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Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby MarcosZeitola » November 18th, 2014, 11:22 am

There are already forums about MGTOW, and their entire movement is the polar opposite of Happier Abroad. Happier Abroad is about finding happiness, love, solid relationships and a good life outside of the Anglosphere. Whereas MGTOW is about going through life single, flying solo, working for yourself and never settling down, having a family or moving away. Someone who's HA will save money so he can afford a house, a family, a wife that loves him. A MGTOW will save money so that he can buy a new motorcycle, visit hookers or get drunk on something fancy. HA seeks lasting happiness and satisfaction, whereas MGTOW is a selfish and counterproductive movement centered solely around "me, myself and I" and with no long term plans or ambitions.

So why are guys like James Bond and others posting so many shitty MGTOW videos and, essentially, promoting a lifestyle that's the exact opposite of what HA is all about? It could just be me, but it seems very odd to me. To me, a man who is Happier Abroad represents the men who take a stand against modern culture, who find their own happiness. He is not so jaded or disillusioned that he believes all women to be the same, or all cultures to be rotten. He has the mindset of a cowboy, a pioneer, an adventurer, whereas the MGTOW represents the man who's already given up and has the mindset of a weak and selfish hedonist who wishes to not contribute to society or the human genepool and squanders his genetic legacy on material possessions rather then raise a family.

The "Men Going Their Own Way", similar to Japan's Grass Eaters, are a symptom of a corrupt society. But they do not improve matter, they do not help themselves nor anyone else. They are the male equivalent of unmarried single career women; all about the money, all about superficial nonsense and possessions, and without any real ambition or drive in life. They are anti-traditionalist, pessimistic and defeatist to the core, and frankly it's quite sad for me to see these men waste their lives like that. So why defend them, admire them and promote their ideology on a board focused on doing the opposite?
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby publicduende » November 18th, 2014, 11:55 am

I have been wondering this myself. I guess it's because the MGTOW narrative resonates well with those HA members, and as you know there are quite a few, whose expectations have been frustrated even when they met and interacted with foreign girls.

Or with those members who have hardly ever been abroad and yet impose themselves dramatic, final judgements about the state of women worldwide, and prefer to blame the (undeniably present) decline of moral standards than look at way to maximise their chance to find and connect with one of the good girls left, potentially at the cost of cracking their cocoon of certainties about our advanced societies and living standards. Which, from what I can gather, is what you did.

I don't know the movement in detail, but I also guess some cherish the dark romantic idea of a "lone ranger" type of man who knows how to live a fulfilling life without needing any social, let alone intimate or sexual, interaction that is not purely functional to his survival. Or perhaps some others are, by nature or nurture, unable or not keen to seek, forge and maintain meaningful connections and look for a cosy ideological nest that can legitimise their behaviour and their choices.

The fact of the matter is: we are all relational beings and we cannot define ourselves as monads. You know that saying: good friends are mirrors? It's absolutely true, indeed it applies to any person we care to connect to. We learn about ourselves in as much as we explore human nature through the experiences we collect along the way. This is why travelling is important and always has been, especially in these times where socio-cultural diversity is being crushed to death by globalisation and its minimum-common-denominator agendas. As human beings, there's nothing better to revel in diversity, which we should really try and enjoy while it lasts.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby S_Parc » November 18th, 2014, 3:06 pm

Sorry to say it but both of you guys, Marcos and Public, are ideologues.

Instead of recognizing the practical life of what's today's USA, you live in some ideological fantasy of love and romance, almost akin to the guys in the various 'Mutiny on the Bounty' movies. Unfortunately, that's not the reality for many ppl. For those of us, who have lives in America and such, we need to deal with reality. And in that reality, men need to learn how to fly solo first, before engaging in other ventures.

And from what I can see around me, there's only one truly happy guy ... that person happens to be me, as a result of my deciding to be happy, with or without a companion, which is what caused Mel to become attracted to me, during the past few years. Thus, done right, even MGTOW will get oneself a girlfriend over time.

I also acknowledge that Mel's one in a million so I can't advocate that path for anyone else but I do realize that if a person is self-sufficient and then, goes to Brazil, Southeast Asia, or wherever, women will find the *lone ranger* to be an attractive person because he's able to stand on his own two feet, without assiduously following women around for attention and so-forth.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby Mr.Darcy » November 18th, 2014, 4:56 pm

It's either be a lone ranger or choose to put up with the bull **** and drama associated with american women. At some point you get too old and busy for their games and drama.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby newlifeinphilippines » November 18th, 2014, 7:40 pm

Lets see MGTOW keep all their money, no fights, and most importantly no babies or responsibility. If they are lonely they can get a hoe or a casual girlfriend.


Married men? Mostly miserable once the honeymoon is over or kids roll in.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby publicduende » November 18th, 2014, 8:40 pm

S_Parc wrote:Sorry to say it but both of you guys, Marcos and Public, are ideologues.

Instead of recognizing the practical life of what's today's USA, you live in some ideological fantasy of love and romance, almost akin to the guys in the various 'Mutiny on the Bounty' movies. Unfortunately, that's not the reality for many ppl. For those of us, who have lives in America and such, we need to deal with reality. And in that reality, men need to learn how to fly solo first, before engaging in other ventures.


Can't agree more. A man is a man (and should be a man) regardless of whether he has a penchant for chasing ladies or only wants to pursue those he has fallen in love with, or is completely uninterested.

The way you sound, you seem to imply that looking for love (or sex, or any nuance in between) is something that goes in the opposite direction as being a man. I don't see that being the case at all. In fact, at least in Italy when I grew up, learning to interact with girls was just as much as part of becoming a man as it was learning to swim, or play football.

For how much I know where you're coming from, I just can't get myself to subscribe to the theory that women are some sort of mines hidden in the fields of life, and until a man is mature, financially stable and in the right place (possibly a third world country), the idea of bonding to a woman shall not be entertained. Spending a big part of one's prime years away from the dating scene is a recipe for disaster and continuing loneliness, methinks.

S_Parc wrote:And from what I can see around me, there's only one truly happy guy ... that person happens to be me, as a result of my deciding to be happy, with or without a companion, which is what caused Mel to become attracted to me, during the past few years. Thus, done right, even MGTOW will get oneself a girlfriend over time.

I also acknowledge that Mel's one in a million so I can't advocate that path for anyone else but I do realize that if a person is self-sufficient and then, goes to Brazil, Southeast Asia, or wherever, women will find the *lone ranger* to be an attractive person because he's able to stand on his own two feet, without assiduously following women around for attention and so-forth.


Sergeant, not to piss into your whiskey, but have you ever thought that you aren't the only lucky guy around? Even this forum, however full of dark and depressing characters, does have its fair share of genuine happier abroad (or "happier with foreign wife") men. You certainly achieved stability and happiness with a true soul mate, and so (I believe) did Outwest, DaveWe, Pete and (I feel) myself. Yes my wife Monica is an extraordinary person and it took a measure of luck to find her. Yet, I am certain she would have passed me by if I hadn't gone through the mixed bag of bliss and pain that were my past gfs, flings, friends, etc.

In the MGTOW sense, if a person is a "lone ranger" he might elicit some respect and admiration thanks to his sense of detachment which women often decipher as confidence. Love makes weak, they say, after all. Yet, I keep believing that it is indeed possible to be empathic and open to people and elicit the same kind of respect and love, if not even more. Sharing cultural affinities goes a long way, for example. It is a well known fact, backed by my humble life experience, that both Latinas and Filipinas will love somebody who engage them romantically rather than somebody who shows themselves distant and uninterested. Or worse, shows that he only needs them for transient, uncommitted pleasure.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby S_Parc » November 18th, 2014, 9:21 pm

Here's my take ... in the USA or Canada, being outgoing and sociable is an important trait to work on and that involves listening, being conversational, witty, etc. Remember, back in college, I had ~100 acquaintances a/o friends. The reason why I was successful abroad was the network which I was establishing of *friends of friends*, during those formative years. I knew folks who're living in Brazil, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, etc, but had gone to college in the US. All that excess stuff, however, did not lead me to great female relationships in America. On the other thread, when I was in Brazil, a salesman in Rio complimented me in front of his entire staff, saying that I was as busy and important as the President of the United States. Sure, it was a joke but the halo effect did linger and my reputation in town was on the rise. IMHO, an American abroad, if he's got his act together, is in demand. The only thing I had to do was to decide, which available single international woman I wanted to take out to a dinner or a movie. No one ever blew me off or gave me the runaround. Things were natural and genuine. And of course, in Malaysia, don't ask a woman wearing a Burka, out on date, but that's commonsense :wink:

As for the luckiest man around notion... in my town, I'd say yes. It's become almost predicable that whenever Mel and I meet up with a new 30-something couple and they ask the obvious where/when did you meet questions and the responses include college & over a decade and half ago, you can almost see the sunken look in their eyes. It's like we're the krytonite for the lame attempts at coupling in this region; ppl can see that we're the real deal and they're not. Before, we were just friends for a decade and today, we're a couple. None of them have had that experience. It's pitiful that now, after all those years, women are now hitting on me, trying to get me to leave Mel for them. I'd actually rather hang out with fiftysomething couples who're not into that competitivity thing of one's 30s. This is seriously, a lost generation.
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Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby newlifeinphilippines » November 18th, 2014, 11:49 pm

if married people are happier why do all the married people here seem so angry judgemental and defensive LOL
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby The_Hero_of_Men » November 19th, 2014, 1:53 am

In my opinion, HA and MGTOW are two sides of the same coin, or two wings of the same bird.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby The » November 19th, 2014, 3:30 am

ARCHIE LUXURY ON MARRIAGE AND MGTOW....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okl_38oUP0Q
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby Ghost » November 19th, 2014, 5:39 am

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: MGTOW is only useful as a tool to cope with life and protect yourself from skanks in Western countries. Ghosting is great thing! In the U.S., Canada, etc. You want to ignore, avoid, and be invisible to those women. Likewise, you want to be improving yourself as you ignore them. That's how I think of MGTOW. It isn't a solution; it's a tool. It can and should be a precursor to going and being happier abroad. That's how I use it. I am effectively a ghost in America. And that's what it is good for. I don't want to be invisible to women in Asia, and elsewhere.

MGTOW was a response to feminism. It is a symptom of a feminist society. What is so staggeringly silly about it is how MGTOWs will go on forums and talk about how they don't give a f**k. Uh, no. Not giving a f**k means you aren't even thinking about it. Doesn't mean you're posting about it online all the time. And even as response to feminism, it is very weak and spineless. Feminism said that men shall not have access to their birthright: feminine women who are wife material to start families with. MGTOWs just agreed and lay down to accept that fate. No resistance, no alternative solutions. Just acceptance of feminism.

Interestingly enough, there used to be a MGTOW manifesto online somewhere, and it stated that part of MGTOW's goal was to instill masculinity in men and femininity in women. It did, at least in theory, have some use at one point, actually almost stood for something. Now it's an endless circle jerk.

They are the first to speak highly of men for building and sustaining civilization, but decry any attempt to regain men's birthright or to retake society. Men are the builders and sustainers of civilization...and now your idea of success is buying some video games and a new motorcycle?
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby S_Parc » November 19th, 2014, 5:47 am

Ghost wrote:I've said it before, but it bears repeating: MGTOW is only useful as a tool to cope with life and protect yourself from skanks in Western countries.

[ snip ]

Men are the builders and sustainers of civilization


Yes, this sums it up pretty well.
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Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby Jester » November 19th, 2014, 6:31 am

S_Parc wrote:
Ghost wrote:I've said it before, but it bears repeating: MGTOW is only useful as a tool to cope with life and protect yourself from skanks in Western countries.

[ snip ]

Men are the builders and sustainers of civilization


Yes, this sums it up pretty well.


I hope you and Mel find another female - a "breeder" - one day soon. You would both make better parents than many.

God bless you and yours.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby Jester » November 19th, 2014, 6:35 am

Ghost wrote:
I've said it before, but it bears repeating: MGTOW is only useful as a tool to cope with life and protect yourself from skanks in Western countries. Ghosting is great thing! In the U.S., Canada, etc. You want to ignore, avoid, and be invisible to those women. Likewise, you want to be improving yourself as you ignore them. That's how I think of MGTOW. It isn't a solution; it's a tool.



Great post.

I've started doing this. Talking to USA women, whether relatives, hot, old, whatever, leads to nothing good. Endless questions, attempts at brainwashing, energy drain, cash drain, unwanted advice, neurosis, etc.......

Men are friends, women are for owning, breeding, protecting, enjoying. AW are disqualified.
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Re: Why do so many people here have a boner for MGTOW?

Postby Jester » November 19th, 2014, 6:37 am

MarcosZeitola wrote:
So why are guys like James Bond and others posting so many shitty MGTOW videos and, essentially, promoting a lifestyle that's the exact opposite of what HA is all about? It could just be me, but it seems very odd to me. To me, a man who is Happier Abroad represents the men who take a stand against modern culture, who find their own happiness. He is not so jaded or disillusioned that he believes all women to be the same, or all cultures to be rotten. He has the mindset of a cowboy, a pioneer, an adventurer, whereas the MGTOW represents the man who's already given up and has the mindset of a weak and selfish hedonist who wishes to not contribute to society or the human genepool and squanders his genetic legacy on material possessions rather then raise a family.



Well done, Mr. Zeitola. You started an excellent thread here.

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