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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Jsport » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:36 pm

I've noticed the same thing about normal men having girlfriends in America. I'm a good looking guy and I've seen guys who resemble me and not have a problem dating beautiful American women. I guess the main difference between me and those guys who look like me is that socially they are compatible with American women and
i' m not. I've also seen guys who are not good looking date beautiful American women and again my guess is that socially these women feel comfortable with these guys. To women, social compatibility is very important when dating a guy. Its as if it comes naturally to these guys who succeed with women in America, these guys effortlessly date desirable American women, whereas people like many of us are told that we have to improve ourselves, when the reality is that many of these guys who succeed with these women, don't care about improving themselves, why? because they know that they don't have to improve themselves to attract these women.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby romparoo » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:41 pm

Ghost wrote:Most guys find wives in America. The trick is the timing.

When your in your 20s, you're supposed to be incel.

When she is in her 20s, she's supposed to ride the carousel with a variety of Chad Thundercocks.

When you're in your 30s, you start becoming more successful professionally and financially.

When she's in her 30s, she recognizes what a good wallet...er, man, you are.

Get married, and happily ever after until she divorces you and destroys your life.

And that's how normal guys get wives in America.


Ghost, I think this systematic rip off of the male gender is well known among men even before MGTOW and Red Pill came to the scene.
Mind you the following was reported in a 2001 survey (it's UK data but equally applicable in other anglophonic countries):

In a survey conducted last year (2001) of more than 4,000 women aged 18 to 49, only half were married.
Over the same period the number of single women in this age group had doubled, from 18% to 36%.
Of the remainder in the 2001 survey, 9% were divorced, 4% were separated and 1% were widowed.


Fast forward 14 years later (now), I cannot even imagine how much worse the situation has become for us men.
Most men have already subscribed to self preservation, and not wanting to be used as a mere 'good wallet'.
The older women from that 2001 era had been passed by and forgotten. They are now likely trapped in a perpetual cycle of poverty (financial and emotional), and repetitively going through one after another thuggish abusive partner who are the leftovers some of them former Chad Thundercocks.
All the loud mouthing you see and hear in the media is being carried out by the young women of the current time, whose fate will eventually be the same as those older women who loud mouthed 14 years ago. It is a perpetual cycle of discrimination, misandry, and poverty, something the bankers and the top 1% love. This is how you keep the proletariat under control. Women naively accepted the forbidden fruit from the serpent, and you as a man cannot punish her for her foolishness. Now you both will 'die' (figuratively speaking), unless you are rich.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Bane » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:05 pm

Jsport wrote:I've noticed the same thing about normal men having girlfriends in America. I'm a good looking guy and I've seen guys who resemble me and not have a problem dating beautiful American women. I guess the main difference between me and those guys who look like me is that socially they are compatible with American women and
i' m not. I've also seen guys who are not good looking date beautiful American women and again my guess is that socially these women feel comfortable with these guys. To women, social compatibility is very important when dating a guy. Its as if it comes naturally to these guys who succeed with women in America, these guys effortlessly date desirable American women, whereas people like many of us are told that we have to improve ourselves, when the reality is that many of these guys who succeed with these women, don't care about improving themselves, why? because they know that they don't have to improve themselves to attract these women.



Agreed. I see men my age (34) and even younger who look worse than I do with relatively attractive women all the time.I consider myself to be decent looking, and I'm in better shape now than I was at 25. Don't get me wrong, looks are important, but now I'm starting to think that your persona and image probably plays a bigger role.If you're a socially awkward type with atypical interests (like me), you're gonna get blown out. An average looking man who acts in a more "socially acceptable" way will have much better luck.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby romparoo » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:20 pm

Bane:
How would someone end up decent looking but socially awkward with atypical interest?
That itself is an oxymoron. A man age 34 who is a solid 9 is pretty much also a solid 9 when he was age 25 or age 17. Good looks and poor social skills do not blend. If a man is a solid 9 all the time, he would have spent most of his life being pandered by so many women that any form of social handicap he may have will be removed even if he resisted. Not sure what persona you are talking about. In my workplace, there are so many married men who have zero persona or image.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Teal Lantern » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:29 am

Winston wrote:I have a curious question: How do NORMAL men find girlfriends and wives in America? I know that sounds like a stupid question. But let me explain why I'm asking it. Consider the following ways that you are supposed to, or expected to, meet women in America:

Enough married women hit on me, I don't see the gain of being the hubby, but anyway ... to your question ...

Passive men go were people are and, essentially, wait to be chosen. It's a numbers game.
The active ones do the same and more. They ignore the 'supposed to', 'expected to' constraints.
As Ghost points out, your age has a lot to do with how you go about this. For the average man, his 40s are his peak earning years.
http://www.whatsmypercent.com/index.php?page=Data_Tables , check the age chart.
If you're late 30s - early 40s, and getting things together, you should be noticing an uptick in female attention.


Winston wrote:But not young women, no way, they are the most averse to talking to strangers.

Sheeeiiiiit. :lol: Let her like your looks or think you have something she wants, she'll come up with a reason to say something to you.
They can be quite aggressive about this, too. Painting your house? Putting in a new driveway? Have a remodel going on? Doing some of your own car repair?
Suddenly soft voices and smiling faces are greeting you 'Good morning', when you're checking the mailbox or tending your yard. :roll: :lol:


Winston wrote:Now I know society has cliches such as "just go out and meet people" but as we all know, such cliches aren't realistic and don't work, since all the above obstacles don't make it easy or natural at all.

Nothing is 100%. A girl giving me the cold shoulder may well be all over you. YMMV.
As an aside, you're more likely to get chatted up at a DIY home improvement store than at a Walmart. :wink:
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Jeremy » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:37 am

Winston wrote:I have a curious question: How do NORMAL men find girlfriends and wives in America?


They date down in looks. My borderline obese ex has no problem dating and getting commitment from thin, normal looking guys. Most Men in America just have to accept that they'll never sleep with a desirable girl (under 28 years old, bmi between 17 and 23) without directly paying.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Jester » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:45 am

romparoo wrote:Bane:
How would someone end up decent looking but socially awkward with atypical interest?
That itself is an oxymoron. A man age 34 who is a solid 9 is pretty much also a solid 9 when he was age 25 or age 17. Good looks and poor social skills do not blend. If a man is a solid 9 all the time, he would have spent most of his life being pandered by so many women that any form of social handicap he may have will be removed even if he resisted. Not sure what persona you are talking about. In my workplace, there are so many married men who have zero persona or image.


***GO*** to a gym. Look around. Are all the guys working out there wild, friendly, outgoing and charming?

Nope.

The problem with people like you, and with a huge minority of posters on forums, is that you post the results of your thought-experiment as if it was observation of real life.

Please stop.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Adama » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:22 am

I think it is very easy to find women in America, if you are perfectly American like everyone else.

If you are mostly normal or average, just like everyone else, then you will have no problem. It won't even matter if you are ugly or short or poor. On the surface you think it is about that. Don't get me wrong, if you are all three then there may be a problem, but if you are only one of those, then that is likely not the problem.

The problem is we aren't normal in some intangible way. It must be psychological, mental or spiritual.

Winston is right when he pegs it on culture. Culture is a significant part of it. If everyone in the culture is an idiot following stupid trends, you are going to seem very odd if you don't follow those trends. You will look even worse if you don't follow and openly start questioning why people are following ridiculous trends.

I think most Americans are far more mentally sick than the average person who isnt from North America (or Oz, UK, etc Anglosphere crap). You have to jump through more hoops to get with an English speaking woman, they are actively looking for reasons to reject you while foreign women mostly don't do that, and they are paradoxically less feminine while taking a very passive role in courtship.

Somehow most men adapt okay to this upside down culture. But we don't.

That's why I conclude that if you are mostly normal (everything is normal about you except for maybe one thing which can be overcome), then you'll have less of a problem than if you are abnormal.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby blueshogun96 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:23 am

Ghost wrote:Most guys find wives in America. The trick is the timing.

When you're in your 20s, you're supposed to be incel.

When she is in her 20s, she's supposed to ride the carousel with a variety of Chad Thundercocks.

When you're in your 30s, you start becoming more successful professionally and financially.

When she's in her 30s, she recognizes what a good wallet...er, man, you are.

Get married, and happily ever after until she divorces you and destroys your life.

And that's how normal guys get wives in America.

lol, this is so real. You must me a Tom Leykis listener?

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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Ghost » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:12 am

blueshogun96 wrote:
Ghost wrote:Most guys find wives in America. The trick is the timing.

When you're in your 20s, you're supposed to be incel.

When she is in her 20s, she's supposed to ride the carousel with a variety of Chad Thundercocks.

When you're in your 30s, you start becoming more successful professionally and financially.

When she's in her 30s, she recognizes what a good wallet...er, man, you are.

Get married, and happily ever after until she divorces you and destroys your life.

And that's how normal guys get wives in America.

lol, this is so real. You must me a Tom Leykis listener?

Shogun.


I've listened to some of his shows before, but I'm not a regular listener.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby GoingAwol » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:49 am

Apparently 70% of American men between the ages of 20-34 aren't married. That's crazy and unheard of! Most of my mom and dad's generation were married by their mid 20s. Things are definitely changing.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby blueshogun96 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:21 am

GoingAwol wrote:Apparently 70% of American men between the ages of 20-34 aren't married. That's crazy and unheard of! Most of my mom and dad's generation were married by their mid 20s. Things are definitely changing.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

IMO, the saddest part of this statistic is not the fact that we are refusing to get married (I'm 30 and happily not married btw), but that the media is trying to shame us by blaming pr0n and video games. From a logical perspective, that's just a result of us opting out of this gynocentric business known as marriage that only benefits women from a legal perspective. For me to get married willingly, it will take a miracle.

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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby Banano » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:31 am

Forget about marriage, thats artificial invention thats in decline in every country in the world.

Real question is How many guys are single vs how many have gfs?
Places where I worked most guys had gfs.
We cant be fooling ourselves thinking 90 percent of guys are lonely and unable to find partner, its just not true.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby GoingAwol » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:06 am

Banano wrote:Forget about marriage, thats artificial invention thats in decline in every country in the world.

Real question is How many guys are single vs how many have gfs?
Places where I worked most guys had gfs.
We cant be fooling ourselves thinking 90 percent of guys are lonely and unable to find partner, its just not true.

How do you know most of them had girlfriends? Guys lie about that stuff you know...... How do I know? Because I have done it myself and have seen other guys lie about the same thing. Admitting to being a perpetually single guy is taboo and people would think you were weird. However, you are correct in saying that there is no way 90% of the guys are going without. I'd say it's more like 70% of the guys. The top 30% of guys have it relatively easy. And that's not to say that the 70% are completely going without. It's more like their options are extremely limited and they have to really date down to get a woman.
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Re: How do normal men find wives or girlfriends in America?

Postby romparoo » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:23 am

Jester wrote:***GO*** to a gym. Look around. Are all the guys working out there wild, friendly, outgoing and charming?

Nope.

The problem with people like you, and with a huge minority of posters on forums, is that you post the results of your thought-experiment as if it was observation of real life.

Please stop.


Don't be silly. Like you're the only guy been to the gym :lol:
Just because someone works out doesn't automatically make him a solid 9. Damn if you wish this is that easy. Most women don't date steroid junkies, and most men who work out do not end up with that male model physique. Sure they get lean and a bit buff, but the shape is ultimately defined by genetics.

Most 'gym-cels' simply don't understand this. A solid 9 recognized he is one at a young age. For the same reason, he is naturally confident and charming. He might or might not frequent gym, but if he does, it is fairly casual. Compared to those 5 or 6 trying hard in gym in an attempt to up himself to 9...now you ask why they are not charming. Big difference there mate! Wasn't George Sodini a 'gym-cel'? He thought he's decent looking too. Pardon my semantics, I take 'decent looking' with a high score, at least 8. Perhaps most men who claim to be decent looking are simply in the upper band of average.
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