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Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby sea_dragon » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:58 pm

Then what's the purpose of this site? Go abroad and become happier. America is a horrible cesspool and I would never raise my children there.
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Postby Ghost » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:19 pm

sea_dragon wrote:Then what's the purpose of this site? Go abroad and become happier. America is a horrible cesspool and I would never raise my children there.


Venting does have its uses, but it would be nice to see some true and sincere success stories. (I.e. actually finding a good woman abroad and settling down in a foreign country to build a good life abroad.) We have some from the past, but not so many now. But then, we have so many mongers here too, and would-be mongers, and I would rather they just stay at home and complain.
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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby Break the chains » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:32 am

Jeremy wrote:I'm in my mid-late 20's. Excellent shape with the Seran Wrap abs and chest striations. Finally in a decent career track. Socially savvier than 5 years ago. There's just one little problem: I now find myself completely shut out of the dating market for prime females (under 23). As in virtually none will even respond. And if they do, it's always with some snarky comment about my old age.

I've improved on every metric from my skinny-fat, broke 22 year old self. Yet my dating market value is LOWER than ever. And my options are only going to get worse. Isn't this completely backwards? It would be like acquiring more certifications and practical experience for your job... only to get demoted. Not even maintain. Why is this allowed to happen?

Then move, and quit the defeatist attitude. If your market value is low, move to a different market.
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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby Vegascook » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:58 am

Cornfed why don't you elaborate on your opinion a little bit you troll.

Most of my Professors finished their undergraduate degrees later in life and then earned their Ph.D. If education is your criteria it's severely flawed.

I genuinely enjoy working with special needs children so I guess willfully taking a $10,000 a year pay cut would justify your opinion right? Well I can afford the pay cut and still maintain my standard of living, can you?

I've got about $40,000 in my bank accounts and am sending a $16,000 check tomorrow in to pay off in full one of my student loans from culinary school and yet you feel arrogant enough to call me out as a loser. What's your financial situation? Do you even have $16 in one of your bank accounts?

Maybe you're a little jealous that I can date women in their 20's? The best part is they ask me out and I get to choose whether or not to date them. I get invited to parties all the time by the women I go to college with and they pay for my beer. Can you claim the same?

One great thing is that the government will actually reward me for doing something I was going to do anyway. $17,500 in grants for teaching at a title one school for five years. Have you ever done anything to serve a higher purpose or do you talk crap to people who do?

I vaguely remembering you disparaging soldiers for serving in the military. Do you dispute this? Cowards talk smack about those who serve and real men take the oath of service. In respect for this forum I will refrain from obscenities that you deserve.

Hey if you're feeling man enough why don't you go insult a Marine in front of his buddies. I'm sure he'd love to listen to your BS right before he knocks out your front teeth.
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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby Ghost » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:15 am

Break the chains wrote:
Jeremy wrote:I'm in my mid-late 20's. Excellent shape with the Seran Wrap abs and chest striations. Finally in a decent career track. Socially savvier than 5 years ago. There's just one little problem: I now find myself completely shut out of the dating market for prime females (under 23). As in virtually none will even respond. And if they do, it's always with some snarky comment about my old age.

I've improved on every metric from my skinny-fat, broke 22 year old self. Yet my dating market value is LOWER than ever. And my options are only going to get worse. Isn't this completely backwards? It would be like acquiring more certifications and practical experience for your job... only to get demoted. Not even maintain. Why is this allowed to happen?

Then move, and quit the defeatist attitude. If your market value is low, move to a different market.


It isn't usually so easy to make a permanent move. And furthermore, it would likely be a bad idea without years of preparation, including spending lots of time abroad first.
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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby NorthAmericanguy » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:22 pm

Jeremy wrote:I'm in my mid-late 20's. Excellent shape with the Seran Wrap abs and chest striations. Finally in a decent career track. Socially savvier than 5 years ago. There's just one little problem: I now find myself completely shut out of the dating market for prime females (under 23). As in virtually none will even respond. And if they do, it's always with some snarky comment about my old age.

I've improved on every metric from my skinny-fat, broke 22 year old self. Yet my dating market value is LOWER than ever. And my options are only going to get worse. Isn't this completely backwards? It would be like acquiring more certifications and practical experience for your job... only to get demoted. Not even maintain. Why is this allowed to happen?


Excellent post Jeremy! Your post gets right down to business, because, besides from sex work being illegal in America, the other major problem in the American dating scene is how males go about getting a legitimate chance in courting, and eventually, having sex with hot young American women.

Your post sheds light on the issue at hand as I have experienced, or have seen play out through other peoples lives. The American dating market, to me, really consist of two separate markets:

1. 25 and under market.
2. 25 and over market.

The 25 and under market is really the "kiddie pool" of American dating. In this stage, the average American male actually has a decent shot at getting laid if you're within this age bracket. Why? Because a lot of women in this age bracket give up sex just to experience pleasure for the sake of it, the women in this stage don't care much if you don't have a nice car or you live with your parents, and also, and most importantly, American women 25 and under don't have a full grasp of their worth and power of their p***y. Women in this age bracket are also much nicer, friendly, and free spirited.

The 25 and over market is the real dating world; it's comparable to being thrown out into the middle of the ocean. The 25 and over market is significantly harder for males because women now know how much they are worth on the open dating market at this point, women are much more experienced with males at this point, women have been mentored by older more experienced women at this point, they know males are addicted to p****y and will do anything to get it at this point, and women shift from having sex just for pleasurable sake of it, to becoming mercenary/smarter about sex, in that, they strategize and position themselves to exchange fidelity and rationed sex to the highest status male who will agree to marry and start a family with them.


So when you said,"I've improved on every metric from my skinny-fat, broke 22 year old self. Yet my dating market value is LOWER than ever.", this is because the stock of women around you has also risen exponentially over yours, all while most women still hold out for the few males who they feel are doing better in life then you . And unless you're still in college, or live in a college town, you're no longer in proximity of abundant single women 25 and under so this further compounds your problem as all you're left with is dealing with the mercenary and experienced women who are 25 and older.

Also, keep in mind that most women really don't care about a man's body unless you're dealing with Black/Latino women. A hot young body starts to be appealing to women then they get over 40. To get the attention of younger women you either need to look like you have money, or you're guy who can offer them a lot of fun and excitement.
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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby Vegascook » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:28 pm

I'm in my mid-late 20's. Excellent shape with the Seran Wrap abs and chest striations. Finally in a decent career track. Socially savvier than 5 years ago. There's just one little problem: I now find myself completely shut out of the dating market for prime females (under 23). As in virtually none will even respond. And if they do, it's always with some snarky comment about my old age.

I've improved on every metric from my skinny-fat, broke 22 year old self. Yet my dating market value is LOWER than ever. And my options are only going to get worse. Isn't this completely backwards? It would be like acquiring more certifications and practical experience for your job... only to get demoted. Not even maintain. Why is this allowed to happen?


If you're finally on a decent career path stop wasting effort and money on women who don't take you seriously. Take a few years off from your local dating scene and bank all the money you would normally spend. Research a country that you would like to visit, buy some language learning software, learn a little bit of the language via computer, get your passport, and use vacation time from work to visit the place and see if it's a good fit. Develop an exit strategy for moving abroad if you find a woman and country that you like. Figure out how you'll keep money coming in to support yourself. If teaching English overseas isn't for you then think of a business to open. The first major coconut water drink company was co-founded by a financially successful guy in the US who visited Brazil and found his future wife. He didn't want to leave so he decided to market a popular Brazilian beverage to US consumers. When I decide to leave Las Vegas on my terms, I will have zero debt, a vested pension status with culinary local 226 as well as with the public employee retirement system (PERS), and likely at least $100,000 in the bank. Develop a long-term and short-term set of strategic goals and start moving forward.
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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby droid » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:03 pm

Nope, nothing but a tramp-stamped, pierced, twerking, 18yo will do for him; and thus at 22 he considers life to be "over" :roll:
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Re: Over 25 and male? Might as well just lop your penis off.

Postby NorthAmericanguy » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:38 am

Normally I would post this in the book section, but it pertains to the topic. I have just read two books that gives an accurate account as to how easy it is for women to have sex, what kind of guys women have random sex with, and what women do when they are around high status men.

Bottom line, it's true, in a given population, it's only a few men that are having sex with most of the women. Why? It's just automatic in the female nature, women willingly yield and give themselves up (sexually and emotionally) to high status men (i.e., Pro athletes, entertainers, rich men, ect) or men who they feel are much more superior to them. Ideally, women each want their own high status man, but the next best thing is that they rather share a high status man among the other women.

The first book just bust a hole wide open through the notion that a man has to better himself somehow to get girls. The way Mötley Crüe lived their day to day life was absolutely horrendous and disgusting, but yet, the amount of women that desired them, the amount of women they were able to go through, and what lengths women would go just to be with them is simply amazing and mind boggling.

If you're a man with fame/power, women are basically your slaves, and despite what women say in terms of equality, women prefer to be submissive. I have heard it before from women that being around a powerful male who is dominant makes them feel more like a woman.

The two books are called:

1. The Dirt: Confessions of The World's Most Notorious Rock Band by Neil Strauss, Vince Neil, Nikki Sixx, Tommy Lee, and Mick Mars
http://www.amazon.com/The-Dirt-Confessions-Worlds-Notorious/dp/0060989157
2. Secrets of a Porn Star By Roxy Reynolds
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Porn-Street-Chronicles-Presents/dp/1940574935
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