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Re: Water on Mars

Postby Adama » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:36 pm

The_Adventurer wrote:
MarcosZeitola wrote:Science has proven that there was indeed a flood, and many died, but it never killed all of humanity. Acknowleding this fact does not invalidate the message of the Biblical story.


No one ever mentions how people like the Anakim and Rephaim should have all been killed in the flood, if only eight people survived this event, yet they are somehow still hanging around in the time of Moses.


I think you have been misinformed. The people who survived the flood did not live to see Moses. Some of them were his ancestors though.

There is a flood story in practically every culture worldwide. That is because there was a flood when there were still only a few people on the earth. About four generations after the flood, they attempted to build the Tower of Babel, which was their way of defying God, saying to themselves that they could reach heaven under their own power, without God. That is when God separated humanity into different nations and languages and spread them throughout the earth.

That is why every culture has a flood story, because until right after the flood, everyone lived together in one community.

Also keep in mind that it's likely their DNA was less corrupted than ours, being only copied (self replicated with fewer errors) closer to Adam. Therefore lesser chances for genetic diseases which would arise from procreating with people closely related.
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Re: Water on Mars

Postby Ghost » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:39 am

After this thread, I'm really starting to wonder how important beliefs should be within a religion. I don't have a mainstream view of religion. Christianity, in modern times at least, concerns itself with beliefs, even doing so to the exclusion of morality. Sins are often pardoned without any change of heart (repentance) having to take place. Other forms preach financial prosperity, which cherry-picks bits of the Bible and has nothing to do with Christianity at heart. Creationists never made it past Genesis, apparently. And flat-earthers don't even apparently understand what an allegory really is or why an ancient religion would've told its stories that way.

My view is that instilling morality is the first purpose of religion. Your beliefs don't matter if you live your life like the beasts of the field. My hope is that somehow in my lifetime I will be able to find where morality and beliefs can coincide. The metaphysics matter too, because what does anything really matter if we're nothing but decaying matter flowing through space? In that case the good and the evil will perish together in a nihilistic universe.

The biggest problem religions have with beliefs is that they like to reinforce insane beliefs. Adama is a great example of that, eschewing all evidence contrary to his belief. If the religion says you must discount the physical evidence and ignore what your sense tell you and accept something insane, then that is beyond worthless; it's harmful. Religions teach beliefs about things we can't observe, things that don't have physical evidence - God, heaven, the afterlife, etc. What beliefs in these things don't require is denying physical reality that anyone can observe.

I think morality and belief need to be joined if the Truth is to be discovered, but I don't know how to do that.
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Re: Water on Mars

Postby Eightfold Path » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:48 am

Both interesting and disappointing if Buddhism is really the only intelligent religion out there. Some would say it's a philosophy and not even a religion. But I digress. I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
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Re: Water on Mars

Postby Adama » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:52 am

That meditation, which the gurus recommend so highly, only opens a person up to demonic possession. That is what opening the third eye is all about. It is opening the door to allow demons in. Once the door is opened, that door can not be closed.
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Re: Water on Mars

Postby MrMan » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:41 am

Adama wrote:That meditation, which the gurus recommend so highly, only opens a person up to demonic possession. That is what opening the third eye is all about. It is opening the door to allow demons in. Once the door is opened, that door can not be closed.


I don't believe in once a demoniac, always a demoniac (ODAD). Jesus cast demons out of people. He cast seven out of Mary Magdalene.
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Re: Water on Mars

Postby Adama » Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:13 pm

MrMan wrote:
Adama wrote:That meditation, which the gurus recommend so highly, only opens a person up to demonic possession. That is what opening the third eye is all about. It is opening the door to allow demons in. Once the door is opened, that door can not be closed.


I don't believe in once a demoniac, always a demoniac (ODAD). Jesus cast demons out of people. He cast seven out of Mary Magdalene.



The only way is if the person gets saved, or becomes a believer in Jesus Christ. Then the door will close. There is no other way.
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Re: Water on Mars

Postby Adama » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:03 pm

MrMan wrote:
Adama wrote:That meditation, which the gurus recommend so highly, only opens a person up to demonic possession. That is what opening the third eye is all about. It is opening the door to allow demons in. Once the door is opened, that door can not be closed.


I don't believe in once a demoniac, always a demoniac (ODAD). Jesus cast demons out of people. He cast seven out of Mary Magdalene.


For a long time, one of my older female relatives was complaining about a man breaking into her home every night. For a long time, I thought it was just lingering confusion from the dream state, but she always insisted the man was real. She had been making that complaint for years.

Then one day she said the man gave her instructions to swallow pills, which she said she followed. She took pills because a man told her to. But we had installed a camera system to monitor her complaints. There was no man who entered.

That's when it dawned on me. The magicians can hear the voices of *people* who aren't really there. They get their power from demons. Then it occurred to me that she may have a demonic spirit attached to her.

That makes sense, because sometimes as we would have conversations, in the beginning she would be herself with lucidity. After just a few questions (talking just two or three here), her personality and voice would change slightly, and she would become instantly more confused.

After about eight presentations of the gospel, with two of these being from a Bible believing pastor and his wife, she later got saved.

After that, she has never made a complaint about a strange man visiting her at night, she seems much more lucid, with fewer (or none that I have observed yet) episodes where she instantly becomes confused when I talk about religion, God or Jesus. (Jesus said that the Devil comes to snatch the word away when it is given, and I think that is partly why she would become so confused and change personality during religious conversations, to block her from receiving the gospel.)

So that door to her demonic spirit has been closed. No more hallucinations. No longer does a spirit command her to do anything. Because she believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that Salvation is by grace through faith and not of works (e.g. practicing and doing the law). Before she always claimed she believed Jesus, but she really only believed in keeping the law, and no flesh is justified by deeds of the law in the sight of God. That is also why Buddhism is a false religion. Buddhism is all about deeds of the law. It isnt even about faith. Being a good person, keeping the law to the best of your ability, sacraments, doctrines of men, none of those things can get a person into heaven. But she truly believed that she had to add to the work Jesus did on the cross by doing her own good deeds.
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