In much of Asia and other sane societies, it is perfectly normal for married men to have sex with hookers. Indeed hookers are essential to a functional society.MrMan wrote:But it implies it's okay for a man to go to hookers.
I'm wondering how this is going to work out for you. I mean, usually girls who meet these criteria are looking for a man who fit their criteria. How many virgins want to be with a guy who thinks its okay to sleep with a hooker?
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Without hookers, where will the married women get their diseases? If there are no hookers, the vaginal itch cream manufacturers might lose business.
I lived in Indonesia. A married man who slept with hookers would be considered a bad husband. Most women there wouldn't want to marry men like that. But it was expected that wives would have sex with their husbands and society seemed to have a positive attitude toward that idea.
Without hookers, men might be tempted to hit on normal females, thus turning them into sluts and adulteresses over time, which would cause them to contract diseases.
Indonesia is mainly Sunni Islam. The only religions that oppose prostitution are Sunni Islam, Talmudic Judaism, and Liberalism. Prostitution is tolerated in Shia Islam, traditional Christianity (see Thomas Aquinas), non-Talmudic Judaism, and all eastern religions as far as I know.
And even these prohibitions were fairly situational. For example the Koran says a man should only have sex with his wives and bond-maids. Well, for its original target audience of desert patriarchs with four wives and several bond-maids kidnapped from other tribes this is all well and good, but it perhaps needs to be modified a little for other societies.
The Bible is clearly against Christians engaging in prostitution (e.g. I Corinthians 6.) I seem to recall Aquinas arguing for allowing it to exist in society.
Indonesians are generally non-polygamist. Polygamy is technically legal for Muslims, but historically the government has not allowed polygamists to be government employees, and polygamy is rather unusual. Prostitution is considered to be immoral.
Same here, my last girlfriend was a virgin and I'm so glad I left her. Looking back no wonder why her parents were so happy to see me. I was the sucker they thought who would take their daughter off their hands.
My x had huge emotional and sociological issues in addition to she never cooked, cleaned or offered to help me with anything. She swore she was such a big shot and talked down to me every chance she could get. Never met such as selfish person in my life.
Now she is a overweight c**t living somewhere in San FranSICKO blogging online about feminist BS..
No matter how you slice it, marriage is legalized prostitution. Marriage is just a long term lease where as solicitation of escorts is short term rental.
No woman gives herself away for free! Married women by far cost the most over time but it's something most men seem to put up with because most men have a hard time living alone.
Reproductively speaking there isn't a marketplace of alternative arrangements. I think someone here once posted about a soccer player who paid a woman to have his kid. He then continued dating but not marrying his supermodel girlfriend who I guess will end up playing a surrogate mother role. That's playing things very safe but it's not an ideal arrangement.
That sounds like feminist propaganda from the 1960's. You have too broad a definition of prostitution. The difference between marriage and prostitution is that the husband and wife (theoretically) commit to stay together permanently. She's not supposed to take money to sleep with another man the next night. He's not supposed to stop providing for her after sleeping with her once.
In a sense marrying a woman costs more, but it is also possible to experience gains overtime if one makes a good choice.
True, a husband and wife agree to be in a monogamous relationship, but a woman will only enter that arrangement if the male demonstrates and agrees to provide for her, and her family, financially.
Just recently I was talking to an Indian guy I met and I was asking him about Indian culture and he told me over in India it's customary for an Indian man to give his bride gold and all kinds of jewelry to his bride before marriage. He said his friend gave his bride over 50k in gold before he got married.
No disrespect to women, but a man doesn't really make gains over time with a wife because that woman becomes older and more costly over time. The first childfree 2-3 years of marriage is about as good as it will get.
It's not only OK, it's essential in order to have a civilized society. Who are you to go against such a history-tested tradition?
She doesn't need to know. Women don't need much information.
Understanding and accepting that men will use p4p is not the same as being interested in a man because he has used p4p.
That's a bride price, not prostitution. That's a fairly common thing in cultures of the world. Marriage is an honorable thing. Prostitution isn't. Marriage is a fair, appropriate thing to do, and doesn't spread venereal disease if sex remains only in marriage.
No disrespect to women, but a man doesn't really make gains over time with a wife because that woman becomes older and more costly over time. The first childfree 2-3 years of marriage is about as good as it will get.[/quote]
Even in terms of dollars and cents, a wise choice of a wife can be a good deal economically. Of course, a good wife can be a good choice economically in terms of 'utility'-- which isn't measured in dollars and cents. But even in terms of dollars and cents.
If she works, of course she can bring money into the household. But if a man can afford for his wife to be a housewife, she can be more valuable to him than if he were single. Let's start with something obvious: sex. Let's say a man can have sex with his wive 20 times a month. I've never gone to a prostitute, so I don't know the prices, but at $50, that's $1000 a month for sex 20 times. At $100, it's $2000. If the couple live frugally in some parts of the country, a man could keep his wife up for $1000 a month, but that's kind of low. But there are other considerations. When he starts having to pay for doctor's visits and HIV medication from having gone to so many prostitutes, the wife becomes cheaper. Having guilt free sex without sinning is also something you can't put a price tag on. Having sex with a wife who actually loves you is also valuable and you can't put a price tag on it. In classical economics, these things could be assigned value in terms of 'utility', though dollar and sense would be hard to measure.
What about having children? How much would you have to pay a surrogate? $50,000? That's not counting the normal hospital bills. If you are married, your insurance can help cover that. I don't know how that would work with a surrogate. If she won't give you the child and you sue or if she fights for custody later, how much does that cost?
And what about cooking and cleaning? There are women out there who believe in cooking for their husbands. My wife's cooking is better than most of the food we could get in restaurants. We don't eat out much aside from pizza and the occasional burger and fries. It's just disappointing. If I were to spend enough money to get food that tastes that good out of the home, I don't know how much more I would spend. It could cost as much as being married to my wife does every month, and I wouldn't get sex for eating at these places, or love, and the waitress won't come clean my house.
What would a full-time maid cost a month, $1500? I suppose you could hire a nanny, but I don't know if they will take care of babies and children like a mother will. I haven't heard of wetnurses hiring out their services these days. You could hire a nanny and give a baby formula, but the real thing is better for babies. How can you put a price tag on the mother feeding your child real mother's milk?
And what about child care, not only the cost of a baby sitter, but the time put in to actually finding one? You can assign a value to child care, but how do you assign a value to opportunity costs of missed opportunities for not finding child care?
And how do you assign a value to having family, to having someone who will be there when you get home that you can actually talk to? I suppose you can try to live in mom and dad's basement or go through a series of roommates. Parents are great to have, but it isn't quite the same.
And how do you put a value on having someone you love who actually loves you back, and not just mom or dad, and not puppy, kitten, or goldfish, of course? But someone whose love includes that romantic aspect?
A study done in Germany showed that men who kissed their wives in the morning earned more money. Having a good wife motivates a man to achieve more in life.
Prostitutes can provide sex (with sin and disease) and conversation. You may be able to find one who loves you, but then sleeps with another guy. I wife can give you so many things that are much more valuable.
Protestants started a trend of outlawing prostitution. Protestant societies brought us a lot of technological advancement.
If she's got any sense, she'll ask questions or at least indirectly try to find out what kind of man you are. Are you going to lie to her if she flat out asks you about your sexual history? Are you going to sneak out and be with prostitutes after you get married? How will that turn out?
Are you going to have to basically con the poor girl into marrying you?
If you are looking for a girl with very high moral standards when it comes to sex, it is unlikely that she will have low moral standards when it comes to the type of husband she chooses. Maybe you can trick a poor girl like this into marrying you. If you don't want to do that, there are girls with good moral standards who will accept a man who used to have bad morals when it comes to sex in the past, but repented.
On a practical level, sleeping with prostitutes is, and should be, a big problem for wives. But you also have to stand before Lord for it on the day of judgment, which is a big issue.
For a lot of 'nice girls' with common sense, finding out that a suitor sleeps with prostitutes is enough for her to say 'next'. It should be too.
You speak of Protestantism as thought it is some consistent thing. It isn't. There is a big difference between the moral Puritans and today's liberal feminist Protestants. Protestantism was fine until the Second and Third Great Awakening. The Third Great Awakening brought us women's suffrage, prohibition, opposition to science, and outlawing prostitution. It made Protestantism into pure evil. Prostitution was only outlawed in the early 1900s, around when women got the vote. It was earlier Protestantism that caused the Enlightenment and "brought us a lot of technological advancement".