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Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby MattHanson1990 » February 18th, 2016, 7:21 pm

Just 10 days ago, the daddygov imposed another travel barrier, and that is another version of Megan's Law. It now gives the President the authority to inform other countries about registered sex offenders entering their borders. And it also now requires that people who are registered sex offenders to inform law enforcement about upcoming trips abroad at least 21 days in advance. America, what is it with your plan to ban international travel or at least ban travel to countries that still have decent women? The passport revocation for those who owe the IRS $50,000 is one thing, but it seems like Megan's Law is going too far. Now there has to be a way to renounce US citizenship quick and naturalize oneself in another country without going through many hoops.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby Yohan » February 18th, 2016, 9:03 pm

UK is about the same as USA, and Sweden of course - The best is to have nothing to do with Western women - no private conversation - no social media sharing with them etc. and this will reduce the chance to be accused as a sex-offender considerably. However even boys as young as 5 year old have been accused of sex-crimes. Totally ridiculous. Nobody knows any more, what is a sex-crime. I remember a man pissing behind a tree in a parking lot during night, nobody there except a CCTV, what he did is also a sex-crime...

To give up the US citizenship is possible - not a bad idea, but only if you really see a chance to change it with something better, and this is not easy. Not so much choice. To relocate however to another country, foreign wife, overseas employment etc. makes a lot of sense even if you keep the US-nationality, just my opinion.

Even in wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender_registries_in_the_United_States

Depending on jurisdiction, offenses requiring registration range in their severity from public urination or adolescent sexual experimentation with peers, to violent rape and murder of children. In a few states non-sexual offenses such as unlawful imprisonment requires sex offender registration.[4] According to Human Rights Watch, children as young as 9 have been placed on the registry;[5][6] juvenile offenders account for 25 percent of registrants.[7]


A non-sexual offense requires sex offender registration? Children 9 year old are sex-criminals? That's absurd.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby Katmandu » March 3rd, 2016, 1:54 am

The best thing to do is to leave while you still can.

I have been to Europe before. I was on a bus and the driver pulled into a parking area along the highway for a pee break which was find a tree, mark your territory, then get back on the bus.

In the US that would be 30 new registered sex offenders because the US is too stupid to tell the difference between a child molester and someone who went behind a tree.

If that won't make someone realize that the US is screwed up beyond repair then I don't know what would.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby HouseMD » March 3rd, 2016, 3:45 am

I'm okay with registered sex offenders having to jump through hoops to go abroad. Wouldn't you want registered sex offenders being screened before coming to your country? I mean, if you're not a pedophile or a rapist, you'd probably agree that it's a pretty reasonable measure to protect innocent people from a potential rapist.

Now, as to the $50,000 revocation of a passport- I believe that to be unethical, as there's a lot of ways to end up owing that amount without not paying taxes. A great example of this is student loan debt forgiveness- when your loan debt is forgiven, you owe an amount in taxes equal to if the amount owed were income, so if you had 100k in student loans forgiven, you'd owe approximately 38k in taxes. Given that a lot of professional students have 200-400k in loans these days, that effectively traps them in this country if they ever opt to use debt forgiveness, which feels pretty unethical given that they didn't actually earn any income to be taxed.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby Katmandu » March 3rd, 2016, 6:19 am

If I were in charge of a foreign country I would not want to allow actual child molesters and actual rapists into my country either. However a good reason to leave the US is because when it comes to laws this country has gone completely mad.

However I don't agree that it's a "reasonable measure" because while I believe innocent people need to be protected from actual rapists and actual child molesters I don't believe people need to be protected from somebody who had sex with a class mate when they were freshmen in high school. I also don't believe people need to be protected from someone who went behind a tree.

In 29 states people below the the statutory age are automatically "sex offenders" even though they had consensual sex. This is just as dumb as a 20 year old being charged with DUI for having a BAC of 0.01 while a 21 year old driving with a BAC of 0.07 is perfectly fine.

Arizona, California, Connecticut, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont are all states where going behind a tree can earn you a spot on the sex offender registry.

Alabama, Kansas, Michigan, Oregon, Tennesse, and West Virginia are all states where getting a hooker can earn you a spot on the sex offender registry.

If they're going to destroy a person's life over going behind a tree, then what else are they going to use to destroy people's lives in the future?

For me I don't think it's a good idea to stick around and find out.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby HouseMD » March 3rd, 2016, 1:37 pm

Katmandu wrote:If I were in charge of a foreign country I would not want to allow actual child molesters and actual rapists into my country either. However a good reason to leave the US is because when it comes to laws this country has gone completely mad.

However I don't agree that it's a "reasonable measure" because while I believe innocent people need to be protected from actual rapists and actual child molesters I don't believe people need to be protected from somebody who had sex with a class mate when they were freshmen in high school. I also don't believe people need to be protected from someone who went behind a tree.

In 29 states people below the the statutory age are automatically "sex offenders" even though they had consensual sex. This is just as dumb as a 20 year old being charged with DUI for having a BAC of 0.01 while a 21 year old driving with a BAC of 0.07 is perfectly fine.

Arizona, California, Connecticut, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Utah, and Vermont are all states where going behind a tree can earn you a spot on the sex offender registry.

Alabama, Kansas, Michigan, Oregon, Tennesse, and West Virginia are all states where getting a hooker can earn you a spot on the sex offender registry.

If they're going to destroy a person's life over going behind a tree, then what else are they going to use to destroy people's lives in the future?

For me I don't think it's a good idea to stick around and find out.

While the laws are, in many cases, ridiculous and should be changed, the simple fact remains that the majority of people I the sex offender registry are there for legitimate reasons, from child pornography to legit statutory rape to straight up rape and child molestation.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby Ghost » March 3rd, 2016, 9:34 pm

"Most" isn't good enough for such a severe matter, just the same as saying that "most" people on death row deserve to be there.

Most may be acceptable in some cases, but this is not one of them.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby HouseMD » March 3rd, 2016, 9:38 pm

Ghost wrote:"Most" isn't good enough for such a severe matter, just the same as saying that "most" people on death row deserve to be there.

Most may be acceptable in some cases, but this is not one of them.

Well, this isn't any of us, and won't become any of us if we're not dumb enough to have sex with an underage girl or commit a sex crime of some sort, so I'm really not that concerned.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby Ghost » March 3rd, 2016, 11:31 pm

That's not the point.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby HouseMD » March 3rd, 2016, 11:37 pm

Ghost wrote:That's not the point.

I'm just thinking practically about the issue. If it doesn't matter for anyone here or anyone I've ever personally known, I'm pretty hard pressed to care.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby Ghost » March 3rd, 2016, 11:42 pm

HouseMD wrote:If it doesn't matter for anyone here or anyone I've ever personally known, I'm pretty hard pressed to care.


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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby HouseMD » March 3rd, 2016, 11:52 pm

Ghost wrote:
HouseMD wrote:If it doesn't matter for anyone here or anyone I've ever personally known, I'm pretty hard pressed to care.


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The problem with humanity is that it isn't worth saving, Ghost. I stopped caring a while ago.
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Re: Megan's Law travel restriction

Postby Dragon » March 4th, 2016, 4:38 am

Lol how many of you guys are sex offenders? I would say 50%.
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