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Re: Why all the hate for Socialism here?

Postby Adama » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:23 am

The Un-American wrote:
Adama wrote:It doesnt matter what the form of government you chose, because the state has no real obligation to the people.The important question is who controls the state? That's what matters.

As for economic systems, communism removes the incentive for people to work hard or well. What really matters is, who controls the banking system?


So, do you think companies should be allowed to pay their workers as little as possible and people who are unemployable due to disability should just eat cake?

I would actually counter-argue that the extreme capitalism in America and the world has caused the quality of service and material things to decline over the past 35 years. When people are over-worked and under-paid, they don't care about doing a good job, they just care about keeping their job and surviving through the day. And that's what libertarianism usually leads to - overworked, underpaid people and a small, predatory upper class hogging all the resources.

Also keep in mind that the toxic American brand of feminism is very much the handmaiden of our predatory capitalism.



I've had jobs where the bosses decided they didnt like me, and once they found the smallest mistakes I made, they used those to fire me. I am 100% pro unions now. We need them to protect us from the greed or hatred of the employer.

I also recently found out that at one of my previous jobs, they are replacing US citizens with H1B visa people from the Philippines, who are working for 1/2 of what the US Citizens are making.

H1B visas and NAFTA should be outlawed. Employing illegals should be punished in a similar way as some other white collar crimes.
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Re: Why all the hate for Socialism here?

Postby Moretorque » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:42 am

Adama wrote:
The Un-American wrote:
Adama wrote:It doesnt matter what the form of government you chose, because the state has no real obligation to the people.The important question is who controls the state? That's what matters.

As for economic systems, communism removes the incentive for people to work hard or well. What really matters is, who controls the banking system?


So, do you think companies should be allowed to pay their workers as little as possible and people who are unemployable due to disability should just eat cake?

I would actually counter-argue that the extreme capitalism in America and the world has caused the quality of service and material things to decline over the past 35 years. When people are over-worked and under-paid, they don't care about doing a good job, they just care about keeping their job and surviving through the day. And that's what libertarianism usually leads to - overworked, underpaid people and a small, predatory upper class hogging all the resources.

Also keep in mind that the toxic American brand of feminism is very much the handmaiden of our predatory capitalism.



I've had jobs where the bosses decided they didnt like me, and once they found the smallest mistakes I made, they used those to fire me. I am 100% pro unions now. We need them to protect us from the greed or hatred of the employer.


How bout Stalin or Lenin or Mao for your employer ? if we have competition and true open markets you can show case your talents to another company. There are no markets under the communal dictatorship just servitude to the credit monopoly.

Dude you need to figure out the money system is really bad. Dr. Ron Paul said it best when he said honest money honest civilization.

Socialism Communism is a creditor building a unsustainable house of cards in a finite world. An educated mass of people is the real answer to go forward with real leadership not these puppet governments created by treaty behind the publics back by taking all the purchasing tickets of the worlds economies over.

It's actually late in the game and a mass extinction is coming up to bat and no political ideal is going to save us from natures wrath.
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Re: Why all the hate for Socialism here?

Postby Moretorque » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:50 am

Adama wrote:
The Un-American wrote:
Adama wrote:It doesnt matter what the form of government you chose, because the state has no real obligation to the people.The important question is who controls the state? That's what matters.

As for economic systems, communism removes the incentive for people to work hard or well. What really matters is, who controls the banking system?


So, do you think companies should be allowed to pay their workers as little as possible and people who are unemployable due to disability should just eat cake?

I would actually counter-argue that the extreme capitalism in America and the world has caused the quality of service and material things to decline over the past 35 years. When people are over-worked and under-paid, they don't care about doing a good job, they just care about keeping their job and surviving through the day. And that's what libertarianism usually leads to - overworked, underpaid people and a small, predatory upper class hogging all the resources.

Also keep in mind that the toxic American brand of feminism is very much the handmaiden of our predatory capitalism.



I've had jobs where the bosses decided they didnt like me, and once they found the smallest mistakes I made, they used those to fire me. I am 100% pro unions now. We need them to protect us from the greed or hatred of the employer.

I also recently found out that at one of my previous jobs, they are replacing US citizens with H1B visa people from the Philippines, who are working for 1/2 of what the US Citizens are making.

H1B visas and NAFTA should be outlawed. Employing illegals should be punished in a similar way as some other white collar crimes.



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