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Why would anyone who hates American culture be a libertarian

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Why would anyone who hates American culture be a libertarian

Postby The Un-American » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:04 pm

I notice many of the people on this board seem to be of the Ron Paul/Ayn Rand bent. Why? Don't you realize that the reason WHY American culture is so toxic is because it's all about money and greed? Why would you support an ideology that is based around the idea that greed and the rat race are not only good, but the only moral way of life?

I'm a socialist, but I oppose political correctness and "cultural Marxism". I support distribution of wealth because without out we would be nothing but a third world country. Also societies that spread the wealth around generally do much better than societies where the winner takes all.
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Re: Why would anyone who hates American culture be a liberta

Postby fschmidt » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:16 pm

I support freedom. While libertarians aren't perfect, they support freedom more than other groups do.

Greed is not a political or economic issue, it is a moral issue. So the only way to address greed is through religion.

Socialism is the worst possible economic system. I support income redistribution as does Milton Friedman and the Bible. This has nothing to do with socialism.
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Re: Why would anyone who hates American culture be a liberta

Postby The Un-American » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:36 pm

fschmidt wrote:I support freedom. While libertarians aren't perfect, they support freedom more than other groups do.

Greed is not a political or economic issue, it is a moral issue. So the only way to address greed is through religion.

Socialism is the worst possible economic system. I support income redistribution as does Milton Friedman and the Bible. This has nothing to do with socialism.


Why do you hate America and American women, then? Seems like you'd fit right in honestly.
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Re: Why would anyone who hates American culture be a liberta

Postby Signet » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:43 pm

The Un-American wrote:
Why do you hate America and American women, then? Seems like you'd fit right in honestly.


fschmidt wrote:I support freedom


In what universe does this fit in with feminist worldview. Feminists are generally heavily authoritarian and happy to have the government handling everything, whether it's subsidies for their poor lifestyle choices, stepping in on their behalf in regards to laws, in regards to quotas, or just supporting them outright.

Obviously this is probably an oversimplification, but it's not like you're being very nuanced as to what exactly your problem with libertarianism is. You're posting like you just read a facebook meme and are now prepared to defend it to the death.
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Re: Why would anyone who hates American culture be a liberta

Postby Ghost » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:33 am

Ron Paul's big message was that we need to audit and end the federal reserve. This alone would could fix the culture. (No artificial influence over the culture via fiat currency.) Libertarians are often considered to be socially liberal, but the truth is that most of (from what I've seen anyway) aren't in support of liberal ideas for society, but simply think people should leave each other alone and that whatever they do, the government must not be involved in their personal lives. Under a real libertarian system, traditionalism and gay marriage could both hypothetically exist, but there would be no society-wide enforcement of anything. It would be up to localities to decide on their own beliefs, practices, and affairs. There's no contradiction that I see.
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Re: Why would anyone who hates American culture be a liberta

Postby OutWest » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:22 pm

The Un-American wrote:I notice many of the people on this board seem to be of the Ron Paul/Ayn Rand bent. Why? Don't you realize that the reason WHY American culture is so toxic is because it's all about money and greed? Why would you support an ideology that is based around the idea that greed and the rat race are not only good, but the only moral way of life?

I'm a socialist, but I oppose political correctness and "cultural Marxism". I support distribution of wealth because without out we would be nothing but a third world country. Also societies that spread the wealth around generally do much better than societies where the winner takes all.

Socialism and monopolist capitalism both surpress populations to achieve their ends. Free enterprise is different than capitalism. As a socialist, you believe in the seizure of private property by force to achieve the social designs of an elite few. Inevitably in socialist societies, the person is the property of the state. Freedom and socialism cannot coexist. Free enterprise is the economic practice of freedom under the guidance of ethics and morality. As both of those fade in america, free enterprise becomes replaced by amoral capitalism and socialism ( vote buying) and liberty fades from view under both.
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Re: Why would anyone who hates American culture be a liberta

Postby Moretorque » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:38 pm

The Un-American wrote:I notice many of the people on this board seem to be of the Ron Paul/Ayn Rand bent. Why? Don't you realize that the reason WHY American culture is so toxic is because it's all about money and greed? Why would you support an ideology that is based around the idea that greed and the rat race are not only good, but the only moral way of life?

I'm a socialist, but I oppose political correctness and "cultural Marxism". I support distribution of wealth because without out we would be nothing but a third world country. Also societies that spread the wealth around generally do much better than societies where the winner takes all.



Dude your lost, the socialist agenda is basically a bunch of people who want to counterfeit money, practice usury and lay claim to the world. They have done it in such a way most people are not smart enough to figure it even with the net explaining it.

They are looking to make all the worlds masses renter tenants and have done a masterful job of the dupe but their rules are not for them only the idiots below them, they walk a fine line between tenancy, revolt , collapse. They are looking for the perfect combination for their socially engineered dictatorship so they can rule forever and finish building the breakaway dictatorship from the rest of humanity.

America in it's current form is the most socially engineered country ever, if you cannot figure it out by now you are not very sharp. All the political words are just words designed to dupe, go read the enacted policies of our rulers such as the pertro $ arrangement for 1 example of the looting of social engineering forced on indigenous people's. If that is not the most socialist ideal ever than I do not know what is. Total con men in charge of the world.
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Re: Why would anyone who hates American culture be a liberta

Postby zboy1 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:46 pm

I lean a bit libertarian but I would serious consider voting for Bernie Sanders, just so the establishment pisses in their pants and we do away with all the ridiculous free trade agreements (which isn't really free trade but managed trade close to corporatism) with other countries, so that America gets it's industries back and we can begin to rebuild the country again.
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