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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Mr Natural » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:12 pm

MarcosZeitola wrote:obsessing too much over the sexual relations of women will get you; absolutely nothing in life. The only viable route for you at this point would be to convert to Islam. Surely getting a young virgin wife would be a lot less hard that way.


Haha so funny. But as they say, many a truth is spoken in jest.

Ghost wrote: ALTHOUGH IT HASN'T BEEN CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN to be the case in humans, I think that telegony does happen in humans. A woman retains the "genetic backwash" of her prior men. In other words, if you procreate with a non-virgin woman, your children with her will also have the genes of other men.


I have heard of this telegony stuff before, it originates from Greek mythology and frankly doesn't make sense either biologically or genetically. Numerous people have tried to find proof or evidence of this and all have failed. For you to say that "children will have the genes of other men" just isn't based on reality. But if you want to determine your life decisions on mythology, you won't be alone in society.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Ghost » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:43 pm

Mr Natural wrote:I have heard of this telegony stuff before, it originates from Greek mythology and frankly doesn't make sense either biologically or genetically. Numerous people have tried to find proof or evidence of this and all have failed. For you to say that "children will have the genes of other men" just isn't based on reality. But if you want to determine your life decisions on mythology, you won't be alone in society.


Whether telegony in humans happens or not is ultimately immaterial for me. I will only marry a virgin based in principle alone. That is the most rational and moral thing to do. But if you want to determine your life decisions on immorality, you won't be alone in society.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Cornfed » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:45 pm

There has been evidence of telegony posted here.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby fightforlove » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:09 am

In theory, I'd take the cute virgin probably every day of the week. Female virginity/inexperience is a very valuable thing for reasons already well articulated by other posters in this thread. I'm dating a virgin, her inexperience shows often, but she has a lot of sexual enthusiasm and physical attraction/chemistry with me. She has no baggage, no weird hang ups or ex-bfs that she still yearns for.

That said, you have to take this on a case by case basis in reality. There are some girls who are virgins partly on account of low libido. I've met a few girls like this. I'd rather date a non virgin with sexual interest and who's previous sexual activity was limited to 2-3 isolated, tepid incidents, like a lame high school boyfriend or something of the sort. If it was unremarkable sex/experience, and she's clearly moved on, I could deal with it, as I believe girls like this are still decent prospects. It's when the sex was very indelible, the partner count is more than 2 or 3 isolated incidents, and was a pattern of conscious promiscuity, that we run into problems. I've met/dated women like this also. Women with extensive sexual histories are mostly incapable of becoming true wife material women, and ironically many also have a low sexual interest, due to all the hang ups, baggage from their sexual past.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Mr Natural » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:08 am

Cornfed wrote:There has been evidence of telegony posted here.


No, there hasn't. There has never been any evidence of it happening with humans anywhere in the world, much less here on this forum.

Ghost wrote:... if you want to determine your life decisions on immorality ....


It would seem that it is you who are basing decisions on morality much more than I. And I do understand that aspect of it to an extent. The consensus opinion here though, including yours, is that not being a virgin means you are a slut and an immoral person. There seems to be no ambiguity, it's one or the other. And that does beg the question - are YOU a virgin? So does that mean YOU are immoral? Now I don't mean to insinuate that men and women are the same, but nevertheless there is quite the double standard going on here. So you have never made a mistake? You have never been lied to or talked into doing something that you shouldn't have? Not even once?

Whenever I hear this kind of talk about how only virgins are acceptable, it always reminds me of the old story about the man who searched the world over for the perfect woman. But when he finally found her it turned out she was looking for the perfect man. (For those who don't understand, he wasn't perfect himself, so ...)
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby GoingAwol » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:42 pm

Me personally? I'd rather have a woman that is neither a slut or a virgin, but somewhere in between. And yes, a woman who isn't a virgin can be a good woman that is wife material. I briefly dated 2 virgins and they were overly religious basket cases and they came with a lot of baggage (Their psycho religious families). One of them grilled me about my sexual past and accused me of having kids out of wedlock and being a deadbeat dad! Which is so far from the truth that it isn't even funny! I was living a life of involuntary celibacy and still am! How could I have a child if I was never sexually active to begin with?? Also, these virgin women had meddling parents that tried to turn their daughters against me. I can do without all of that drama.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Ghost » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:07 am

Mr Natural wrote:It would seem that it is you who are basing decisions on morality much more than I.


Every human being does. That's what life is: a series of (moral) choices. Failing to recognize what matters and what does not does not free one from the gravity of those choices.

There seems to be no ambiguity, it's one or the other.


How many people must a man kill before he is considered a murderer? What we do matters.

And that does beg the question - are YOU a virgin?


Not this tired bullshit again, which has been rehashed in the forum many a time.
That isn't the point. Men and women are to be held to different sexual standards because they are different. Asking if a man is a virgin when he wants a virgin wife is like a feminist saying sexual equality exists. It's absurd on its face. It's not a "double standard." It's a different standard entirely.

Whenever I hear this kind of talk about how only virgins are acceptable, it always reminds me of the old story about the man who searched the world over for the perfect woman. But when he finally found her it turned out she was looking for the perfect man. (For those who don't understand, he wasn't perfect himself, so ...)


I never said anything about the "perfect woman." Virginity is a rational and needed standard to hold for taking a woman in marriage. That's nothing like saying she must be "perfect," whatever that means.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby travelsouth » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:38 am

Well Latin America at least is not loaded with virgins. My girl had two boyfriends in all her hs, college, and professional life. She had been single for a few years before meeting me. I'd say you have to evaluate each woman individually. It's all about balance. It's nice to encounter a woman with a little bit of a experience in life so that she appreciates what you bring to the relationship. But at the same time you don't want a girl with a ton of baggage. Obviously we can also see the potential downfall of women that have zero life experience. Or I suppose it all could work out. Point being you aren't perfect and neither is she.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby GoingAwol » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:22 am

travelsouth wrote:Obviously we can also see the potential downfall of women that have zero life experience.

Yep!
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Jonny Law » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:50 pm

Having to look at the same face every f***ing day can get old. Even if she is hot.

It depends but I think the best odds are to go for the cute virgin.

How well she cooks, cleans and follows my orders is also important.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Cornfed » Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:59 am

Jonny Law wrote:Having to look at the same face every f***ing day can get old. Even if she is hot.

It depends but I think the best odds are to go for the cute virgin.

How well she cooks, cleans and follows my orders is also important.

Indeed, where is the old wisdom, cookin' lasts kissin' don't, they all look the same when you stand 'em on their heads etc.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby droid » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:45 am

travelsouth wrote:Well Latin America at least is not loaded with virgins. My girl had two boyfriends in all her hs, college, and professional life. She had been single for a few years before meeting me.


No virgins over 15 over there that's for sure.
ALL Colombian girls will tell you they've only had two boyfriends lol.
And you do know what "single" means these days right?


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mrnatural wrote:And that does beg the question - are YOU a virgin?
Not this tired bullshit again, which has been rehashed in the forum many a time.
That isn't the point. Men and women are to be held to different sexual standards because they are different. Asking if a man is a virgin when he wants a virgin wife is like a feminist saying sexual equality exists. It's absurd on its face. It's not a "double standard." It's a different standard entirely.


Exactly, very concise.

As far as the OP, i consider virgins these days pretty much unicorns, i don't even see it as an available option. I might be wrong.
So it's about what's least bad for you, either whacking off alone into old age, or compromising and getting a girl who's had some (the least) guys before. Some guys would be ok with the former, i think i would prefer the latter.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Mr Natural » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:49 am

Ghost wrote:Men and women are to be held to different sexual standards because they are different.


I clearly said that they are different, the double standard I am referring to here is automatically branding them as immoral sluts because of even a single affair. If you read all the posts here that seemed to be the general consensus, and I just haven't found the world to be quite so black and white when it comes to making judgements about people.

droid wrote:So it's about what's least bad for you, either whacking off alone into old age, or compromising and getting a girl who's had some (the least) guys before. Some guys would be ok with the former, i think i would prefer the latter.


One thing that hasn't been brought up in this thread is age. The OP was just talking about looks, but is there an age (ours) where we realistically lose this choice? Suppose you are 55 or 6o or 65 for example, is it realistic to be insisting on a virgin wife? How big of an age gap would you be willing to go with to achieve this? Hey I love those 18 year olds as much as anybody, at least physically, but at my age I'm not so sure about marrying one. Depending on the country involved, how low in the age range would you generally need to confine your search for a reasonable chance of success? For all of us who are older, and we are probably in the majority on a forum like this, the age gap issue really has to be taken into consideration in conjunction with this one. I guess the answers to this vary with the individual, but would be interesting to hear just the same.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby Ghost » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:06 pm

I clearly said that they are different, the double standard I am referring to here is automatically branding them as immoral sluts because of even a single affair. If you read all the posts here that seemed to be the general consensus, and I just haven't found the world to be quite so black and white when it comes to making judgements about people.


You clearly gave me bullshit that's been refuted a million times. You say you know that they are different but you demonstrate your lack of understanding.
Some things are black or white. Sometimes there are no shades of grey.

How many dicks must a woman take before being considered a slut? How many people must a man kill before being considered violent? How many owners must a car have before being considered used?

It always astounds me how many men would accept a used woman as a wife. You wouldn't pay full price for a used car. You wouldn't secure your door with a lock that can opened by many keys. Yet in this all important decision, they'll accept shit.
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Re: Marry a cute virgin or a model non-virgin?

Postby droid » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:32 am

Ghost wrote:You clearly gave me bullshit that's been refuted a million times. You say you know that they are different but you demonstrate your lack of understanding.
Some things are black or white. Sometimes there are no shades of grey.

How many dicks must a woman take before being considered a slut? How many people must a man kill before being considered violent? How many owners must a car have before being considered used?

It always astounds me how many men would accept a used woman as a wife. You wouldn't pay full price for a used car. You wouldn't secure your door with a lock that can opened by many keys. Yet in this all important decision, they'll accept shit.


I think there are shades of gray. I mean, i understand, in mathematical terms there's a big discontinuity between 0 and 1, but there is a progression from there up. Obviously if you have to evaluate, you'd say the the girl with one bang is much, much less of a slut than the one with the 1000-CS, to the point where she might not be considered a "slut", well obviously standards can fall pretty low like nowadays. lol

Same for the murderers, if i'm in prison i'd rather associate with the one with the least body count haha.

Again i mean this from my point of view that virgins are unicorns now. So a guy that is not willing to whack off to porn into old age has to choose from within the continuous part of the curve and evaluate the shades of gray.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
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