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Most prostitutes don't allow for coitus without a condom - and the ones that do are almost guaranteed to have something that will get you sick. There certainly is value in having available pvssy that can be enjoyed raw.
I've probably had tons more sex than you have if you've never married, especially if you get it all from prostitutes. You'd have to be pretty well off financially to have had as much sex as I have, or be really, really old.
I'm a Christian. I've only had sex with my wife. So, yes, less than five. But lots of sex, and high quality at that, with a 9+. You're talking about sex that is just a business transaction. Where is the love and passion in that. I suppose a guy whose rarely had sex doesn't care much if he just wants to experience sex, but after you've had a lot of sex, the love and passion stuff is important.
And you are talking about sex with condoms. Maybe you've forgotten, but sex with condoms just isn't the same. It's like 10 % of what sex without a condom is in terms of sensation in the most key area down there.
I'm not a cuck. My wife doesn't sleep around on me. She was a virgin. If you sleep with prostitutes, unless you are paying thousands a visit, you are sleeping with someone whose been 'used' before. So don't talk about someone else being a cuck. Some other guy will have her after you do, and you had her after someone else, maybe several people not long before. How many times a month can a man actually afford to sleep with a prostitute anyway? What prostitute is going to clean your house, wash your clothes, and cook gourmet meals for you without your even asking?
I didn't marry a divorce or divorce law. I tell men to be very selective. if half of marriages end in divorce, half of marriages do NOT end in divorce. Men have to be selective to marry women who won't divorce them. They also have to be decent men so as not to provoke a woman who would have stuck with them otherwise. It's hard for a woman to stick with a man who gets addicted to drugs or alcohol, gambles away the family money, sleeps around, doesn't work, or a combination of such things. There are decent women out there. It is possible to bring a bride home without her becoming a feminist.
You can pay child support if you get a woman pregnant even if you aren't married to her. Not marrying doesn't protect you from that. Even a prostitute could try to hit you up for child support. if you sleep with lots of them, you could potentially have a lot of them after you for child support.
That's good advice, if you do want to get married, DO NOT marry an American woman. I worked with a guy who went to prison for getting behind in his child support payments. He fell behind and before he was able to make payment arrangements with his ex wife, the cops came to his home and arrested him. His neighbors saw him get handcuffed and put into a police car. He neighbors probably thought he committed a serious crime (like murder or burglary).
If your living in america it's best to become a ghost and avoid women like the plague. When you want to meet women travel overseas.
"When I think about the idea of getting involved with an American woman, I don't know if I should laugh .............. or vomit!"
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
He's right, you are a cuck as in "cuckservative," not a cuckold as you probably thought.
-Any man who tells men to be "selective" instead of telling them not to marry at all is a cuckservative. All men who get a.s raped in the courts thought they too were being selective.
-Any man who cites that half of marriages end in divorce so the other half must be successful, yet fails to acknowledge the 30% to 40% additional couples who stay together in misery, is a cuckservative. That means about 10% to 20% are actually successful.
-Any man who advises other men not to "provoke" women into divorce is a hugely gynocentric cuckservative.
Men like yourself and Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux are all married cucks who will always try to justify their slavery to wife, children and state by convincing other men to make the same mistake. Misery loves company.
MGTOW is here to prevent that antiquated nonsense from ruining the lives of unsuspecting men. It is too late for you. Once you drink the kool-aid, you can never undrink it!
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Prostitutes are "normal women" too, only they are paid to be with you so they act more convincingly. OP is clearly tricked by their superior acting skills into believing that they are actually "better" women. This is, of course, nonsense. They provide a service and so they smile, the way a waitress in a restaurant fishing for a tip might smile at you. If you want to delude yourself into believing any of this is real, be my guest, but you're still deluding yourself at the end of the day.
I won't tell anyone to marry, or not to marry, but I can tell you this: there is nothing quite like the thrill of getting a beautiful young woman to sleep with you for free. It is infinitely more satisfying then any other sexual experience man could have. Because it's real. You are really desired, you are really wanted by this girl. And she gave herself to you freely, with only your personal attractiveness and persuasive skills as the deciding factor. But sure, go ahead and pay for a girl to sleep with you. It's like you're cheating the game. Why be proud of that? Why be proud of your inability to get for free what other get without paying?
'Cuckservative'. I've never heard of that. That sounds like a pretty dumb made-up word that doesn't deserve a place in the dictionary. Did MGTOW Democrats come up with that one?
MGTOW is a selfish defeatist philosophy. It doesn't do anything to 'fix' the problems it identifies. If all the men went MGTOW, we'd either have no next generation or a bunch of bastards running around raised without daddies. We've got enough of the social problems caused by the latter without it becoming 100%. This all reminds me of Kantian ethics, too, which proposes that if all people behaved a certain way, it would be bad for society so we shouldn't do it.
Cite your sources for your statistics. Did you just make them up? I hear that 93.25% of statistics are made up on the spot, including this one.
Also, you should cite sources for men who marry foreign women, as a lot of us here on this little niche forum has. This forum has singles and men married to foreigners on it.
I suspect everyone who gets married goes through some experience where he is unhappy, even if it is for a few minutes at a time on occasion. Other people can be hard to get along with. But lonely men who live alone with their dogs have times of unhappiness, too. Overall, though, it's a net gain for happiness if you choose well and end up with a good, faithful wife.
As far as sex goes, there are wives who refuse sex with their husbands and just do it when they want to. That's the type of woman to try to figure out how to identify and certainly avoid for marriage (assuming a man likes to have a reasonable amount of sex or a whole lot of sex.) Marrying a woman who will have sex often with her husband is the way to get the most sex in terms of quantity and in terms of quality when we talk about the 'quality' aspects like sex with a woman who cares about the man and who learns the techniques he likes. It does come along with companionship.
I suppose there are men out there who could get young women lined up to have sex with him, night after night. That would have to be exhausting. He'd have to put in a lot of effort, especially if he wanted to convince them to have sex with him without spending money on him. Prostitutes cost money. You can stick your head in the sand, but disease is a risk. Getting arrested is also a risk in a lot of places. Then there is the risk of pregnancy. In some places, that could turn into child support, especially in the case of a man who lines up a series of girlfriends to sleep with as opposed to prostitutes. Then there is the ethical ramifications of getting women pregnant and her either murdering his baby or having the baby and he doesn't raise it. It's not good to the next generation. There are also the spiritual ramifications of the sexual sin through all these scenarios. You have to be judged by God whether you believe in Him or not.
If you don't have any sense of ethics at all and the lack of foresight to think about treating other people how you want to be treated, you might think that way. But if you think about it, tempting a married woman to sleep with you is bad to the other man. Your getting his wife to cheat on you. It's beyond disrespectful to him. how is that 'gynocentric.'
I had sex with my wife last night. She cooked a nice meal for me a while ago, Korean ribs. I'm laying over here on the computer taking care of some things I need to and enjoying myself. I didn't have to hire someone last night. I didn't have to leave the house to go to a restaurant. I don't feel lonely. I'm not stressed trying to think of some kind of pick up line. Where is the misery here?
Most of the MGTOW people I've interacted with seem irrational. MGTOW people treat it like it's a religion, like it's some sort of deep truth that marriage is bad and will make you unhappy. It doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of happily married people around. There certainly were lots of them back before the feminist movement and the increase of the divorce rate. And conservative marriages where women do 'women's work' and men do 'men's work' have more sex, too. There is a lot to be said for marrying a traditional, conservative woman. There are a lot of traditional women in other countries that worth marrying and even bringing back if one wants to live in the US.
Also, divorce rates are low in some countries, so for a lot of people who live outside of the US, a lot of the MGTOW arguments don't really apply.
It is now confirmed, you're a Cuck given your defensiveness and your ridiculous advocating of the traditional male slavery model via marriage.
It is common sense (no study needed for intelligent people) that of the people who marry, roughly 50% of people actually divorce and roughly 30% to 40% more stay together for reasons of finances, children or family/religious/community obligation. This can deduced from numerous polls that show how people who are married more than 10 years are MISERABLE people who would not do it if they have the chance to decide again. But if you can't see what is so clear without some cited "study," then there is no wonder why you think marriage is good thing for men. You're just not that bright.
Along with your defensiveness, the picture you paint of your mundane marriage is one of unmitigated drudgery which will only get worse over time. Will you still delude yourself when your wife is 10 years uglier and 20 pounds fatter? Check your denial before you try to pull the wool over us please.
If your wife decides to up leave you before you tire of her, please do let us know so you will have some measure of support. I can't guarantee that I will not say I told you so, but at least you'll have some means to walk you "away from the ledge" so to speak.
Stop living the lie and admit that you made a mistake in getting married and encourage other men to forgo slavery to the state, to children, and to an increasingly unsightly wife via marriage.
It is now confirmed, you're a Cuck given your defensiveness and your ridiculous advocating of the traditional male slavery model via marriage.
It is common sense (no study needed for intelligent people) that of the people who marry, roughly 50% of people actually divorce and roughly 30% to 40% more stay together for reasons of finances, children or family/religious/community obligation. This can deduced from numerous polls that show how people who are married more than 10 years are MISERABLE people who would not do it if they have the chance to decide again. But if you can't see what is so clear without some cited "study," then there is no wonder why you think marriage is good thing for men. You're just not that bright.[/quote]
I didn't realize you were MGTOW until this thread. Honestly, you seemed a bit too educated and well-spoken (written?) to be MGTOW, but you follow their MO to the T. You don't have much substance to argue your case, so you throw insults at those who disagree with you. The other MGTOWs I have encountered did the same. A difference though, is that you can spell.
I'm not self conscious about my intelligence or these other things you list hear. I've got advanced degrees and a good job in a great field to be in. I enjoy being married to my wife.
Your arguments don't hold water with me or a lot of people around here. Since I live overseas, certain aspects of US culture and the legal system don't apply to me. I don't know anyone in the country I live in who pays alimony. I don't know that many divorced people, except back home in the US. What you say doesn't even apply that much to a man who marries a quality woman and takes her back to the US.
I really do understand the MGTOW rhetoric coming from a tired old divorced man who is bitter over losing everything in a divorce. It doesn't make sense to me that a young man would have such a negative and skewed perspective on life. It's one of these philosophies that accepts defeat. It's like a religious tenant that says, "if you marry, it will turn out bad" without considering the variables, like marrying a suitable partner (rare in some places), or just removing the whole MGTOW argument by living in a somewhat 'male-dominated' culture where
You seem to be young and the fact that you will also get older and uglier, maybe even fatter, isn't a really salient fact for you. I realize that my wife will age, but based on what I see so far, she's keeping her looks better than I am. She is a few years younger, but I suspect it is just her genes or skin care and diet habits. I know we'll both get old and ugly. If you continue the player life style, deluding yourself that condoms prevent just about all diseases (and as a married I have sex that feels like real sex, btw, without a condom), what are you going to do when you are old and ugly? If my wife gets too old-looking, I can just turn out the light. What are you going to do? Sleep with prostitutes? When you are young, you have a high sex drive. Maybe the sex drive is enough to distract you from how cold and empty sleeping with a prostitute must be. There are other emotional aspects of sex that you learn to appreciate as that 20's sex drive calms down a bit to where you could sleep if you skip a night. How are you going to get that with one-night stands and prostitutes.
You might just want some companionship and someone who actually cares about you, and someone to care for, as you get older.
Marriage has been around for thousands of years, and for most of it, it hasn't resembled 'male slavery.' That's not the case when men are in charge. Men have responsibilities to their families. That's a normal thing. Don't just look at the cog, yourself. Look at the wheel. If there are no daddies, boys are raised without fathers. Is that a good thing for the boys or not? Put yourself on the end of the boy raised without a father before you consider whether men sleeping around with strange women they meet in bars and prostitutes is the way for a society to function.
Again, this is the happier abroad forum. Your US-specific arguments don't apply to living overseas, at least in the majority of countries.
Also, if 50% of marriages end in divorce, consider that a certain percentage of people are serial divorcees. Some percentage of the population divorce two, three, or even five times. The 50% number includes second and third marriages ending in divorce. 50% of marriages ending in divorce isn't the same as 50% of people who marry getting a divorce. You pull your statistics about what percent of people are happy or stay together for the kids out of thin air, as I thought.
You still just don't get it, and perhaps you never will until it is too late.
First off, I am likely significantly older and more experienced than you. Second, I too live abroad primarily and still decry marriage as an option. Third, there are doctors, lawyers, and Phds who live the MGTOW lifestyle so basing your perception of MGTOW off of some pubescent internet fora is going to fail you in understanding the mindset. At this point there is a plethora of BOOKS on the subject of MGTOW but I would not advise a married man like yourself to read them because it might trigger a crisis of realization that you are indeed a slave although you do not realize it. Ester Vilar, the author of The Manipulated Man, would detail your slave condition piece by piece. And yes, overseas you are a slave too if you are married.
Regarding companionship, marriage is no guarantee of that. Spouses die, leave, divorce, and fall infirm in the latter years of life leaving the other spouse alone. A MGTOW like myself can continue to have women half his age in and out of my life at my pleasure.
And to your singing the praises of sex with your wife, who the hell wants to have sex with the same woman for years on end? If your content with that, then at some point she will see the light and cheat on or leave you.
The Cuck who praises marriage, Thinks he's in heaven but he's living in hell" to quote Bob Marley. The question is just WHEN will you come to know this?
Over the years, I have seen the tendency for the most arrogant pro-marriage cucks to fall the hardest. This likely awaits you given your benighted and naive view of your abject servitude. But then again, just as "The woman doth protesth too much," I sense deep down you know the MGTOW view of marriage is correct but to salvage your dignity, you continue to espouse (pun intended) the lies that MGTOW have refuted long ago.
Do come forward and admit it when the inevitable downfall finally comes.