Welcome to our new upgraded phpbb 3.2 forum! The upgrade is now complete. See announcement and new features here, or report any problems or issues here. Enjoy the new forum.
Join John Adams, world renowned Intl Matchmaker, Monday nights 8:30 EST for Live Webcasts!
And check out Five Reasons why you should attend a FREE AFA Seminar! See locations and dates here.
View Active Topics View Your Posts Latest 100 Topics FAQ Topics
Discuss and talk about any general topic.
It feeds right into the nwo plans of division and divide and conquer ...more division among the sexes, genders. I know it sounds really good, and like retribution for all those angry nasty feminists that never put out - but, I - like a lot of others - think that the truther movements have been infiltrated by agents already, the PUA and mgtow stuff....and this whole hook up culture is part of it.
I'm saying that doing this is not going to feel good. It's going to cause a war already to be worse than it is between sexes. That's what they want. ...I know, I fell for this conditioning, and still do from time to time, especially reading these forums. It gets in you...makes you feel mad and feel like you need to go out and have sex with lots of girls to feel normal or okay. It makes you mad, but anything that rests on a contingency is going to make you always feel upset and empty/hollow especially, because you're always chasing something - and you don't get it, you get mad. This is already starting to happen to me, and I feel "I deserve" and I don't get it.... it makes me even madder at feminists and more depressed at my life.
Yeah - that would feel really good...but we can see how that leads to feeling really bad; especially because we never get that.
I don't know. I think that the more we just stay normal baseline...treating eachother with respect as it's always been. The healthier and more normal a chance we have between male/female.
Misery and happiness are only states of mind.
MGTOW is an anti-life philosophy that promises men a false liberty. Death and loneliness is freedom in MGTOW. In feminism, abortion, refusing to marry, being a slut, and disobeying their husbands is their philosophy. Both encourage hatred of the opposite sex, and advocate either complete avoidance or using women in serial fashion for sport. Interestingly, feminists also believe in using men for sport. It is the same philosophy. Just one is tweaked for men, the other is tweaked for women. Sure one has government support and the other is underground, but their motives and objectives are the same.
Just like Satan didn't just give us Buddhism, he also gave us Islam, Catholicism, Jainism, Hinduism, etc. If a person hasn't gotten confused by feminism, well there is also a chance they could become ensnared by her brother philosophy of MGTOW. It is just another means of dividing and conquering, just like every false religion emphasizes work to get to heaven, leading many down the broad way to hell.
Feminism is a Satanic ideology especially, if you see they believe in death, especially murdering the unborn. Don't Satanists do that?
Feminism advocates freedom for women by usurping the authority of the husband, just as Satan promised Eve, the woman, false liberty in the Garden of Eden.
Feminism comes out of communism, which blatantly states it wants to destroy the family and civilization.
Most feminists are atheists or believe in false religion (same thing) or have a different Jesus than the one of the Bible (one they can live with rather than the real one).
Feminism is sponsored by secret intelligence services.
Most women do not even know they are "feminists" but they are. Especially the younger girls. It's so sad...seeing so many pretty faces and perfectly good girls, just being untouchable & damaged/unreachable, full of poison, and full of so many problems...
I have to remember that things are so degraded now - that this is not the norm. Sex sex sex in our society, is not the norm...in any society. This is an anomaly, but we've been surrounded by it, for so long that we see it as "normal"...and have lost our perspective.
That, even though it's tempting - I can't go around banging every chick I see, just unrestricted sex all the time...even though I want to. It's kind of funny that even in this filth society, where everyone's getting laid left and right - I'm not somehow the only fit, handsome, attractive guy that's not. Just makes me feel like complete shit. Just to remember that we are floating in an iceberg of artificial demonic porn-induced filth, it helps me to keep some balance...
Misery and happiness are only states of mind.
I've gotten into some conversations with MGTOWs. The philosophy does seem similar to feminism: seeing men (instead of women) as victims, hating women (instead of men), thinking all women are evil (instead of men). A lot of them also insult instead of making rational arguments. They seem brainwashed with their philosophy, treating it like a religion.
It's a philosophy based on fear. If a man just doesn't want to marry or have any kind of romantic relationship, I don't see a problem with that. But when men would like to marry and have kids, but don't because of divorce rates and the messed up family legal system, that's making decisions based on fear. If half of marriages in the US end in divorce, then the other half don't. If a man wants to marry, he can be selective to see how he can marry into the better 50%, and he could still marry an American. The MGTOW argument against marriage sounds like an argument not to fly because your plane might crash, not to drive because you might get car jacked, or not to eat food that tastes good because you might get cancer.
Most MGTOW arguments break down when you consider the argument of marrying a woman overseas or living overseas in a different legal system. The argument against marriage is divorce and giving up half your belongings and child support. Point out that this doesn't happen in a lot of other countries which it is possible to live in, and they still religiously hold to MGTOW. It doesn't make sense.
And a lot of them rely on name calling, trying to shame those who disagree with them. It's a stupid thing to be radical about, IMO.
It depends though. Is she a feminist at heart and she sincerely means it? Or is she just saying normal nonsense that women say about men? For example, I lived with two sisters once, and the one sister was going on about how she hates men a couple of times. She would say it when she would get frustrated, but I never took it for her meaning that she literally hates men. Kinda like if someone were to say What am I going to do with you? See I think that is normal to have a little bit of conflict between the sexes.
Now if she is angry about it and she sincerely means those things that she says, or it is over-the-top, or she otherwise has a chip on her shoulder, then you know that is a feminist and your magic touch is not going to turn her into a purring kitten afterward. In other words, if she has been deeply indoctrinated and believes it (as in she is a serious women's advocate or social justice warrior) or if she has a chip on her shoulder and tends to get angry quickly and for little reason but especially over matters of fairness and equality, then you know to get away.
I think it is obvious to spot feminists. Look for the hair shorter than neck length, the ball crushing attitude, the lack of feminine delicacy, beauty and grace, a commanding and bossy type of voice and sometimes a masculine demeanor. Pretty much any woman that doesn't come off as sweet and feminine in attitude, voice tones, dress and hair. Then look to see if she is submissive or whether she wants to boss you. If she seeks to please you, you've won the jackpot. If she ignores your requests or worse gives you commands, then she is a woman who expects to be the boss, in other words a de facto feminist rather than a card carrying feminist.
For example, if some chick has long hair, but it is dyed an unreal red color with one side of her head shaved off, and you notice she has tattoos all up and down both forearms and upper arms, do you run towards that woman? What is she trying to tell the world? What kind of "uniform" is she wearing?
I think people either consciously or unconsciously mold themselves to the groups they want to belong to, to signal to strangers among that group saying "Hey, I am one of you."
Just use your sense and you'll be fine.
The divorce rates are a red herring. The men who join MGTOW usually aren't upset because they got crushed in a divorce. It is usually that they can't get laid. Then they get indoctrinated with MGTOW which brings with it the realization of how screwed up the legal system is. That then becomes the excuse, but that wasn't the reason they joined in the first place. You can see this whenever a MGTOW gets a woman, the vast majority of the time that man will disappear from the internet radar. He will be gone faster than you can count from 0 to 60. If it was the legal system then getting a woman wouldn't make them resign from MGTOW. They deceive themselves.
I was one of those young men who stumbled upon this male feminism philosophy. Along with being ill for most of my 20s, I gave myself this snare called MGTOW, which caused me to overlook almost every beautiful American woman that came my way because I saw them as terrible people when I didn't even know them. I bet every one of those beautiful women either was a decent woman or maybe with a little nudging in the right direction they could become what their husband wants them to be.
Now that I realize the man has more authority in the relationship than both feminists and MGTOW would have us believe. But I only learned about male authority after I got out there and interacting with women. Then I began to notice. There are some women who will never be attracted to me (most), there are some women who are attracted to me but want to be the boss or use me (say for child support or just a baby and then abandoning me), then there are a few women who would love to please the right man. They are just waiting for the right man.
That is the part that MGTOW and feminists dont want men to see. They do not want men to see that there are a few women out there who are naturally submissive and naturally seek to please their men, without the man forcing them. I call those women treasures. Feminists call them doormats. MGTOW say they don't and can't exist or that it is a trick which will be revealed after it's too late. Neither can accept a good thing, because they are against traditional relationships or any proper and functioning relationship whatsoever.
Yet when they go marry a foreign woman and bring her back, they can't see the reason they get along with foreign women better is simply because they are more compliant and less fussy, the way women were meant to be.
That's why I think American men have gotten exactly what they deserve. They have the women they deserve because they are a bunch of fools who are either feminist or mangina, who put women on pedestals and make themselves second class citizens along with every other man by enforcing the feminist cultural narrative.
That's also why I am perplexed about forming communities with other men. Do these men seriously want to form a community with the other men of this mindset? That would be crazy to invite the psychos from the internet world into the real life world, so they can do their backstabbing mangina activities to you in person rather than in private messages.
Last edited by Adama on May 1st, 2016, 11:57 am, edited 1 time in total.
Look for submissive women who are looking to please their man. Avoid women who are not willing to please.
On an MGTOW site, there was this older man who claimed this is not possible because women change over time. But then you realize that that man doesn't know what he's talking about. He also talks about when he was five minutes late coming home from work, that his live in girlfriend would immediately call him demanding to know where he was and that he come home at once. See, he was with a woman who would do that him, but he didn't put a stop for it. He just accepted that as normal. Then he was surprised when he found out that she isn't a nice person.
But he didn't believe in picking a submissive woman, because if a woman is submissive, it's a temporary trick to fools like him, rather than evidence that she'd make a good partner. So he doesn't bother screening women on that criteria and ends up with a bossy, gold digging woman who wants to control his every movement, while she herself is planning her next hypergamous monkey branching to the another old, rich fool who wants to be controlled by a woman.
I swear if you didn't know better, you'd question how these idiots put up with crap from women because they're manginas and believe that is the only way it could be. Submissive women are bad and abnormal to fools, but I say it is the exact opposite. Women were meant to be submissive. It's healthy for women to be this way, and they should be this way.
Then these manginas go about spreading this false belief (that submissive women are bad and only seeking to trick men) and trying to insult you when you tell them to simply pick a submissive woman.These fools pick women who boss them around and wonder why their relationship turns to crap (because bossy women are psycho, hello, that's not normal or healthy for the woman to boss the man, it's a sign of a sick woman).
Then they equate submissiveness with being retarded or the inability to make decisions. No, there are people who aren't very bright, but that isn't the same as a submissive woman, and to equate the two is to deeply misunderstand the situation. Submissive just means she's willing to please, not that the woman is a functional retard. Lots of women are submissive and hold jobs where they are in authority over coworkers. But of course a mangina and a male feminist would believe that submissive means functionally retarded, because they don't want anyone to believe they could have a healthy relationship with a woman when they could never find that themselves, and they are too afraid of women's equality (and probably no woman would ever yield to them).
This sentence is really bare nonsense from Adama. You have no idea really.
In return let me say, most men who can't get laid are clearly not MGTOW, but religious bigots. They are joining the Catholic Church, praying to Jesus to give them a boy because they are all pussified pedophiles. Read the newspapers in UK or in USA! Every day another one of these clergymen is sent behind bars.
MGTOW means merely to go your own way as a male in a society which is considering men and boys as 2nd class citizens.
It has nothing to do with 'getting laid', as the fear and risk-averse behavior of men towards women is frequently based on other bad experiences with females which have nothing to do with a sexual relationship. This might be the own mother, sisters, daughters, female relatives, female co-workers, female class-mates etc.
I didn't want to be a 2nd class citizen in a Western feminist country for the rest of my life, I moved away from Europe and never came back during the last 4 decades.
I call them damn near impossible find. (or more trouble than they're worth) Have you ever watched a good treasure hunting movie? If getting a woman is your top priority in life, feel free to go through all that effort to find this "treasure". I have way too many things I would rather be doing.
“b***y is so strong that there are dudes willing to blow themselves up for the highly unlikely possibility of b***y in another dimension." -- Joe Rogan
MGTOW do not say, these women do not exist. They exist, but maybe 1:400 in USA and EU/UK.
If you are just an ordinary average man with a modest income, your chance to find a nice Western girl for a long-term relationship is rather slim.
No need to bother, as MGTOW we just get on an airplane and check it out abroad. It's not so easy either, but it's not 1:400.
If you find a reasonable girl, don't bring her back to your own native country. Better try to move to her place. Much better. Just my experience so far.
MGTOW is essentially death worship, equal but opposite to feminism, or as some have put it, it's feminism for men. It's irrelevant anyway, being inextricably tied to the existence of feminism - to get more MGTOW you need more feminism. Their idea of "ghosting" (not really their invention though) is useful for living in the West, but if that is the be-all-end-all of your plan, it's tantamount to waiting to die.
What is funny is two things.
One is how statistics just get pulled out of buts. I've seen some people claim the divorce rate in the US is 80%
The second supports your points.
Divorce rate is and isn't 50%.
The divorce rate among the collage educated couples is lower than those with high school. People here and elsewhere seem to equate education with ruining marriages, the stats don't bare that out. Of course if you are looking for some docile doormat to do you cooking and cleaning than an education is a bad thing, but if you want to marry an actual human being then an education seems to be the key to a better chance of staying married [more so as a more educated person is probably more likely to get a divorce if not happy I'd guess]
Second marriages fail much more than first marriages. That 50% is inflated because of that.
2 high school drop outs on the drugs, knocked up at 16 from two broken families will almost certainly get divorced.
Two people with university educations, solid finances, no kids till marriage, first marriage, from intact and functional homes would have a pretty low rate of divorce.
If you pick carefully and have the sort of conversations you need to have early when dating vs just falling in love and getting married and it is even better. Things like attitude towards money, desire for kids and how many, what cult you will raise them in if any, etc. If you got that worked out and someone who is willing to put in a bit of effort in the marriage with compromise and understanding and you are golden.
I'd give such a marriage a much better chance of making it to death over getting married to some doe eyed doormat. Sometimes people come to their scenes and develop some self esteem and a backbone and will get sick of being treated like a bitch.
I don't know the ratios but
Some MGTOW are basically incels or borderline incels who use the ideology to make them take ownership of their fail. Other incels can acknowledge that the lack of women in their lives is not a choice on their part and retain the involuntary of incel.
Some MGTOW are older dudes are disgusted with women their age and use MGTOW to make up for the fact that they are too old to get someone they find attractive.
Some MGTOW are those who got a rough ride by women, usually via divorce and feel they were treated unfairly [which may or may not be true] and were do busted by the experience that they withdrew, sort of like herbivore men except less faggy.
To suggest that MGTOW has anything to do with feminism aside from dodgy use of facts and a dislike of a gender is just incorrect.
Some extreme forms of first world feminism do take on MGTOW type avoidance all men are evil ways, but most don't, and even the ones that do go far far beyond the MGTOW concerns.