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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby The » Thu May 21, 2015 11:16 pm

Yohan wrote:
MarcosZeitola wrote:MGTOW may gain for a while, but it only attract lowlifes anyway so nothing of value is lost. Their MGTOW philosophy prevents them from going abroad, from dating, from marriage and kids.
They die alone, and their worthless ideology dies with them.


Lowlife? I feel very comfortable as lowlife.

I see myself clearly as MGTOW and fighting for Men's rights, and I am living abroad, I am married, have children and about dying - we do not know how we die, we do not know our future.

It would be good if you look deeper into this subject and ASK why men are finally deciding to go their own way. Just ASK them!
To blame only them - without checking out their situation - for their decision to become 'outsiders' is totally wrong.

It's very comfortable to blame ordinary men for not dating, not willing to marry, not interested in children with Western women etc., but on the other side, why ignoring their circumstances which made them like that?

Why is it, that Western society remains silent and is unable to complain about lazy, violent, dirty-minded, arrogant, greedy, cheating and otherwise bad Western women and even supporting such behavior solely because they are females?


Your not a MGTOW if you are married...
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby The » Thu May 21, 2015 11:58 pm

PeterAndrewNolan wrote:
The wrote:
Winston wrote:Have you noticed how Sandman's videos never get removed on YouTube, but all mine do? It seems that the powers that be want to promote MGTOW instead of HappierAbroad. I wonder why. HA is much of a threat to them obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCV-XNeZIoHiCGfNYCLh9Q

He seems to assume in every video that American women represent women all over the world. And he assumes that America = The World too. What a narrow guy. I wonder if he's a shill or controlled opposition.


Sandman is Canadian....


Sandman never says anything even remotely controversial in his videos...that is why they are never removed.....

Me? I have even had the high court of ireland threaten to jail google employees in dublin if they will not take down my videos.

The shame about sandman is that he has quite an audience...but will not tell them anything of any significant value......he is a funnel into MGTOW and that is what he has set out to do.....good luck to him I say.

He has 30K subs and 7 million views.

My education channel has 1,470 subs and 592K views...most of which are Ayn Rand views.

It demonstrates very clearly that men do not want to be educated...they want to be entertained....BIG difference.

Sandman is an entertainer....I am an educator.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MensBusinessAsocEduc/about


Sandman's videos are basically the introduction of MGTOW lifestyle...It is entertainment...He's not meant to delve deep into issues but just scratch the surface...Thats his schtick and I respect that...Thats why he has millions of views....

But if you want deeper MGTOW/Modern Relationship discussions your better of listening to Barbarossa, Spetsnaz, Stardusk and others who can give that deep intellectual discussion or education your looking for....

Barbarossa
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDoNFQZqQpd6aL32Ua4JPTQ

Stardusk
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo1qRcO1OehgkOD_fHsu_uQ

Spetsnaz
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbbeOA5K7Hhc3I2vWG1jZ0w
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby Yohan » Fri May 22, 2015 12:02 am

The wrote:Your not a MGTOW if you are married...

You are MGTOW, but only if you are married with a foreign wife and living in a foreign country and doing otherwise what you like and not what society ask you to do for them.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby The » Fri May 22, 2015 12:02 am

PeterAndrewNolan wrote:It demonstrates very clearly that men do not want to be educated...they want to be entertained....BIG difference.


Modern men dont give a flying f**k about being educated about anything....The vast majority of modern men do not have your back....They will sell you out for the latest p***y that comes their way....Rah rah rah rah MGTOW ALL THE WAY! until the biggest tits comes around and gives him some "attention", he'll forget everything he just said minutes prior....
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby Ghost » Fri May 22, 2015 2:06 am

Yohan wrote:
The wrote:Your not a MGTOW if you are married...

You are MGTOW, but only if you are married with a foreign wife and living in a foreign country and doing otherwise what you like and not what society ask you to do for them.


Technically, a MGTOW could be anything. Isn't that the whole point? You make your own path, marriage or not. Hence going your own way. :lol:
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby The » Fri May 22, 2015 2:49 am

Ghost wrote:
Yohan wrote:
The wrote:Your not a MGTOW if you are married...

You are MGTOW, but only if you are married with a foreign wife and living in a foreign country and doing otherwise what you like and not what society ask you to do for them.


Technically, a MGTOW could be anything. Isn't that the whole point? You make your own path, marriage or not. Hence going your own way. :lol:


No Ghost-troll, MGTOWS generally shun marriage and children....
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby Ghost » Fri May 22, 2015 3:12 am

The wrote:
Ghost wrote:
Yohan wrote:
The wrote:Your not a MGTOW if you are married...

You are MGTOW, but only if you are married with a foreign wife and living in a foreign country and doing otherwise what you like and not what society ask you to do for them.


Technically, a MGTOW could be anything. Isn't that the whole point? You make your own path, marriage or not. Hence going your own way. :lol:


No Ghost-troll, MGTOWS generally shun marriage and children....


Obviously, you troll - my point was that if it is about going YOUR OWN WAY then that could include ANYTHING. Even marriage. MGTOW doesn't stand for anything. They shun marriage but can't even make their little circle jerk club for or against anything...

It would be like libertarians saying that they shun big government, but at the same time neither condone nor support it, which would make the whole concept of being libertarian pointless.

Calling it dumb would be an understatement.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby Stag » Sat May 23, 2015 10:57 pm

drronnie wrote:
The wrote:My advice....MGTOW in America but find your gf/wife overseas where behaviors are more natural....


Unfortunately feminism is catching on very well overseas making the women become more selective and spoilt.


True, but these women have to behave themselves if they want to attract a western male. Hopefully they'll realize this, and try to maintain their feminine characteristics (unlike our harpies).
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby Yohan » Mon May 25, 2015 3:43 am

The wrote:..... MGTOWS generally shun marriage and children....


Honestly, why not to shun marriage/children as a man? What is wrong with that?

What can you gain as a man if you marry and divorce? Nothing...
What can you gain as a woman if you marry and divorce? A lot.
Marriage/divorce is a huge lucrative business in Western countries for ex-wives and lawyers.

MGTOW shun marriage generally? Not really true, as many MGTOW guys have been married before, had good intention to create a family - but were cheated and seriously disappointed, often finding themselves in big troubles after divorce for decades, and I cannot blame them that they reject a second marriage, which could end in a financial disaster pushing them towards poverty. It's about the risk and considering the divorce rate, something might go wrong easily even without any wrongdoing by your side.

Other MGTOW-guys like I myself went MGTOW after failing to find any relationship in their own country out of various reasons. I was still lucky, I am living now far away from my native country, but I am married with a foreign wife since over 3 decades, I have children too and also one fosterdaughter.

I did a clear cut and never came back - if this is not MGTOW, I wonder how you would call it otherwise.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby tom » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:30 am

There is also The Turn Flinging Monkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXdvq0bAu90
Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot
The Joe Rogan Experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaC-2lj6HNg
Thinking Ape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSscFnaWJBc

I was thinking of Roger's adoption curve concerning MGTOW/Red Pill
MGTOW is still in the Innovation stage, It has to pass the early adopter level of acceptance before it can enter the main stream.

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It is amazing how much MGTOW thinking has spread and developed.
Still its adoption is small and there is much active resistance against it.
GQ magazine heavily photoshopped the pictures of the men's rights activist to make them look menacing and of coarse a negative write up about them. It seems GQ is actually not a for male magazine, its more of a porn for women mag like Cosmo, Glamor, Self etc.
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201503/mens-rights-activism-the-red-pill

This guy sums it up
http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-lounge-main-forum/lasting-change-unlikely-vis-vis-4945/


Let me begin by saying that Im not sharing this to rain on anyone's movement. Less likely events have transpired after all, and nothing i'll share here should be interpreted to mean "give up". As men, 'giving up' isnt in our damn nature anyways.

So, we come to the grim truth-from where I sit, a mass reversal of the matriarchy we live in is Not Gonna Happen, short of some drastic calamity which makes worrying about Girl Problems hopelessly moot.If we're dodging armed bandits during post apocalyptic WW3, hypergamy's pretty low on the "current problems " list.


The reason among reasons why: numbers. For every one of us who gets unplugged , there are ten guys being released unto the world with fresh Matriarchial programming. Every day I walk around this college -hardly the most liberal of any of them, mind-and most every man I encounter is a walking appliance for the nearest female.To which extent varies by the individual-some guys are flaming accomplices to the Matriarchy, while others express deeply internalized schemas about relationships and "nice women/slutty women" categories whilst acting like players . Most guys are not only programmed to follow these rukes, but they're also hostile to the very concept that they may be at all.

With the common information mediums owned lock stock and barrel by the Matriarchy, getting the word out on MGTOW is all word of mouth and internet . Mediums easily discredited by the popular media; which is where most men plugged into the matriarchy get their news and their "social impressions" of how a man should behave.

Next reason- living free is HARD.

It is existentially difficult to live your life upstream, watching your words with women whilst guarding your true thoughts from your family and friends. Its psychologically painful on occasion to hold the truth so close to you, and know you can only share it with others across a computer screen. Not every man has the capability to do that-ive witnessed one man pull a Cypher and jump back into the Matrix after he knocked up a fat girl, and one of my redpill friends-the only one of the sort who I interact with in real life-is considering it due to his entire family and his friends outside of myself pushing him to wife up an LTR he's having doubts about.

Between those two forces, lasting change is unlikely.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby tom » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:14 am

This is the most views TYT, The Young Turks, youtube of all time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzOKhaiEz2A
Woman 0rgasms 300 Times a Day
5 years old
27,934,505 Views
4661 comments
7142 up
6324 down

Here is the MGTOW / MRM guest on TYT, Karen Straughan

Feminists: Heroes Or Villains? Cenk Uygur Interviews Men's Rights Activist Karen Straughan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDrCRrqOVFs
4 months
88,034 views
3129 comments
948 up
3,519 down

To get this number of comments you would need aroud 3 million views on TYT YouTube channel. Way more than Donald Trump, Julian Assange, Oliver Stone or any other front line celebrity on TYT. This phenomenon is something that has been going on for a while as the MRM type subjects always goes off the charts, nothing seem to be anywhere close on scale. Yet the issues of MRM / MGTOW is demonized and dismissed by the main stream press as insignificant. This is very odd indeed and definitely means something very significant. Cenk Uygur of TYT must be well aware of what's is going on, but at the same time the is shooting for the main stream. Cenk Uygur did put it on his channel which is more that virtually all other main stream media. While is is obvious at some point MGTOW will go mainstream it may be a liftime before it happens, there is no way to know the future. Still the issues are very much real and pretending they don't exist will not make them go away.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby romparoo » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:57 pm

Men who avoid marriage and have no problem bedding women will have no interest in getting deep into MGTOW debates. All these talks about MGTOW going mainstream, I sense the wet dream of incels thinking one day they can get even with those women who ignore them. That's fantasy thinking. Women are able to spin plates at all ages up until her reproduction engine stops. A woman at mid 40s can still spin plates when there is a massive population of sexually hungry men around the same age. One can only beat the system by becoming an alpha. Either born good looking or be very rich. We live in a winner takes all world.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby fightforlove » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:38 pm

A lot of young men in America are MGTOW even if they haven't even heard that term before. The decline of marriage and traditional dating/courtship, the 20/80 rule, the growing isolationist/anti-social culture of the digital age... millions of men in America are effectively MGTOW whether they want to be or not.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby Banano » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:49 pm

MGTOW followers say things like 'men age like wine, women age like milk' but it is nothing but feel good for incels and outcasts who secretly hope that one day women will be beggin them for sex, if it was any truth in it then Winston and Ladislav would be getting more ass than a toilet seat. AW would rather sleep with a dog than beta male.FACT
MGTOW will say that man can procreate till he is his 70s, but who d fck wants their non-desirable beta genes anyway? Ironically, MGTOW dont even want children in the first place but will use procreation as the biggest advantage over being a women.

MGTOWs are bunch of hermit losers who hate each other, they dont socialize in real life apart from bitching about women on internet and message boards. Guy who dont want to get married but can get women dont spend time on internet making videos, he just enjoys life.
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Re: Why MGTOW is gaining

Postby Cornfed » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:48 pm

Banano wrote:MGTOW will say that man can procreate till he is his 70s, but who d fck wants their non-desirable beta genes anyway?

As we have discussed, often times their genes are only considered non-desirable by Western sluts because Western regimes pay for stray sluts and pay them to breed with scum. Perhaps some of them hope that this will no longer be the case in the not too distant future.
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