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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby JohnDoeBigBaller » June 21st, 2017, 8:14 pm

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Jeremy wrote:Prostitution is a rich man's hobby. Say a guy has an above-median income of $40K/year after tax (I'm not even making this yet, and I have a supposedly marketable degree... but just for argument's sake). At a going rate of $300/hour, a hooker is going to cost him TWO DAYS of slaving away.

Is one hour of pleasure really worth two days of misery? Personally I'd rather invest that $300 and escape this Hunger Games for adults just a bit earlier. I guess I hate working more than I love p***y, but that's just me.


In many countries, prostitution is much cheaper than $ 300 an hour. For example, in Germany the average rate is 60 Euros (which is about $ 72 American dollars). In many countries it's between $ 50 and $ 100 American dollars.


In 3rd world countries, you can f**k a girl (30 minutes) for like 30 dollars, sometimes even cheaper.

Once again, in America, women are massively over-valued. f**k paying 300 dollars for an American bitch. Save that money and fly to Thailand or drive to Tijuana.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby JohnDoeBigBaller » June 21st, 2017, 8:15 pm

MrMan wrote:Just from a monetary perspective, at $72 a pop, if I were the whoremongering type, I would have gone through all but maybe $1500 of my annual salary the first year of marriage. But she cooks, cleans, and is a companion for me, and there are all those other years of marriage. How much is all that worth monetarily? What is the (negative) monetary value of contracting a disease from a prostitute. How much does that cost?


If you are looking for a companion, then obviously marriage is what you want. But if you want easy sex, then nothing beats prostitution. As well as "diseases", well did you not read my essay? You pretty much cannot get STDs, especially if you use condoms. It's GAY sex that is very risky. Heterosexual sex is very safe.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby JohnDoeBigBaller » June 21st, 2017, 8:20 pm

MrMan wrote:
starchild5 wrote:The number 1 problem for humanity is marriage not prostitutes.[/b]..I would have made marriage illegal because its a complete total scam for men..You loose the day you get married. Men get nothing whatsoever out of marriage ...Ask the 50% or more divorced American men if it ain;t true :P :P


Of course, I disagree. There are a lot of benefits to getting married if one marries a decent woman. I just read on the thread about prostitutes being $300 a night. If that was the going rate, and I had paid that much for every sexual encounter, I would pobably have spent over a million dollars during the first year of marriage. If I were a whoremonger and paid just $30 a pop, I'd probably would have had to have paid $100,000 the first year of marriage. I made nowhere near that as an English teacher. I couldn't have afforded paying $10 that many times. (Not that I would have.) Just from a very raw, selfish, sexual perspective, that's an advantage right there.

I haven't had intercourse with a condom with my wife in over 15 years. We probably used them 10 times or so when we first got married. It allows for release with the minimal amount of physical pleasure, and there is a barrier there. As far as enjoyment goes, condoms allow for what, 10% to 30% of what a regular sexual encounter allows for?

I don't have to worry about STDs with my wife. She was a virgin when she married, and she doesn't cheat on me. I've only been with her, sexually, too. So, let's say I've had sex with her two, three, or four thousand times over the years. What are the chances I got an STD from that-- basically 0%. If I'd gone out and hired hookers, even if I'd used condoms, what are the chances I'd have contracted an STD? Much higher. Condoms dont' even protect against every STD.

Prostitution also nasty. I read in a newspaper about prostitutes who sleep with ten men a day. Let's say you hire one, and you are number 10 for that day. Some other dudes sweaty junk was just in there. There are some diseases that come from the base or pubic area, and not the tip. Crabs is a famous example. If you found a prostitute willing to do you without a condom, she may have done the other ten guys the same way. That may not be her own lubrication. That is just so terribly nasty.

Are there other benefits to being married? Of course there are. I don't care much for cooking. I can make sandwiches and ramen noodles. I can grill meat. I've tried to cook more than that on rare occasion. I made a decent spagghetti sauce once when my wife was learning to cook and had made a thin sweet sauce, and I wanted her to try something thick and garlicy for future reference. I have made french fries and nachos and a few other things. But the vast majority of cooking I've had at home since I got married has been by my wife. (We've had maid cook quite a bit at different times over the years, but it usually pales by comparison.) If I'd have had to pay at restaurants for the gourmet steaks, the Thai beef salad, papaya salad, or gree curry, Korean bulgogi and vegetable side dishes, the various pastas, stir fries, Indian curries, and all the different kinds of dishes she likes to cook for our family, I'd have spent quite a bit of money. If i were alone, I wouldn't be eating that stuff at home.

It is also nice to have someone else who does dishes, sweeps, mops floors, and washes, dries, and iron clothes.

I have kids, too. It is good to actually know them. A man who sleeps with prostitutes can have a bunch of kids all over the place that he doesn't even know. Two of kids could marry each other without him knowing they are brother and sister, and he'd miss out on two of his kids weddings at the same time. His kids could grow up wild and unruly, doing drugs using their mother's customers used needles. If a prostitute hired by a "john" wanted to kill one of his children, in some countries, they could go to the doctor and have it done before the child is born.

As far as socieity is concerned, and as far as the children is concerned, marriage is a whole lot better. Statistics show for children raised with their fathers in the home have better chances of success in terms of various measures like crime rates, drug use, teen pregnancy, grades in school.

In marriage, though, you do have to give. There is another person there to actually love and care about as a human being. She'll get stressed or have problems and want to talk to you about it. You'll have to work to support a household. Some women work outside the home, but by nature and instinct, men are to be providers and protectors. Children also require a lot of protection and support. Of course, in traditional cultures, children care for their parents in old age. You can teach your children to do that, both by example and what you drill into them when they are young.


There is a hueg difference between marriage and prostitution. If you want a life partner? Then yes marriage is for you. If you want lots of easy sex, then prostitution is best for you.

But it's funny how white knight manginas who have probably had sex with less than 5 women their whole lives wants to suddenly lecture us on why prostitution is bad.

Pretty much all of your points are invalid. And don't be a cuck, dude. You want to sit there telling young men to get legally married to women, when the divorce laws are extremely biased against men? f**k that shit. As long as the divorce system remains so corrupt and against men, then why the f**k would a man want to submit himself to such a corrupt system?

Just f**k prostitutes. Let all these f***ing c**ts be single and grow old alone. Why should we chop off our own balls and become legally enslaved to a woman? THAT is truly insanity.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby JohnDoeBigBaller » June 21st, 2017, 8:23 pm

starchild5 wrote:
JohnDoeBigBaller wrote:
Very few women are willing to do no strings attached sex. There is an inherent "anti-whore" radar in all women's minds and this is why women have to justify sleeping with a guy, "oh it was just a one time thing", etc. So the whole mistress idea doesn't really work in reality. And as you said, you can only see her once a month or so.

With prostitution, YOU choose WHEN you want to have sex. If you want to have sex every day with a new woman? You can do that with prostitution.


Prostitutes are the best and Thailand & Philippines is amazing for that :) :)

There is attack on hookers in America, Middle East, India, Pakistan, China etc but not on the institution of marriage.

There is no level playing field for hookers to make their point in America. They are immediately shunned by the society. You can become a porn star for Jews to suck your life..Its legal..because Jews own you..

Prostitutes are free and independent and can work any time they wish etc..which the jews hate.

Well Thailand Benefits..Indians are so frustrated here that they go to Thailand every which way possible...Indians spent 1.5 billion dollars last year in Thailand...Half of it I'm sure went to Massage and Pattaya :)

My own married friends were secretly going to Thailand which I only came to know last month :shock: :shock:

But one would be forced to think how shitty thailand would be ..but once you go there Infrastcuture is far better than India and on par with many developed country but its cheaper.


America and western countries are all ruined by feminism. Feminists HATE prostitution because it allows men freedom, the freedom to have sex easily with women.

Christianity is once again the source of this. It was a Christian feminist women's group that got prostitution as well as drugs and alcohol banned in the 1910s and 1920s America.

Without Christianity, the world would be a much better place. Islam too. At least Buddhists aren't sexually repressed which is why prostitution is allowed in all of the buddhist asian countries.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby JohnDoeBigBaller » June 21st, 2017, 8:26 pm

MrMan wrote:I never heard of men going to jail for not paying alimony. I've read that Georgia may jail men, including unemployed men, who don't pay child support.

You could have to pay child support for a child you father with a girlfriend or even a hooker. Of course, with a prostitute, if she sleeps with 10 men a day, the chances of her picking you out of the over 3000 in a year may be slim. But then, if she does that, you slept with a woman who has slept with thousands of guys, putting your part in the same place that had the parts of thousands of guys in there.


I've heard of plenty of men getting imprisoned for not paying alimony. You can also lose your US passport which means you are literally trapped in the feminist prison called America and cannot leave.

If you want to get married, then DO NOT marry an American woman. Best to expat to her country because if you bring her back to America the culture will corrupt her and turn her into a feminist scum.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby MatureDJ » June 22nd, 2017, 12:27 am

Most prostitutes don't allow for coitus without a condom - and the ones that do are almost guaranteed to have something that will get you sick. There certainly is value in having available pvssy that can be enjoyed raw.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby JohnDoeBigBaller » June 23rd, 2017, 2:06 am

MatureDJ wrote:Most prostitutes don't allow for coitus without a condom - and the ones that do are almost guaranteed to have something that will get you sick. There certainly is value in having available pvssy that can be enjoyed raw.


It's really not that big of a difference, to be honest. And yea most prostitutes will insist on a condom, which is a good thing.

As for raw p***y, what, you think f***ing girls from nightclubs or Tinder without a condom is safe? You're actually much more likely to get an STD that way because with a prostitute you have to use a condom whereas with normal girls they don't really insist on condoms and thus many of them are full of STDs.

Only way to safely f**k p***y without a condom is through marriage. But if you're a guy who wants to f**k lots of women? Then prostitution is your only real option and thus f***ing with condoms is your only option. Condoms really don't make that big of a difference
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby MrMan » June 23rd, 2017, 7:23 am

JohnDoeBigBaller wrote:There is a hueg difference between marriage and prostitution. If you want a life partner? Then yes marriage is for you. If you want lots of easy sex, then prostitution is best for you.

But it's funny how white knight manginas who have probably had sex with less than 5 women their whole lives wants to suddenly lecture us on why prostitution is bad.


I've probably had tons more sex than you have if you've never married, especially if you get it all from prostitutes. You'd have to be pretty well off financially to have had as much sex as I have, or be really, really old.

I'm a Christian. I've only had sex with my wife. So, yes, less than five. But lots of sex, and high quality at that, with a 9+. You're talking about sex that is just a business transaction. Where is the love and passion in that. I suppose a guy whose rarely had sex doesn't care much if he just wants to experience sex, but after you've had a lot of sex, the love and passion stuff is important.

And you are talking about sex with condoms. Maybe you've forgotten, but sex with condoms just isn't the same. It's like 10 % of what sex without a condom is in terms of sensation in the most key area down there.

Pretty much all of your points are invalid. And don't be a cuck, dude. You want to sit there telling young men to get legally married to women, when the divorce laws are extremely biased against men? f**k that shit. As long as the divorce system remains so corrupt and against men, then why the f**k would a man want to submit himself to such a corrupt system?


I'm not a cuck. My wife doesn't sleep around on me. She was a virgin. If you sleep with prostitutes, unless you are paying thousands a visit, you are sleeping with someone whose been 'used' before. So don't talk about someone else being a cuck. Some other guy will have her after you do, and you had her after someone else, maybe several people not long before. How many times a month can a man actually afford to sleep with a prostitute anyway? What prostitute is going to clean your house, wash your clothes, and cook gourmet meals for you without your even asking?

I didn't marry a divorce or divorce law. I tell men to be very selective. if half of marriages end in divorce, half of marriages do NOT end in divorce. Men have to be selective to marry women who won't divorce them. They also have to be decent men so as not to provoke a woman who would have stuck with them otherwise. It's hard for a woman to stick with a man who gets addicted to drugs or alcohol, gambles away the family money, sleeps around, doesn't work, or a combination of such things. There are decent women out there. It is possible to bring a bride home without her becoming a feminist.

You can pay child support if you get a woman pregnant even if you aren't married to her. Not marrying doesn't protect you from that. Even a prostitute could try to hit you up for child support. if you sleep with lots of them, you could potentially have a lot of them after you for child support.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby jamesbond » June 23rd, 2017, 4:48 pm

JohnDoeBigBaller wrote:I've heard of plenty of men getting imprisoned for not paying alimony. You can also lose your US passport which means you are literally trapped in the feminist prison called America and cannot leave.

If you want to get married, then DO NOT marry an American woman. Best to expat to her country because if you bring her back to America the culture will corrupt her and turn her into a feminist scum.


That's good advice, if you do want to get married, DO NOT marry an American woman. I worked with a guy who went to prison for getting behind in his child support payments. He fell behind and before he was able to make payment arrangements with his ex wife, the cops came to his home and arrested him. His neighbors saw him get handcuffed and put into a police car. He neighbors probably thought he committed a serious crime (like murder or burglary).

If your living in america it's best to become a ghost and avoid women like the plague. When you want to meet women travel overseas.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby Contrarian Expatriate » June 23rd, 2017, 5:27 pm

MrMan wrote:
JohnDoeBigBaller wrote:There is a hueg difference between marriage and prostitution. If you want a life partner? Then yes marriage is for you. If you want lots of easy sex, then prostitution is best for you.

But it's funny how white knight manginas who have probably had sex with less than 5 women their whole lives wants to suddenly lecture us on why prostitution is bad.


I've probably had tons more sex than you have if you've never married, especially if you get it all from prostitutes. You'd have to be pretty well off financially to have had as much sex as I have, or be really, really old.

I'm a Christian. I've only had sex with my wife. So, yes, less than five. But lots of sex, and high quality at that, with a 9+. You're talking about sex that is just a business transaction. Where is the love and passion in that. I suppose a guy whose rarely had sex doesn't care much if he just wants to experience sex, but after you've had a lot of sex, the love and passion stuff is important.

And you are talking about sex with condoms. Maybe you've forgotten, but sex with condoms just isn't the same. It's like 10 % of what sex without a condom is in terms of sensation in the most key area down there.

Pretty much all of your points are invalid. And don't be a cuck, dude. You want to sit there telling young men to get legally married to women, when the divorce laws are extremely biased against men? f**k that shit. As long as the divorce system remains so corrupt and against men, then why the f**k would a man want to submit himself to such a corrupt system?


I'm not a cuck. My wife doesn't sleep around on me. She was a virgin. If you sleep with prostitutes, unless you are paying thousands a visit, you are sleeping with someone whose been 'used' before. So don't talk about someone else being a cuck. Some other guy will have her after you do, and you had her after someone else, maybe several people not long before. How many times a month can a man actually afford to sleep with a prostitute anyway? What prostitute is going to clean your house, wash your clothes, and cook gourmet meals for you without your even asking?

I didn't marry a divorce or divorce law. I tell men to be very selective. if half of marriages end in divorce, half of marriages do NOT end in divorce. Men have to be selective to marry women who won't divorce them. They also have to be decent men so as not to provoke a woman who would have stuck with them otherwise. It's hard for a woman to stick with a man who gets addicted to drugs or alcohol, gambles away the family money, sleeps around, doesn't work, or a combination of such things. There are decent women out there. It is possible to bring a bride home without her becoming a feminist.

You can pay child support if you get a woman pregnant even if you aren't married to her. Not marrying doesn't protect you from that. Even a prostitute could try to hit you up for child support. if you sleep with lots of them, you could potentially have a lot of them after you for child support.

He's right, you are a cuck as in "cuckservative," not a cuckold as you probably thought.

-Any man who tells men to be "selective" instead of telling them not to marry at all is a cuckservative. All men who get a.s raped in the courts thought they too were being selective.

-Any man who cites that half of marriages end in divorce so the other half must be successful, yet fails to acknowledge the 30% to 40% additional couples who stay together in misery, is a cuckservative. That means about 10% to 20% are actually successful.

-Any man who advises other men not to "provoke" women into divorce is a hugely gynocentric cuckservative.

Men like yourself and Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux are all married cucks who will always try to justify their slavery to wife, children and state by convincing other men to make the same mistake. Misery loves company.

MGTOW is here to prevent that antiquated nonsense from ruining the lives of unsuspecting men. It is too late for you. Once you drink the kool-aid, you can never undrink it!
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby MarcosZeitola » June 23rd, 2017, 6:21 pm

Prostitutes are "normal women" too, only they are paid to be with you so they act more convincingly. OP is clearly tricked by their superior acting skills into believing that they are actually "better" women. This is, of course, nonsense. They provide a service and so they smile, the way a waitress in a restaurant fishing for a tip might smile at you. If you want to delude yourself into believing any of this is real, be my guest, but you're still deluding yourself at the end of the day.

I won't tell anyone to marry, or not to marry, but I can tell you this: there is nothing quite like the thrill of getting a beautiful young woman to sleep with you for free. It is infinitely more satisfying then any other sexual experience man could have. Because it's real. You are really desired, you are really wanted by this girl. And she gave herself to you freely, with only your personal attractiveness and persuasive skills as the deciding factor. But sure, go ahead and pay for a girl to sleep with you. It's like you're cheating the game. Why be proud of that? Why be proud of your inability to get for free what other get without paying?
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby MrMan » June 24th, 2017, 9:32 pm

He's right, you are a cuck as in "cuckservative," not a cuckold as you probably thought.


'Cuckservative'. I've never heard of that. That sounds like a pretty dumb made-up word that doesn't deserve a place in the dictionary. Did MGTOW Democrats come up with that one?

-Any man who tells men to be "selective" instead of telling them not to marry at all is a cuckservative. All men who get a.s raped in the courts thought they too were being selective.


MGTOW is a selfish defeatist philosophy. It doesn't do anything to 'fix' the problems it identifies. If all the men went MGTOW, we'd either have no next generation or a bunch of bastards running around raised without daddies. We've got enough of the social problems caused by the latter without it becoming 100%. This all reminds me of Kantian ethics, too, which proposes that if all people behaved a certain way, it would be bad for society so we shouldn't do it.

-Any man who cites that half of marriages end in divorce so the other half must be successful, yet fails to acknowledge the 30% to 40% additional couples who stay together in misery, is a cuckservative. That means about 10% to 20% are actually successful.


Cite your sources for your statistics. Did you just make them up? I hear that 93.25% of statistics are made up on the spot, including this one.

Also, you should cite sources for men who marry foreign women, as a lot of us here on this little niche forum has. This forum has singles and men married to foreigners on it.

I suspect everyone who gets married goes through some experience where he is unhappy, even if it is for a few minutes at a time on occasion. Other people can be hard to get along with. But lonely men who live alone with their dogs have times of unhappiness, too. Overall, though, it's a net gain for happiness if you choose well and end up with a good, faithful wife.

As far as sex goes, there are wives who refuse sex with their husbands and just do it when they want to. That's the type of woman to try to figure out how to identify and certainly avoid for marriage (assuming a man likes to have a reasonable amount of sex or a whole lot of sex.) Marrying a woman who will have sex often with her husband is the way to get the most sex in terms of quantity and in terms of quality when we talk about the 'quality' aspects like sex with a woman who cares about the man and who learns the techniques he likes. It does come along with companionship.

I suppose there are men out there who could get young women lined up to have sex with him, night after night. That would have to be exhausting. He'd have to put in a lot of effort, especially if he wanted to convince them to have sex with him without spending money on him. Prostitutes cost money. You can stick your head in the sand, but disease is a risk. Getting arrested is also a risk in a lot of places. Then there is the risk of pregnancy. In some places, that could turn into child support, especially in the case of a man who lines up a series of girlfriends to sleep with as opposed to prostitutes. Then there is the ethical ramifications of getting women pregnant and her either murdering his baby or having the baby and he doesn't raise it. It's not good to the next generation. There are also the spiritual ramifications of the sexual sin through all these scenarios. You have to be judged by God whether you believe in Him or not.

-Any man who advises other men not to "provoke" women into divorce is a hugely gynocentric cuckservative.


If you don't have any sense of ethics at all and the lack of foresight to think about treating other people how you want to be treated, you might think that way. But if you think about it, tempting a married woman to sleep with you is bad to the other man. Your getting his wife to cheat on you. It's beyond disrespectful to him. how is that 'gynocentric.'

Men like yourself and Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux are all married cucks who will always try to justify their slavery to wife, children and state by convincing other men to make the same mistake. Misery loves company.


I had sex with my wife last night. She cooked a nice meal for me a while ago, Korean ribs. I'm laying over here on the computer taking care of some things I need to and enjoying myself. I didn't have to hire someone last night. I didn't have to leave the house to go to a restaurant. I don't feel lonely. I'm not stressed trying to think of some kind of pick up line. Where is the misery here?

MGTOW is here to prevent that antiquated nonsense from ruining the lives of unsuspecting men. It is too late for you. Once you drink the kool-aid, you can never undrink it!


Most of the MGTOW people I've interacted with seem irrational. MGTOW people treat it like it's a religion, like it's some sort of deep truth that marriage is bad and will make you unhappy. It doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of happily married people around. There certainly were lots of them back before the feminist movement and the increase of the divorce rate. And conservative marriages where women do 'women's work' and men do 'men's work' have more sex, too. There is a lot to be said for marrying a traditional, conservative woman. There are a lot of traditional women in other countries that worth marrying and even bringing back if one wants to live in the US.

Also, divorce rates are low in some countries, so for a lot of people who live outside of the US, a lot of the MGTOW arguments don't really apply.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby Contrarian Expatriate » June 25th, 2017, 6:07 am

MrMan wrote:
He's right, you are a cuck as in "cuckservative," not a cuckold as you probably thought.


'Cuckservative'. I've never heard of that. That sounds like a pretty dumb made-up word that doesn't deserve a place in the dictionary. Did MGTOW Democrats come up with that one?

-Any man who tells men to be "selective" instead of telling them not to marry at all is a cuckservative. All men who get a.s raped in the courts thought they too were being selective.


MGTOW is a selfish defeatist philosophy. It doesn't do anything to 'fix' the problems it identifies. If all the men went MGTOW, we'd either have no next generation or a bunch of bastards running around raised without daddies. We've got enough of the social problems caused by the latter without it becoming 100%. This all reminds me of Kantian ethics, too, which proposes that if all people behaved a certain way, it would be bad for society so we shouldn't do it.

-Any man who cites that half of marriages end in divorce so the other half must be successful, yet fails to acknowledge the 30% to 40% additional couples who stay together in misery, is a cuckservative. That means about 10% to 20% are actually successful.


Cite your sources for your statistics. Did you just make them up? I hear that 93.25% of statistics are made up on the spot, including this one.

Also, you should cite sources for men who marry foreign women, as a lot of us here on this little niche forum has. This forum has singles and men married to foreigners on it.

I suspect everyone who gets married goes through some experience where he is unhappy, even if it is for a few minutes at a time on occasion. Other people can be hard to get along with. But lonely men who live alone with their dogs have times of unhappiness, too. Overall, though, it's a net gain for happiness if you choose well and end up with a good, faithful wife.

As far as sex goes, there are wives who refuse sex with their husbands and just do it when they want to. That's the type of woman to try to figure out how to identify and certainly avoid for marriage (assuming a man likes to have a reasonable amount of sex or a whole lot of sex.) Marrying a woman who will have sex often with her husband is the way to get the most sex in terms of quantity and in terms of quality when we talk about the 'quality' aspects like sex with a woman who cares about the man and who learns the techniques he likes. It does come along with companionship.

I suppose there are men out there who could get young women lined up to have sex with him, night after night. That would have to be exhausting. He'd have to put in a lot of effort, especially if he wanted to convince them to have sex with him without spending money on him. Prostitutes cost money. You can stick your head in the sand, but disease is a risk. Getting arrested is also a risk in a lot of places. Then there is the risk of pregnancy. In some places, that could turn into child support, especially in the case of a man who lines up a series of girlfriends to sleep with as opposed to prostitutes. Then there is the ethical ramifications of getting women pregnant and her either murdering his baby or having the baby and he doesn't raise it. It's not good to the next generation. There are also the spiritual ramifications of the sexual sin through all these scenarios. You have to be judged by God whether you believe in Him or not.

-Any man who advises other men not to "provoke" women into divorce is a hugely gynocentric cuckservative.


If you don't have any sense of ethics at all and the lack of foresight to think about treating other people how you want to be treated, you might think that way. But if you think about it, tempting a married woman to sleep with you is bad to the other man. Your getting his wife to cheat on you. It's beyond disrespectful to him. how is that 'gynocentric.'

Men like yourself and Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux are all married cucks who will always try to justify their slavery to wife, children and state by convincing other men to make the same mistake. Misery loves company.


I had sex with my wife last night. She cooked a nice meal for me a while ago, Korean ribs. I'm laying over here on the computer taking care of some things I need to and enjoying myself. I didn't have to hire someone last night. I didn't have to leave the house to go to a restaurant. I don't feel lonely. I'm not stressed trying to think of some kind of pick up line. Where is the misery here?

MGTOW is here to prevent that antiquated nonsense from ruining the lives of unsuspecting men. It is too late for you. Once you drink the kool-aid, you can never undrink it!


Most of the MGTOW people I've interacted with seem irrational. MGTOW people treat it like it's a religion, like it's some sort of deep truth that marriage is bad and will make you unhappy. It doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of happily married people around. There certainly were lots of them back before the feminist movement and the increase of the divorce rate. And conservative marriages where women do 'women's work' and men do 'men's work' have more sex, too. There is a lot to be said for marrying a traditional, conservative woman. There are a lot of traditional women in other countries that worth marrying and even bringing back if one wants to live in the US.

Also, divorce rates are low in some countries, so for a lot of people who live outside of the US, a lot of the MGTOW arguments don't really apply.

It is now confirmed, you're a Cuck given your defensiveness and your ridiculous advocating of the traditional male slavery model via marriage.

It is common sense (no study needed for intelligent people) that of the people who marry, roughly 50% of people actually divorce and roughly 30% to 40% more stay together for reasons of finances, children or family/religious/community obligation. This can deduced from numerous polls that show how people who are married more than 10 years are MISERABLE people who would not do it if they have the chance to decide again. But if you can't see what is so clear without some cited "study," then there is no wonder why you think marriage is good thing for men. You're just not that bright.

Along with your defensiveness, the picture you paint of your mundane marriage is one of unmitigated drudgery which will only get worse over time. Will you still delude yourself when your wife is 10 years uglier and 20 pounds fatter? Check your denial before you try to pull the wool over us please.

If your wife decides to up leave you before you tire of her, please do let us know so you will have some measure of support. I can't guarantee that I will not say I told you so, but at least you'll have some means to walk you "away from the ledge" so to speak.

Stop living the lie and admit that you made a mistake in getting married and encourage other men to forgo slavery to the state, to children, and to an increasingly unsightly wife via marriage.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby MrMan » June 25th, 2017, 12:11 pm

Contrarian Expatriate wrote: live outside of the US, a lot of the MGTOW arguments don't really apply.

It is now confirmed, you're a Cuck given your defensiveness and your ridiculous advocating of the traditional male slavery model via marriage.

It is common sense (no study needed for intelligent people) that of the people who marry, roughly 50% of people actually divorce and roughly 30% to 40% more stay together for reasons of finances, children or family/religious/community obligation. This can deduced from numerous polls that show how people who are married more than 10 years are MISERABLE people who would not do it if they have the chance to decide again. But if you can't see what is so clear without some cited "study," then there is no wonder why you think marriage is good thing for men. You're just not that bright.[/quote]

I didn't realize you were MGTOW until this thread. Honestly, you seemed a bit too educated and well-spoken (written?) to be MGTOW, but you follow their MO to the T. You don't have much substance to argue your case, so you throw insults at those who disagree with you. The other MGTOWs I have encountered did the same. A difference though, is that you can spell.

I'm not self conscious about my intelligence or these other things you list hear. I've got advanced degrees and a good job in a great field to be in. I enjoy being married to my wife.

Your arguments don't hold water with me or a lot of people around here. Since I live overseas, certain aspects of US culture and the legal system don't apply to me. I don't know anyone in the country I live in who pays alimony. I don't know that many divorced people, except back home in the US. What you say doesn't even apply that much to a man who marries a quality woman and takes her back to the US.

I really do understand the MGTOW rhetoric coming from a tired old divorced man who is bitter over losing everything in a divorce. It doesn't make sense to me that a young man would have such a negative and skewed perspective on life. It's one of these philosophies that accepts defeat. It's like a religious tenant that says, "if you marry, it will turn out bad" without considering the variables, like marrying a suitable partner (rare in some places), or just removing the whole MGTOW argument by living in a somewhat 'male-dominated' culture where

Along with your defensiveness, the picture you paint of your mundane marriage is one of unmitigated drudgery which will only get worse over time. Will you still delude yourself when your wife is 10 years uglier and 20 pounds fatter? Check your denial before you try to pull the wool over us please.


You seem to be young and the fact that you will also get older and uglier, maybe even fatter, isn't a really salient fact for you. I realize that my wife will age, but based on what I see so far, she's keeping her looks better than I am. She is a few years younger, but I suspect it is just her genes or skin care and diet habits. I know we'll both get old and ugly. If you continue the player life style, deluding yourself that condoms prevent just about all diseases (and as a married I have sex that feels like real sex, btw, without a condom), what are you going to do when you are old and ugly? If my wife gets too old-looking, I can just turn out the light. What are you going to do? Sleep with prostitutes? When you are young, you have a high sex drive. Maybe the sex drive is enough to distract you from how cold and empty sleeping with a prostitute must be. There are other emotional aspects of sex that you learn to appreciate as that 20's sex drive calms down a bit to where you could sleep if you skip a night. How are you going to get that with one-night stands and prostitutes.

You might just want some companionship and someone who actually cares about you, and someone to care for, as you get older.

Marriage has been around for thousands of years, and for most of it, it hasn't resembled 'male slavery.' That's not the case when men are in charge. Men have responsibilities to their families. That's a normal thing. Don't just look at the cog, yourself. Look at the wheel. If there are no daddies, boys are raised without fathers. Is that a good thing for the boys or not? Put yourself on the end of the boy raised without a father before you consider whether men sleeping around with strange women they meet in bars and prostitutes is the way for a society to function.

Again, this is the happier abroad forum. Your US-specific arguments don't apply to living overseas, at least in the majority of countries.

Also, if 50% of marriages end in divorce, consider that a certain percentage of people are serial divorcees. Some percentage of the population divorce two, three, or even five times. The 50% number includes second and third marriages ending in divorce. 50% of marriages ending in divorce isn't the same as 50% of people who marry getting a divorce. You pull your statistics about what percent of people are happy or stay together for the kids out of thin air, as I thought.
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Re: Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women?

Postby Contrarian Expatriate » June 25th, 2017, 3:02 pm

MrMan wrote:I didn't realize you were MGTOW until this thread. Honestly, you seemed a bit too educated and well-spoken (written?) to be MGTOW, but you follow their MO to the T. You don't have much substance to argue your case, so you throw insults at those who disagree with you. The other MGTOWs I have encountered did the same. A difference though, is that you can spell.

I'm not self conscious about my intelligence or these other things you list hear. I've got advanced degrees and a good job in a great field to be in. I enjoy being married to my wife.

Your arguments don't hold water with me or a lot of people around here. Since I live overseas, certain aspects of US culture and the legal system don't apply to me. I don't know anyone in the country I live in who pays alimony. I don't know that many divorced people, except back home in the US. What you say doesn't even apply that much to a man who marries a quality woman and takes her back to the US.

I really do understand the MGTOW rhetoric coming from a tired old divorced man who is bitter over losing everything in a divorce. It doesn't make sense to me that a young man would have such a negative and skewed perspective on life. It's one of these philosophies that accepts defeat. It's like a religious tenant that says, "if you marry, it will turn out bad" without considering the variables, like marrying a suitable partner (rare in some places), or just removing the whole MGTOW argument by living in a somewhat 'male-dominated' culture where.

You seem to be young and the fact that you will also get older and uglier, maybe even fatter, isn't a really salient fact for you. I realize that my wife will age, but based on what I see so far, she's keeping her looks better than I am. She is a few years younger, but I suspect it is just her genes or skin care and diet habits. I know we'll both get old and ugly. If you continue the player life style, deluding yourself that condoms prevent just about all diseases (and as a married I have sex that feels like real sex, btw, without a condom), what are you going to do when you are old and ugly? If my wife gets too old-looking, I can just turn out the light. What are you going to do? Sleep with prostitutes? When you are young, you have a high sex drive. Maybe the sex drive is enough to distract you from how cold and empty sleeping with a prostitute must be. There are other emotional aspects of sex that you learn to appreciate as that 20's sex drive calms down a bit to where you could sleep if you skip a night. How are you going to get that with one-night stands and prostitutes.

You might just want some companionship and someone who actually cares about you, and someone to care for, as you get older.

Marriage has been around for thousands of years, and for most of it, it hasn't resembled 'male slavery.' That's not the case when men are in charge. Men have responsibilities to their families. That's a normal thing. Don't just look at the cog, yourself. Look at the wheel. If there are no daddies, boys are raised without fathers. Is that a good thing for the boys or not? Put yourself on the end of the boy raised without a father before you consider whether men sleeping around with strange women they meet in bars and prostitutes is the way for a society to function.

Again, this is the happier abroad forum. Your US-specific arguments don't apply to living overseas, at least in the majority of countries.

Also, if 50% of marriages end in divorce, consider that a certain percentage of people are serial divorcees. Some percentage of the population divorce two, three, or even five times. The 50% number includes second and third marriages ending in divorce. 50% of marriages ending in divorce isn't the same as 50% of people who marry getting a divorce. You pull your statistics about what percent of people are happy or stay together for the kids out of thin air, as I thought.

You still just don't get it, and perhaps you never will until it is too late.

First off, I am likely significantly older and more experienced than you. Second, I too live abroad primarily and still decry marriage as an option. Third, there are doctors, lawyers, and Phds who live the MGTOW lifestyle so basing your perception of MGTOW off of some pubescent internet fora is going to fail you in understanding the mindset. At this point there is a plethora of BOOKS on the subject of MGTOW but I would not advise a married man like yourself to read them because it might trigger a crisis of realization that you are indeed a slave although you do not realize it. Ester Vilar, the author of The Manipulated Man, would detail your slave condition piece by piece. And yes, overseas you are a slave too if you are married.

Regarding companionship, marriage is no guarantee of that. Spouses die, leave, divorce, and fall infirm in the latter years of life leaving the other spouse alone. A MGTOW like myself can continue to have women half his age in and out of my life at my pleasure.

And to your singing the praises of sex with your wife, who the hell wants to have sex with the same woman for years on end? If your content with that, then at some point she will see the light and cheat on or leave you.

The Cuck who praises marriage, Thinks he's in heaven but he's living in hell" to quote Bob Marley. The question is just WHEN will you come to know this?

Over the years, I have seen the tendency for the most arrogant pro-marriage cucks to fall the hardest. This likely awaits you given your benighted and naive view of your abject servitude. But then again, just as "The woman doth protesth too much," I sense deep down you know the MGTOW view of marriage is correct but to salvage your dignity, you continue to espouse (pun intended) the lies that MGTOW have refuted long ago.

Do come forward and admit it when the inevitable downfall finally comes.
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