MarcosZeitola wrote:Adama wrote:I do apologize HouseMD. I think you are a Christian, just a non-believing one.
One can be Christian and still accept certain scientific phenomena as facts. I know many Christians who believe in evolution, for example, and aren't any less pious for it. My own grandparents are among these people, and I have known few people more kind, more caring and more helpful to their fellow man then them, embodying the Christian spirit in their every move.
Faith does not have to equal blind belief. Perhaps in your interpretation of the Bible and Christianity it does, but this is not necessarily true for all your fellow believers. Is not being humble a Christian virtue? The knowledge of scientists, to me, is often humbling. This does not mean I agree with them always or never questions their claims, but it also doesn't mean we should dismiss everything they say the minute it goes against a Biblical account you take literally.
Not all Biblical accounts are to be taken literally; the flooding of the earth in the times of Noah being a fine example. As I understand it, there was a historical flood in the days of Noah that struck a large portion of what is present-day Iraq. For men in the days of Noah, who had never ventured out of their little villages, it would have seemed as if the entirety of earth had flooded. When in actuality, it was only a small part of the world that was covered in water. Science has proven that there was indeed a flood, and many died, but it never killed all of humanity. Acknowleding this fact does not invalidate the message of the Biblical story.
Marcos, that is a game of semantics which you are using. Faith is belief. You can not redefine faith. Otherwise we will be unable to communicate, if you change the meaning of words at will. Faith is belief. One is a noun. The other is a verb. But they are the same.
Can you believe God and evolution as a true believer? I think the only way that would be possible is if that Christian had never read Genesis, or if their Pastor is an unbeliever himself and never preached on the Genesis stories. A true believer, a saved person, believes God's word. They do not think they are all illustrations. When God mentions a person by name, it is a real story which took place. When He just says "a man" it is probably a parable.
If God is real, if he is pure, then He is not a liar. If He says there was a flood, then there was one. That is faith.
There is real science, and then there is pseudo-science. Much of science is pseudo science, but they do not make any distinction between the two. Anything which can not be proven by observation and experimentation can not be science by their own definition.
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment:
Most of that pseudo science is accepted on faith, blind faith, the same kind that Bible believers have, except it is placed upon the fallible argumentation and "knowledge" of men, rather than the infallible truth of God. Do you recognize the difference?
In other words, many of those things which science asserts as truth can not be directly observed, neither are they reproducible or even subject to experimentation. It is conjecture, and when they find a hole in their magical theories, they invent other theories to plug those holes, which themselves can not be verified, reproduced or subject to any sort of real testing, other than more conjecture, which is only reinforced by repetition and consensus of the "scientific" community.
You people have way too much faith in the abilities and honesty of other humans. A human will lie for profit.
Does the fact that Freemasonry runs NASA mean nothing to any of you? Do you prefer the sweetness of lies over the bitterness and freedom of the truth?
Oh I know, just like with conspiracy theorists, anyone who believes the Bible is a nut. That is another gold nugget they have brainwashed people with.
Now do not have to believe the truth. You are free to reject truth.
A good man is above pettiness. He is better than that.