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Why do western people believe everything is westernization.

Postby Zionosis » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:03 am

I notice that many western people believe that many other countries are becoming more westernized. But it doesn't make sense to me about what these people are claiming is "westernization". Seems western people believe that everything was made by them and if anyone else has it or something similar then they must be trying to be western themselves. lol


An example, So there was some article I read where sex toy shops open up in China after the government allowed it. People were saying in the comments that "sex toys" are a western thing and if any country uses them it's westernization.
But hold on, many ancient civilizations made the first sex toys before white people so how does that even make sense. In ancient Egypt and ancient china there were sex toys.

I also hear western people claim that prostitution is a western thing. Again this doesn't make sense because in ancient China and Japan there was prostitution before western people ever came and even ancient pornography.
So calling these things western things is a very stupid idea.



I am a white western man myself but from about a year ago just noticed how stupid many of my people are. Afrocentrists are certainly stupid but only recently from an objective view have I realized that Eurocentrism is nearly just as bad and ignorant.

For instance I wouldn't be surprised if the average western person claims we invented the blowjob and that if any other people do it then it's westernization. sigh.

It's probably hard for some on here because many on here are white western men and it's sort of ingrained a little what country you are born in to think you are the center and if any other people do similar things then they must have copied you.
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Postby Repatriate » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:12 am

The simple unalienable truth is the white western anglosphere man has largely ruined their own countries with various ideologies like feminism and strange multicultural racial and social hierarchies.

Half of the people believe all these ideologies are imutable facets of human nature and "superior" ways of living. That's why progressives really believe in the whole "progressive" schtick. The conservatives in the anglo world aren't any better. They still believe in versions of these things and attempt to spread this stuff abroad as well.

"Westernization" is much deeper than just superficial aspects like dress, technology, pop culture, etc.. it's social and political ideology.

Very few asian countries are truly westernized..maybe Singapore is the only one I can think of.

In the rest of the world very few are "westernized" by anglo standards either. Even western european countries have very different idelogies.
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Postby Zionosis » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:39 am

Repatriate wrote:The simple unalienable truth is the white western anglosphere man has largely ruined their own countries with various ideologies like feminism and strange multicultural racial and social hierarchies.

Half of the people believe all these ideologies are imutable facets of human nature and "superior" ways of living. That's why progressives really believe in the whole "progressive" schtick. The conservatives in the anglo world aren't any better. They still believe in versions of these things and attempt to spread this stuff abroad as well.

"Westernization" is much deeper than just superficial aspects like dress, technology, pop culture, etc.. it's social and political ideology.

Very few asian countries are truly westernized..maybe Singapore is the only one I can think of.

In the rest of the world very few are "westernized" by anglo standards either. Even western european countries have very different idelogies.



Exactly. Also yes Singapore even has an official language of English and is a creation of the British Empire if I am right. They are westernized in language but even still not in lifestyle, their lifestyle is more like how people in Hong Kong live and that's probably why in Singapore their obesity is low and their life expectancy and average IQ is high.

The problem with the idea of "westernization" is that the west itself has borrowed many things from foreign cultures.

It's all an ignorance problem I see. For instance the average American or satellite country of America would have people that would think that the USA kicked Russia's butt in the space race.
But if we look at actual facts it's pretty hard to make that statement.

USA.
First man on the moon.

Russia.
1. First man in space.
2. First space station.
3. First moon impact and rover.
4. First satellite in space.
5. First interplanetary probe.
6. First spacewalk.
7. First image of the far side of the moon.
8. First earth orbit.


From my perspective Russia literally owned the space race when you look at the facts. But the western average person would probably think that Russia having a space program is "westernization" sigh.



As far as dress, technology, pop culture I think it's hard to define what "western" really is. We didn't invent the necklace or bracelet. We didn't invent CDs, DVDs. We didn't even invent steel.

As far as dress that is wrong also. Western people just assume that we invented all forms of clothing but that is wrong also.
We didn't invent the dress or shoes or hat.

We did invent the cap I think, the thing with the brim as the front. We also did invent denim jeans.
We didn't invent underpants though, they were used thousand of years ago in foreign cultures. The Fundoshi for example.

In fact the technology/structure behind the modern skyscrapers was by Fazlur Rahman Khan who is a Bangladeshi man.
But the average western person probably looks at skyscrapers around the world and thinks it also "westernization". lol
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Re: Why do western people believe everything is westernizati

Postby TheTeacherWhoHatesLies » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:51 am

Zionosis wrote:I am a white western man myself but from about a year ago just noticed how stupid many of my people are.


Your honesty is commendable.

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Postby Jester » Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:09 am

+1 on this observation, OP. As a sort-of-White "western" man, it's good to have my eyes opened.

Perhaps instead of calling the trends in places like China "Westernization" we should call it "commercialization" or better "financialization" The spread of a fully fungible corporate-commercial mass-marketing culture where everything is for sale, all the time, and everything is measured by its current market value.

Just thinking out loud.

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Also thanks for reminding us of the Russian space accomplishments. Especially since all of THEIR accomplishments actually HAPPENED. ;)
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Postby MarcosZeitola » Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:31 pm

It's not a white thing, or a black thing. It's a HUMAN thing. People will always try and take credit for awesome things, and blame everything not-so-awesome on "the other". Because people are assholes like that.

In the end, talk is cheap, assumptions stupid. And the world keeps spinning.
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Postby starchild5 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:38 pm

Jester wrote:+1 on this observation, OP. As a sort-of-White "western" man, it's good to have my eyes opened.

Perhaps instead of calling the trends in places like China "Westernization" we should call it "commercialization" or better "financialization" The spread of a fully fungible corporate-commercial mass-marketing culture where everything is for sale, all the time, and everything is measured by its current market value.

Just thinking out loud.

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Also thanks for reminding us of the Russian space accomplishments. Especially since all of THEIR accomplishments actually HAPPENED. ;)


+1 True.

Its not about sex toys, prostitution etc that has become westernized but rather For PROFIT everything which is primarily a western capitalist concept mostly. Earlier, things were just for fun and its use. Now, every damn thing is considered FOR PROFIT. Sex Toys are seen as a multi million dollar industry, sex as in Porn Industry, go go bars etc....Everything is commercialized and for profit.

Even Art is FOR PROFIT.

Even though things would have come from other places, its exploitation and trade has been completely taken over by "commercialization"
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Postby Franco » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:08 pm

United States is a service-oriented nation. China is the world's factory - Walmart uses cheap Chinese manufacturing to produce all their low priced consumer goods. US is still worshipped for its money, high standard of living, and material wealth. BIGGER is better in America. Immigrants still flock to the US because there's jobs they can't find in their home countries. Westernization is still viewed as superior in terms of living standards, employment, and education. An ambitious person would love the US for its career-oriented and competitive atmosphere. The US education is still expensive but its college degrees are the most highly valued in the world. Westernization is the spread of capitalism, English language, and technology from Silicon Valley. Imperialism is effective thru use of military power, media brainwashing, and educational-social indoctrination.
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Postby Ghost » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:36 am

My biggest worry is how Western culture spreads. I'm not so concerned about the economics of globalization. Hell, American fast food in Asia can be quite good because it is made for the local palette - healthier, more flavorful, etc.

It's the cultural osmosis I despise. American media getting into other countries has caused massive damage. I think of the Philippines. It was already a bad culture if we compare it to virtuous cultures. But it is certainly worse due to American cultural influence. A lot of Filipinos are virtually indistinguishable from American ghetto blacks now. It's despicable.
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Postby Franco » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:45 am

A lot of Filipinos are virtually indistinguishable from American ghetto blacks now. It's despicable.


HAHAHAHAHA. So true! Filipinos copy that whole black ghetto hiphop swag. It's not impressive Filipino dudes. Being broke, unemployed, thug life equals death and prison time plus probation. Mestizos like myself and Bella don't act like porch monkeys because we have something like class and self-respect.

Do you know what's impressive? Having the means to be a self-sufficient man of honor who can provide for his own family and not for the clan hordes of Filipino vampires that seek the leech every peso/dollar like a parasite. A man works hard for his money and shouldn't be taken advantage of even if he's seeking romantic love.

Philippines is a p***y retirement paradise, but there are beautiful Mestiza girls worth dating and getting to know personally.

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Postby Ghost » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:03 am

And since most of them are apparently broke and unemployed, most of them are doing that. OH, but they are so Christian! That's what they want everyone to see and think. I won't go into it Franco, but I had a really bad thing happen to me there. So of course I agree it is useful as a p***y paradise. And that's all I can see in that cesspool. Get in, get your p***y needs fulfilled, and get the f**k out.
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Re: Why do western people believe everything is westernizati

Postby S_Parc » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:33 am

Zionosis wrote:I also hear western people claim that prostitution is a western thing. Again this doesn't make sense because in ancient China and Japan there was prostitution before western people ever came and even ancient p***.
So calling these things western things is a very stupid idea.


On this note, I totally agree, as prostitution is illegal in much of America, outside of NV.

In ancient times, Babylon was suppose to be the Amsterdam/Rio/Bangkok of the near east.

Thus, the so-called west, has nothing on prostitution.
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Postby Paloaltoguy » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:30 am

Ghost wrote:My biggest worry is how Western culture spreads. I'm not so concerned about the economics of globalization. Hell, American fast food in Asia can be quite good because it is made for the local palette - healthier, more flavorful, etc.

It's the cultural osmosis I despise. American media getting into other countries has caused massive damage. I think of the Philippines. It was already a bad culture if we compare it to virtuous cultures. But it is certainly worse due to American cultural influence. A lot of Filipinos are virtually indistinguishable from American ghetto blacks now. It's despicable.


The only thing detestable is you hatred of life you ugly man. Urban black culture is the ultimate yes–saying to life. An endorsement of human creativity and responsibility. Each human being is both the artist and the work of art. We create ourselves by creating our own values, our own meanings. All life strives to overcome its limitations, to exploit its environment, so as to increase itself, to become more than it is. It is not a will to some "planned" end or inherent purpose nor a is it a will to existence. Life does not will what it has, it wills excess, increase, and abundance. It wills power. White and Asian culture has become all about conformity. That's why American black culture is dominating the would over. You don't know anything about that being a simple tool with delusions of substance.
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Postby Paloaltoguy » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:54 am

Franco wrote:
A lot of Filipinos are virtually indistinguishable from American ghetto blacks now. It's despicable.


HAHAHAHAHA. So true! Filipinos copy that whole black ghetto hiphop swag. It's not impressive Filipino dudes. Being broke, unemployed, thug life equals death and prison time plus probation. Mestizos like myself and Bella don't act like porch monkeys because we have something like class and self-respect.

Do you know what's impressive? Having the means to be a self-sufficient man of honor who can provide for his own family and not for the clan hordes of Filipino vampires that seek the leech every peso/dollar like a parasite. A man works hard for his money and shouldn't be taken advantage of even if he's seeking romantic love.

Philippines is a p***y retirement paradise, but there are beautiful Mestiza girls worth dating and getting to know personally.

-Peace Jah Love.


Oh shut you destitute peon. Stop trying to impress a degenerate. You have no class or self-respect. You're an unthinking bot of no consequence. Automation will replace you and him in a few years.
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