn't rosy overall. Much of the optimism fuelled by CEOs, financial analysts and commentators seem to have more to do with the growing financialisation of business models and assets (stock buyback, M&A, aggressive cost cutting via outsourcing and competive sourcing), rather than economic fundamentals, e.g. IP and market share growth.

What are your companies involved in? I am curious! I know some of the few remaining buoyant sectors are those related to medical technologies and services, oil & gas projects, and obviously high-end luxury.


I'm with PD -- the U.S. is strictly a temp economy now, with "flexible labor" completely demoralized. There is no longer any correlation at all between Wall Street and Main Street. Retail continues to gradually shut down, or at least it still was the last time I was in the U.S. five and a half months ago. And yeah, the infrastructure has been getting a grade of D from civil engineers for years now, with no apparent political will to do anything about it -- something libertarians will do well to ponder.

The Pollyanna propaganda numbers on the economy, such as 1.9 percent growth, are a sham. David Stockman has a blog -- Contra Corner -- in which he just relentlessly takes apart those numbers one after the other and exposes the fraud. It's good stuff. Stockman identifies the wrong bogeyman, IMO, in "Keynesianism," and fails to distinguish between pumping money into the fraudulent bankster economy and pumping it into the real economy, but most of his analyses of specific policies are right on target.
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Postby publicduende » September 7th, 2014, 7:11 pm

eurobrat wrote:
publicduende wrote:As a European let me guarantee you: given your life/work situation, you have gained next to nothing swapping Italy for Germany. Cheaper beer and P4P, maybe? That's about it.


As a European myself I do agree with you given my unique work/life situation I do agree with you however you forgot the part where I got to leave Italian society and people in the rear view mirror, and that is priceless.


Yes, everybody here has got that, I am sure :) A case of cutting your nose to spite your face. At least you haven't lost much, as you say.
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Postby eurobrat » September 7th, 2014, 7:14 pm

publicduende wrote:
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publicduende wrote:As a European let me guarantee you: given your life/work situation, you have gained next to nothing swapping Italy for Germany. Cheaper beer and P4P, maybe? That's about it.


As a European myself I do agree with you given my unique work/life situation I do agree with you however you forgot the part where I got to leave Italian society and people in the rear view mirror, and that is priceless.


Yes, everybody here has got that, I am sure :) A case of cutting your nose to spite your face. At least you haven't lost much, as you say.


If anything I have gained, at least now I'm on the down-low with what's going on and both some good and bad experiences under my belt.

I think Tsar needs a healthy dose of that so that he can move onto the next level.
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Postby eurobrat » September 7th, 2014, 7:23 pm

gsjackson wrote:I'm with PD -- the U.S. is strictly a temp economy now, with "flexible labor" completely demoralized. There is no longer any correlation at all between Wall Street and Main Street. Retail continues to gradually shut down, or at least it still was the last time I was in the U.S. five and a half months ago. And yeah, the infrastructure has been getting a grade of D from civil engineers for years now, with no apparent political will to do anything about it -- something libertarians will do well to ponder.

The Pollyanna propaganda numbers on the economy, such as 1.9 percent growth, are a sham. David Stockman has a blog -- Contra Corner -- in which he just relentlessly takes apart those numbers one after the other and exposes the fraud. It's good stuff. Stockman identifies the wrong bogeyman, IMO, in "Keynesianism," and fails to distinguish between pumping money into the fraudulent bankster economy and pumping it into the real economy, but most of his analyses of specific policies are right on target.


Yea but where exactly is there a "main street" these days? I don't see it anywhere.
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Postby publicduende » September 7th, 2014, 7:27 pm

eurobrat wrote:
gsjackson wrote:I'm with PD -- the U.S. is strictly a temp economy now, with "flexible labor" completely demoralized. There is no longer any correlation at all between Wall Street and Main Street. Retail continues to gradually shut down, or at least it still was the last time I was in the U.S. five and a half months ago. And yeah, the infrastructure has been getting a grade of D from civil engineers for years now, with no apparent political will to do anything about it -- something libertarians will do well to ponder.

The Pollyanna propaganda numbers on the economy, such as 1.9 percent growth, are a sham. David Stockman has a blog -- Contra Corner -- in which he just relentlessly takes apart those numbers one after the other and exposes the fraud. It's good stuff. Stockman identifies the wrong bogeyman, IMO, in "Keynesianism," and fails to distinguish between pumping money into the fraudulent bankster economy and pumping it into the real economy, but most of his analyses of specific policies are right on target.


Yea but where exactly is there a "main street" these days? I don't see it anywhere.


It's a metaphorical term to contrast the "real" (productive, physical and intellectual assets based) economy with Wall Street (the capital gains, speculation and debt based economy).
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Postby eurobrat » September 7th, 2014, 7:33 pm

publicduende wrote:It's a metaphorical term to contrast the "real" (productive, physical and intellectual assets based) economy with Wall Street (the capital gains, speculation and debt based economy).


You really believe that every one in the US is just working at wall street and that no one in the US is at all productive anymore?
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