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After a year and a half of lifting hard and eating like a pig (lean protein, not Mcdonald’s), I’m looking pretty good. I was always in decent shape with chiseled facial features, but now I have that zipper down the chest, a defined 6-pack, and high and tight glutes that “wink” when I thrust. It’s rare to see someone leaner than me. Still have a full head of hair too. There’s no way I’m not in the top 30% of looks for guys my age (27).
And yet I’m still just as incel as before, relying on the occasional hooker session to keep me sane. My standards aren’t that high either. I’ve messaged women over 25, chubby girls, skinny-fat girls, girls with jaw deformities… no responses. I also engage in mixed social activities, but none of the girls have ever shown the slightest bit of sexual or romantic interest in me.
I can only conclude that getting a remotely slender girl under 30 in the west is impossible. Should I just stick with hookers and porn until I can afford to get the f**k out of America?
On the one hand, I want to blame guys like you. You keep improving your body for women, but still can't get any. You think you raise your value, but it doesn't do anything to help you get women. Any good foreign woman won't judge you on your looks. It's not a good criteria for a mate when it comes to a man. On the other hand, I don't blame you. You do something logical that should raise your value and then get shocked when it doesn't. That's understandable.
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Tips on meeting and approaching girls , second thing tinder now has travel on it , so see how many matches you get in another country before traveling there ? I'm in Australia cost me 12.99 a month I'm. 34 I lie about my age lol, but I can get matches in other countries none where I live in Australia only fatties lol!
Are you one of those "gym-cels" I sometimes hear about? All of those body features you mention are hidden away when you're outdoors so they're not really relevant. I recall reading that your weight was in the 140s at a height of 6'3", that's bordering clinical underweight, you probably look really gaunt in clothes. In any case it's the face that matters and I note that before you rated yourself around a 4/10 but now you're top 30% or around a 7/10? A 7/10 should not have big problems getting women on dating sites, unless you're REALLY creeping them out in some way.
Years ago when I was using online dating sites in the UK I would get messaged by at least some decent looking white women, including a good looking blonde. If a humble above average 6/10 guy (in pics at least) of South Asian origin can do that in the UK I don't believe that an above average 7/10 white guy can't do at least as well in Canada.
You may need to reassess that. I doubt there's any chance of seeing your pic but it'd help to have a look at you to judge for myself.
I'm 50 and have young gals that want to bang me because I have my grandma's genes, her sister just died and she was 105 .
If you have certain features women want in their offspring they look for that. I am like 6 foot 5, weigh 300, look like an offensive line man, all limbs like the blackman, real athletic build but got cheated on the main limb however . Oh well you can't win them all and I do not have to work out as well.
If you got the look and play your cards right do not kid yourself women are to be had.
I forgot to mention when I drop my trousers they laugh and run however.
Time to Hide!
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I'm in the 160's now. I agree it's mostly about the face. But most 27 year old guys look like shit. Zygomatic arches and periorbital angles cease to matter when balding and excess body fat enter the equation. And from what I understand, ratings are based on a bell curve. So top 30% would be more like a 6.
Anyway, I'm not interested in quibbling over my rating. In fact, for argument's sake, let's say I'm a 4. A 4 with an Olympic swimmer's body. Shouldn't my female match at least be reasonably slender?
Also, why can I easily attract hot non-western Asians and Latinas? If the problem were with me and not my location - if I were objectively unappealing like you suggest - wouldn't girls from all over reject me?
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, for obvious evolutionary reasons (fertility cues) men assign a lot more importance to a woman's body than the reverse. I remember a study that found that around half the variation in men's ratings of women was due to the body, but only a quarter for the reverse.
On the contrary I never said you were universally unappealing as your above point clearly shows otherwise. You just don't appeal to Western women for some reason while you appeal strongly to those non-Western women. Lots of men experience an upsurge in women's attraction to them in different locations while some men experience a decline, other men are simply undesirable everywhere. Cultural beauty standards can vary a lot with time and place, even though some things are universal.
I would not even think about an answer to this question. I would say, take it easy.
If you can easily attract non-western women, keep contact with them and forget about Western women.
The problem is in many cases not with the Western man, but with the Western girl and there is nothing what you can do about it.
Just ignore them...
Do you ask girls out on social situations?
Maybe you could get a few hundreds, or business cards that look like hundreds and have them hanging out of your pocket. Rent a fancy sports car to drive around. You might be able to attract some gold diggers.
There is a problem that is frequently mentioned in forums like this one. Many women aren't that serious about marriage in their early 20's. The fornicate with the minority of alpha males who have figured out how to manipulate them. Then, when they are used up and pushing 30, they decide to settle down with a man.
Maybe you aren't the type to manipulate woman into the bedroom by lying to them and taking advantage of them. And you haven't hit the age where the used up women would be interested in you.
Hopefully those aren't the type of women you would attract. Maybe you can expand your social circle and get to know more women in real life. If you do find a woman is attractive and has good character, you could approach her and ask her out. Don't expect her to overtly 'express interest.' Women expressing interest is a matter of body language. She touches her hair, turns toward you a certain way when talking to you, exposes her neck, maybe drops an extremely subtle hint of interest that a man might not pick up on.
In my 20's, I moved to Asia. I think I was mostly oblivious to girls liking me anyway, at least if I weren't interested in them, so I didn't pay attention to clues from 90% of women anyway. Maybe I picked up on how to read clues. But by the time I got to be nearly your age living in Indonesia, I could tell a lot of women were interested in men. Women there tend to be more marriage-oriented, looking for a spouse in their 20's instead of just a boyfriend or fornication partner. White men who aren't earning developing country wages (hundreds a month for a manager) are appealing, and some women just like white men. If you are looking for a wife, then being in a culture where women are actually looking for husbands in their early 20's when they get out of high school or college can give you an advantage.
You could also try blind dates. Have you got a male friend who married who has good taste in women for their looks (i.e. good-looking wife) who wouldn't you up with someone unattractive? A young married wife might know other women looking for boyfriends or husbands.
When I got to be 26, I decided I wanted to find my wife and just get married, so I just really prayed intensely about it. I was looking at my journal from that time. I'd believed the Lord had spoken to me that I'd meet my wife that month. I met this woman and went home praying and asking if this was the one I'd marry. She went home and wrote something similar in her prayer journal. We both kind of knew. I got to know her and she was just what I needed, a woman of character and integrity in addition to her looks, and a virgin on top of that. We got married at the close of the last millennium and we've been together since.
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