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Postby ryanx » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:31 am

I was moved by the innocence and logic of a child. The 12 year old girl who said to the Pope: “Many children get involved in drugs and prostitution. Why does God allow these things to happen to us? The children are not guilty of anything.”.

The sooner she realises that it is indeed the religion that he embodies that is the root cause of most of the ills in her society the better.

He had no answer of course and admitted as much, the Pope said: “She is the only one who has put forward a question for which there is no answer.”
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Postby newlifeinphilippines » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:32 am

The pope is an idiot and demonic figure and he doesn't speak for true christianity. Man's sinful nature is the reason the mess of the world.
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Postby starchild5 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:21 am

newlifeinphilippines wrote:The pope is an idiot and demonic figure and he doesn't speak for true christianity. Man's sinful nature is the reason the mess of the world.


yeah, always blame humanity for the misery....good one.... :lol: :lol:

The evil does all the crime and blames humanity for his sins and calls it Karma and then tells humanity to improve more, pray more to lord..what a gigantic con.

Humanity is the greatest library a man can learn from. We don't need freaking gods and leaders and pope..We need students. We need Students of humanity not teachers and leaders....We have seen like for 10,0000 years all these gods and leaders come and go...

Nobody has dared to be a student of human race. I learned from you and other members more than my life in sunday school back in India. We need to learn from each other and grow as humans and the world will change for the better....
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Postby S_Parc » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:11 am

newlifeinphilippines wrote:The pope is an idiot and demonic figure and he doesn't speak for true christianity. Man's sinful nature is the reason the mess of the world.


This isn't my opinion but that of my dad, while the recent latest pope, Benedict, was a douchebag former Nazi, and the current one, Francis, a bit of the wild card, Pope John Paul II was a decent man.

Here's why ... according to my dad, during WWII, John Paul was a part of the underground resistance against the Nazi occupiers in Poland. And then afterwards, he was always against the puppet Soviet backed dictators in Poland. And thus, despite whatever shortcomings he had as a political pontiff of his denomination, he was always fighting for his homeland. This is the one thing which always made an impression on my father, as he appreciates a true Patriot. Perhaps the problem here is that a man's political leanings needs to be separated from his religion.

BTW, I don't have any opinion on the pope.
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Postby MarcosZeitola » Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:37 am

S_Parc wrote:This isn't my opinion but that of my dad, while the recent latest pope, Benedict, was a douchebag former Nazi, and the current one, Francis, a bit of the wild card, Pope John Paul II was a decent man.

Here's why ... according to my dad, during WWII, John Paul was a part of the underground resistance against the Nazi occupiers in Poland. And then afterwards, he was always against the puppet Soviet backed dictators in Poland. And thus, despite whatever shortcomings he had as a political pontiff of his denomination, he was always fighting for his homeland. This is the one thing which always made an impression on my father, as he appreciates a true Patriot. Perhaps the problem here is that a man's political leanings needs to be separated from his religion.

BTW, I don't have any opinion on the pope.


While I dislike Benedict pretty much in how he handled the child sexual abuse scandal and think he's a weak-minded man and a bad pope, the Nazi thing is kind of an unfair point from your father. All boys his age were drafted forcibly into the Hitler Youth and he and his brother were forced to join it. Their father was strongly opposed to the Nazi regime, and got in trouble for his stance.

As for Francis, I like Francis, as far as popes go. I disagree with him on plenty of issues but I see in him a humility and a kindness that I haven't seen in Benedict. John Paul II, too, was something else. They are arguably two of the best popes of the last two hundred years.

The little girl, of course, stole the show. It's actually a miracle she got to address the Holy Father in the first place, if you read what authorities did to the street children. Read and be appalled: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906730/EXCLUSIVE-Children-CAGED-God-Police-seize-orphans-chain-filth-clear-streets-Pope-s-visit-Philippines.html
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Postby droid » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:12 am

All boys his age were drafted forcibly into the Hitler Youth and he and his brother were forced to join it

From what i understand the H.jugend were voluntary and actually many kids wanted to join. I think this was different from the national service year or what not, which was mandatory.
Regardless, it doesn't make sense to throw judgement on Benedict for this.
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Postby Yohan » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:09 am

MarcosZeitola wrote:While I dislike Benedict pretty much in how he handled the child sexual abuse scandal and think he's a weak-minded man and a bad pope, the Nazi thing is kind of an unfair point from your father. All boys his age were drafted forcibly into the Hitler Youth and he and his brother were forced to join it. Their father was strongly opposed to the Nazi regime, and got in trouble for his stance.

As for Francis, I like Francis, as far as popes go. I disagree with him on plenty of issues but I see in him a humility and a kindness...

The little girl, of course, stole the show. It's actually a miracle she got to address the Holy Father in the first place, if you read what authorities did to the street children.


I am not a Catholic anymore (left Catholic Church 45 years ago) and despite 60+, I was born after the end of WWII.
Life under Hitler, this is history and all people, who have seen Hitler by their own eyes are now either dead or very old.

The Hitler Youth was similar to any boy scout organization. It was popular and to REFUSE to let children join would bring parents in serious troubles at that time. Of course it was politically misused, a propaganda machine. However not all was bad with the Hitler Youth - German children were very poor at that time and the Hitler Youth offered meals, some basic clothes and shoes, sports and other activities and some medical treatment, also dentist for free.

About Pope Benedict, he did the right thing to resign, he never insisted to become the Pope, he was chosen, and he was clearly the wrong choice.

Pope Francis, out of Latin America, knows all the life in slums etc, likes to talk and move around everywhere for hours and for 78 year old, he is remarkably strong, he seems to be free of arrogance, very communicative and is not willing to live 'wealthy' - quite different from his predecessor.

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About street children in Philippines, there are various groups of them - many of them belong to parents, who are also living in the street or in slums. Some others don't know their parents, many are in urban area, but there are also abandoned feral children in rural areas. Some street children are misused sexually or beaten up by criminals, but many others are not, some remain kind and lovely trying to survive somehow, others are wild and violent, operating criminal gangs and are attacking locals and foreigners aggressively as beggars, pickpockets, even ready to commit more severe crimes, armed robbery, burglary etc.

What shall police in Manila do with such wild children except to lock them up for a few days while millions of people are in the streets for the visit of the Pope?

My Filipina fosterdaughter (now 20 y/o) is a former feral rural child kicked out by her parents. She was severely mistreated and neglected, suffered of malnutrition and very ill, she was however never sexually abused and was never into drugs and prostitution.

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To blame the Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines and Brazil etc. for all and everything regarding streetchildren is wrong, countries which are almost without Christianity have also huge numbers of streetchildren, like Bangladesh, but who is blaming Islam for that? Buddhism is not blamed either for streetchildren in Cambodia...

If the Pope is not speaking for true Christianity, who else might it be? Who is speaking out for true Islam? or for true Buddhism?
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Postby Break the chains » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:45 pm

I wasn't moved a lot, to be honest. Drugs and prostitution are not the worst things that could happen. Sadly, there's plenty of children in Africa dying of starvation or war that people don't seem to give a shit about.

I've become immune to these child-speeches that seem media forced. A child can easily be brainwashed or pushed into saying things. A child is easily made into a puppet. I'm empathetic but also realistic. Sad, but it is human nature for the powerful to manipulate others.

To blame religion 100% is just lazy.

This Pope is a clown anyway, way too liberal and populistic.
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Postby chanta76 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:50 pm

I think the problem in the Philippines is the corruption in the country in itself. Child abuse and child prostitution is big problem in the Philippines and lets be honest there are some expats who go to Asia for child prostitution.
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