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The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby tom » Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:52 pm

The friend zone is all over the world its innate to all women. Its all how they perceive the amount of resources and social position they will gain by hooking up with you. If there is not anything to gain they will friend zone if they think its a big jump up they will through themselves at you. Remember Disneyland fairy-tales where she hooks up with the prince who has unlimited amounts of wealth and an army of supplicating servants, its p0rn for women.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby MarcosZeitola » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:26 pm

tom wrote:The friend zone is all over the world its innate to all women. Its all how they perceive the amount of resources and social position they will gain by hooking up with you. If there is not anything to gain they will friend zone if they think its a big jump up they will through themselves at you. Remember Disneyland fairy-tales where she hooks up with the prince who has unlimited amounts of wealth and an army of supplicating servants, its p0rn for women.


Sometimes they're just not physically attracted to you. There's a shitload of men online complaining about being friendzoned by women, and many of these men simply aren't attractive physically. Others are weak-willed, shy, insecure of themselves and have a bit of a "doormat" type personality. Some women you will excite, others you will not be able to excite. Part of it is effort, the way you act and carry yourself. Part of it is also your looks, your genes, your facial features.

Some 4\10 men think that being a "good friend" to a 7\10 woman will mean they get to sleep with her sooner or later. Some think that after the girl is on the market again (sometimes they befriend girls who are taken), she will SURELY pick him because he's "so nice to her". I think very few "friendzoned men" aimed for women of their own level of physical attractiveness, either because they believe they deserve better then is realistic or because they overestimate their own physical attractiveness. This is something to consider. Some men, to sum it up: are simply delusional. Admittedly, so are many women. Hence the problem.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby S_Parc » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:49 pm

MarcosZeitola wrote:Some 4\10 men think that being a "good friend" to a 7\10 woman will mean they get to sleep with her sooner or later. Some think that after the girl is on the market again (sometimes they befriend girls who are taken), she will SURELY pick him because he's "so nice to her". I think very few "friendzoned men" aimed for women of their own level of physical attractiveness, either because they believe they deserve better then is realistic or because they overestimate their own physical attractiveness. This is something to consider. Some men, to sum it up: are simply delusional. Admittedly, so are many women. Hence the problem.


Here's a true story ... a long time ago, this was back in college, I'd known a '6' or '7' gal, who'd finally dated (& later married) a '4' guy, who was friend zoned for roughly a year.

Prior to them dating, she was dumped by an athletic '8' guy beforehand, and yes, he was rather good-looking (kinda like a Johnny Depp) and he had no problems beating me at basketball, and he was a premed with solid grades. Long story short, he was in demand and she was just one of many, but he was steady with her, during the time he was studying organic chemistry, as he didn't have the free time to chase women around campus. When that tough academic year was over, he'd dumped her and started fishing around.

Afterwards, she then proceeded to treat her new '4' BF, like a doormat and a concierge service. Last I'd heard, she'd divorced him after he'd gotten his parent's inheritance and he's an embittered man today because he'd supposedly treated her right but she was mainly vengeful and had probably felt short changed in her, not being able to have her movie star looking man in the end.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby onethousandknives » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:28 pm

I think I get what he means somewhat. As I've noticed it in foreign girls here I've talked to. In America, when a girl "friendzones" you, it means she wants nothing to do with you and doesn't even wish to talk to you ever beyond like, if you work together and say hi or something. Like, you will have no friendly relations like you would a male friend talking about your day or whatever with said girl that says "let's be friends" or doesn't wanna date you. I think that's the big difference, obviously not every girl is going to want to date you anywhere you go, but I do believe it may be possible in other places to be actually friends with a girl and have it be a normal feeling thing, and not awkward where she doesn't actually wish to be friends with you or even see you again, and doesn't complain "omg what a creep why doesn't he get the hint, why the f**k is he texting me hi for, what an idiot."

Frankly, I can't even feel comfortable around most American girls. When I talk to Polish girls I feel comfortable, but with American girls I don't. America has this weird pressure where like, if you do want to get to know a girl better, you're a p***y, or a wuss, you're not assertive, etc, and in dating you're expected to "lay it all on the line" when you first meet a girl and be like "ay baby wanna f**k??!" and there's seemingly no middle ground, so you either get false friendzoned or like 3 text messages in from some girl in some shitty online date thing "let's f**k now!!!"
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby tom » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:57 am

It might be the blissful narcissism of some American women

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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby tom » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:07 am

You do not have to accept being cast in the friend zone. You do not have to spend any time with a woman who does this. The best thing you can do is no long be "friends" with a woman like this, such a person will be wasting your very valuable time. You will feel a lot better if she was not your friend, the reason why is simple, she is using you. Getting rid of user women who gives nothing in return is probably the best thing you can do.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby Devil Dog » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:11 pm

tom wrote:You do not have to accept being cast in the friend zone. You do not have to spend any time with a woman who does this. The best thing you can do is no long be "friends" with a woman like this, such a person will be wasting your very valuable time. You will feel a lot better if she was not your friend, the reason why is simple, she is using you. Getting rid of user women who gives nothing in return is probably the best thing you can do.


^This. If a woman who you are interested in ever tells you that she only wants to be friends then tell her you have plenty of friends already and then break contact with her.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby MattHanson1990 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:14 pm

tom wrote:You do not have to accept being cast in the friend zone. You do not have to spend any time with a woman who does this. The best thing you can do is no long be "friends" with a woman like this, such a person will be wasting your very valuable time. You will feel a lot better if she was not your friend, the reason why is simple, she is using you. Getting rid of user women who gives nothing in return is probably the best thing you can do.


Before I went abroad, every girl I desired cast me in the friend zone; not only that but most of those friendships were superficial, and many of these girls didn't even want to befriend me as I was not a top 10% type. For example, one of the girls who cast me in the friend zone, I met her in August 2012 shortly after my mom passed away. I sent her a friend request on Facebook not long after meeting her, she doesn't accept but updates her profile picture; she finally does when I mention that I sent her a request. At the time I didn't think it was much of a red flag, but now I realized it was one of the red flags. Another red flag was that she refused to hang out with me one on one; she always wanted it to be in groups. And another red flag was that when she and I were supposed to hang out but she has to cancel or reschedule, she NEVER even let me know...unless I called or texted her; and on a couple of those occasions, it took forever for her to reply or pick up the phone. Last but not least, when she got with her current boyfriend in July 2013, I knew she was going to drift away because most American girls ditch their friends when they have a boyfriend, not just in the first few or so months. But many girls ditch their friends the ENTIRE time they're in a serious relationship. And I was right when she started drifting away. For a couple weeks in November, she never texted me back, and when she finally did, all she gave me were one word answers. So then I cut her out of my life for good.

Now the friendships I have with most of the Mexican girls in El Paso are a lot truer.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby gibraltar » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:54 am

Some of these stories are unbelievable. I haven't been friendzoned since I was a freshman in College.

Here's the truth: Western culture uses the word "friend" way too losely. These women are "acquitances" not friends.

You're not getting friendzoned. You are getting DISRESPECTED, ABUSED, AND MANIPULATED. Sorry to be mean but I think tough love works great in this stupid feminist society.

Here's a few tips to help people cope with this society:

1. Demand Respect

Seek out women that respect you. Respect means returning calls, cancelling dates before hand, and being honest. We are brainwashed to look for beauty and nothing else. Cut that stupid shit out.

Interact with women that respect you first. It should be your main focus. This will eliminate a lot of the crap you are dealing with.

2. Be Honest

Tell her how you feel QUICKLY. You only get one life. Stop wasting time when these wishy washy whores. YOU ARE AN ADULT. If she doesn't like you back, then tell her it was nice to meet you and spend your time with someone else.

3. End the Thirst

Start drinking more Water. Your body is 80% water. Divide your weight in half to figure out how many OZ of water you need.

Ex. If you weight 190 lbs, then you need 95 oz of pure water everyday. Not coffee or tea. PURE water. Buy a water filter and make it happen. This will END YOUR THIRST and bring you back to your hydration levels as a child. We only begin to get thirsty as we age. Don't let it happen to you. STAY HYDRATED.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby MattHanson1990 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:05 am

gibraltar wrote:Some of these stories are unbelievable. I haven't been friendzoned since I was a freshman in College.

Here's the truth: Western culture uses the word "friend" way too losely. These women are "acquitances" not friends.

You're not getting friendzoned. You are getting DISRESPECTED, ABUSED, AND MANIPULATED. Sorry to be mean but I think tough love works great in this stupid feminist society.

Here's a few tips to help people cope with this society:

1. Demand Respect

Seek out women that respect you. Respect means returning calls, cancelling dates before hand, and being honest. We are brainwashed to look for beauty and nothing else. Cut that stupid shit out.

Interact with women that respect you first. It should be your main focus. This will eliminate a lot of the crap you are dealing with.

2. Be Honest

Tell her how you feel QUICKLY. You only get one life. Stop wasting time when these wishy washy whores. YOU ARE AN ADULT. If she doesn't like you back, then tell her it was nice to meet you and spend your time with someone else.

3. End the Thirst

Start drinking more Water. Your body is 80% water. Divide your weight in half to figure out how many OZ of water you need.

Ex. If you weight 190 lbs, then you need 95 oz of pure water everyday. Not coffee or tea. PURE water. Buy a water filter and make it happen. This will END YOUR THIRST and bring you back to your hydration levels as a child. We only begin to get thirsty as we age. Don't let it happen to you. STAY HYDRATED.



Then we are also brainwashed to not be "overly forward" with women as it'll just creep them out. When I came across HA I found out that it's only an American/Western thing.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby MattHanson1990 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:15 am

gibraltar wrote:Some of these stories are unbelievable. I haven't been friendzoned since I was a freshman in College.

Here's the truth: Western culture uses the word "friend" way too losely. These women are "acquitances" not friends.

You're not getting friendzoned. You are getting DISRESPECTED, ABUSED, AND MANIPULATED. Sorry to be mean but I think tough love works great in this stupid feminist society.

Here's a few tips to help people cope with this society:

1. Demand Respect

Seek out women that respect you. Respect means returning calls, cancelling dates before hand, and being honest. We are brainwashed to look for beauty and nothing else. Cut that stupid shit out.

Interact with women that respect you first. It should be your main focus. This will eliminate a lot of the crap you are dealing with.

2. Be Honest

Tell her how you feel QUICKLY. You only get one life. Stop wasting time when these wishy washy whores. YOU ARE AN ADULT. If she doesn't like you back, then tell her it was nice to meet you and spend your time with someone else.

3. End the Thirst

Start drinking more Water. Your body is 80% water. Divide your weight in half to figure out how many OZ of water you need.

Ex. If you weight 190 lbs, then you need 95 oz of pure water everyday. Not coffee or tea. PURE water. Buy a water filter and make it happen. This will END YOUR THIRST and bring you back to your hydration levels as a child. We only begin to get thirsty as we age. Don't let it happen to you. STAY HYDRATED.



Then we are also brainwashed to not be "overly forward" with women as it'll just creep them out. When I came across HA I found out that it's only an American/Western thing.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby Jester » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:08 am

MattHanson1990 wrote:
gibraltar wrote:
2. Be Honest

Tell her how you feel QUICKLY. You only get one life. Stop wasting time when these wishy washy whores. YOU ARE AN ADULT. If she doesn't like you back, then tell her it was nice to meet you and spend your time with someone else.




Then we are also brainwashed to not be "overly forward" with women as it'll just creep them out. When I came across HA I found out that it's only an American/Western thing.



I was watching PUA coach Jamie today (I posted on another thread). He said intelligent men, and Americans suffer from this, while Brazilians just go right in.

Kind of hurts, but I guess it's true.
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Re: The friend zone is an artificial concept in America.

Postby Signet » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:19 am

Jester wrote:I was watching PUA coach Jamie today (I posted on another thread). He said intelligent men, and Americans suffer from this, while Brazilians just go right in.

Kind of hurts, but I guess it's true.


It's the problem where we are instructed as a society to get our information on how to deal with women from the women themselves. And it sucks for many people because, in 99% of cases, this is a goddamn terrible idea. I don't know if it's that women just have this huge disparity between mind and body (what they think they want vs. what they actually want), if it's some sort of shit-test to reduce the number of 'weak' guys (e.g. the ones who would actually listen to and try to conduct themselves by feminist doctrine) hitting on her, or if it's just a case of a group of people naturally abusing the sudden power they have found themselves with to change the system to be blatantly in their favor (we always wanted to be princesses, let's get EVERYONE TO TREAT US ALL LIKE ONE).

For YEARS, through HS and through my early college years, I did everything to make sure I wouldn't end up with the dreaded label 'creep,' or make some poor woman uncomfortable, and I got nothing, nowhere. It took realizing that feminists and their ilk already hate you, already see something wrong with you (obviously, you'd be in a relationship if there wasn't something wrong with you), are basically already counting down the seconds until you start shooting people, and couldn't care less if you hanged yourself out of loneliness and depression, that I started taking the steps to get over it. I don't know that I'll ever be that dude who can open on anybody and basically already have the deal closed, but things did get better.

I think my point is, in this case, BE THE BRAZILIAN.
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