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Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby MarcosZeitola » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:12 pm

Yohan, the very first line of the second link you shared:

These young men don't want girlfriends; they don't want children; and they don't even want to have sex.


Followed by:

David Sherratt, 18, is a chemistry student at Cardiff University. He has never had a girlfriend and isn't planning on finding one. Not now. Not ever.
"Hook-up sex is too risky for words," he says. "Girls can wake up the next day and claim you raped them. I'm genuinely too scared to go near a woman — just in case. At university, I'm made to feel like a rapist all the time… I've never had a relationship and I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. It's just too dangerous."


This paints a very different picture from the one you are trying to sell. I am genuinely curious, answer me this: how large a percentage of young (18 to 30 y.o.) MGTOW's will ever marry or enter a serious relationship with a woman at home or abroad, and how many will ever have children? For all your emphasis on those who do, it does seem like the vast majority never will.

Why be dishonest about it, or dance around the subject? The risk averse lifestyle you promote young men to live, results in the vast majority of them dying alone. You know it. I know it. Why deny it?
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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby Yohan » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:42 pm

I was answering to jamesbond who said the following:

jamesbond wrote:
Yohan, why are you so obsessed with MGTOW when you are already married. Men who are MGTOW will even tell you that married men CANNOT be MGTOW.

You are not making any sense. MGTOW are men who want NOTHING to do with women. You are married and therefore according to your 'MGTOW philosophy' cannot be a MGTOW man yourself.


and so I pointed to an article, not written by MGTOW, which shows what he says is not true.

I also said, never any MGTOW-member in those forums I use since more than 10 years was telling me a married man cannot be MGTOW.

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About your question,

Marcos:
I am genuinely curious, answer me this: how large a percentage of young (18 to 30 y.o.) MGTOW's will ever marry or enter a serious relationship with a woman at home or abroad, and how many will ever have children?

It is not at home or abroad, to live 'in Western countries, especially Anglosphere' or to live elsewhere is not the same.

You find the answer in the same article, I gave to jamesbond, see below.

You also miss the point - you should ask WHY men are choosing MGTOW as their best possible way of life. WHAT IS IT which made men to accept MGTOW?

About myself, how could I ever consider marriage or a serious relationship with a Western woman? I never made it even up for a girlfriend for 30 minutes. So what made me MGTOW?

Not all young men are choosing MGTOW, they are forced to be MGTOW or are made MGTOW out of bad experiences by women, who are NOT their girlfriends or wives etc. - bad experiences with women like mother, sisters, female teachers, female class-mates or female co-workers, but also male feminists, manginas etc. etc. -

By far not all stuff related to MGTOW is about a sexual relationship with women. Why do you not understand this?

The evidence is mixed. Not all MGTOWs live like hermits. Some still have no-strings sex with women; others date and even marry. Others have vasectomies and have more sex than ever.

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the true MGTOW philosophy is not eschewing women, but saying, 'I'm a self-defined man, I don't care what women think. I'm going to live my life the way I see fit, and if you don't like it, you can go stuff yourself.' "


Let me add the following question in return and keep in mind we are talking about WESTERN countries, keep this in mind.
I am not talking about a guy from USA, who left a girl somewhere in the 3rd world with a baby ...

How large a percentage of men,

who are totally AGAINST MGTOW and will get married, but will be divorced within a few years?
who are totally AGAINST MGTOW and are now ex-husbands and will have to pay for children they will hardly see while they are still children?
who are totally AGAINST MGTOW and are now paying alimony and are financially ruined over decades?

If you are honest you will agree they are quite a lot of those men - many more than MGTOW - and they are not only between 18 to 30 years old...

In this sense, I advice all young men in Western countries to stay away from Western women. Laws are against men in that region. For sure instead of being divorced and pay for nothing - the better solution to be single, try to save money and check out the situation beyond the borders of your own country.

Nowadays young Western men already understand the feminist trap and are unwilling even to try. That's nice.
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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby jamesbond » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:30 pm

Yohan, I have NEVER heard a MGTOW guy say that it's OK to be married and be a MGTOW. Your the only person I have ever heard of who advocates that a man can be married and also be a MGTOW.

Listen to what this guy has to say about MGTOW guys who are also pro marriage. Being MGTOW and being married are NOT compatible.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DidlNOiDYZg[/youtube]
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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby Adama » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:11 am

I have been removing my subscriptions to MGTOWs and MRAs on YouTube. It is so nice not to see them anymore. These include KarenStraughn, JohnTheother and BenardChapin. Since I now realize that MGTOW is a psyop, just like feminism, to separate men from women, there is no longer any reason for me to bother listening to them. Everyone thinks Alex Jones is a fearmonger, but no one stops to think these activists are also the ultimate fearmongers. They sell fear porn.

And let me ask you, what would you think of a woman who watches feminist youtube videos constantly? Would you think she might be a little sick in the head to be a feminist? Well the same is true of the MGTOW/MRA. Think about the kind of people who are obsessed with feminism, flip the coin, and you'll realize what kind of people are MGTOW.
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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby Adama » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:14 am

MGTOW and MARRIAGE ARE NOT COMPATIBLE! They are not compatible.

He literally says it within the first 20 seconds.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeEVwKweus8[/youtube]
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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby Adama » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:18 am

jamesbond wrote:Yohan, I have NEVER heard a MGTOW guy say that it's OK to be married and be a MGTOW. Your the only person I have ever heard of who advocates that a man can be married and also be a MGTOW.

Listen to what this guy has to say about MGTOW guys who are also pro marriage. Being MGTOW and being married are NOT compatible.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DidlNOiDYZg[/youtube]



Ask yourself, who are the feminists? Well there are a few feminists like Sharon Stone, right? But the vast majority are closer to Andrea Dworkin. Just like feminism isnt a movement for normal women, MGTOW is not a movement for normal men. There's no way.


MGTOW and marriage are incompatible. It doesnt get any clearer than that.
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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby Yohan » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:11 am

jamesbond wrote:Yohan, I have NEVER heard a MGTOW guy say that it's OK to be married and be a MGTOW. Your the only person I have ever heard of who advocates that a man can be married and also be a MGTOW.


I have never heard since 10 years in the MGTOW-Forum where I have admin-rights and in another MGTOW Forum I use that it is NOT OK to be married with a foreign wife, to move away from the feminist region and not be considered as MGTOW anymore - more the opposite.

You can even read the article, I give you the link to an article
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Magazine/article1629220.ece

not even written by a MGTOW, who clearly writes about that opinions about this issues are mixed. Some are married, others live like hermits. We are not all the same.

You gave me a link to youtube and did you read the followup comments? Not everybody agrees with these videos of course.
Even this guy in this video says that there are 'a couple of MGTOW' who do not agree with him, and he clearly speaks about 'marriage IN THIS COUNTRY'.... he does not talk about relocation, about leaving the States or UK.

With the same logic - a married MGTOW is no MGTOW anymore, you might argue, a married feminist is no feminist anymore.
Isn't it you who claims MGTOW is exactly the opposite to feminism?
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Re: Are women really that bad as MGTOW like to point out?

Postby Yohan » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:42 am

Adama wrote:Ask yourself, who are the feminists? Well there are a few feminists like Sharon Stone, right? But the vast majority are closer to Andrea Dworkin. Just like feminism isnt a movement for normal women, MGTOW is not a movement for normal men. There's no way.


Ask yourself, who are the Christians? Well there are a few Christians like Billy Graham, right? But the vast majority are closer to the Pope in Rome.
Just like Christianity isn't a movement for normal men, Islam is not a movement for normal women. There's no way.

As you see you can turn your sentence into any direction which fits the author. You contradict yourself, Adama.

Personally I think, a Christian who does not follow the Pope is not a Christian anymore.
In the same way you consider me not to be MGTOW, I consider you not to be a Christian believer.
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