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Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby gnosis » May 17th, 2016, 3:08 am

Here's an interesting article in Nature: http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110831/full/477020a.html

Basically, it details how researchers are expected to work longer and longer hours. The average scientist now works about 50 hours a week. Of course pay hasn't increased, and competition for professorships is brutal. Any one here who has or has considered a career in science/research? What is your opinion?
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby xiongmao » May 18th, 2016, 5:15 pm

I did a PhD (Biochemistry). I lasted in the industry for 3 months, then went and worked in IT for the next 18 years!
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby gnosis » May 18th, 2016, 6:44 pm

xiongmao wrote:I did a PhD (Biochemistry). I lasted in the industry for 3 months, then went and worked in IT for the next 18 years!


Are you still in IT? Would be interested to hear about what the industry is like now. Still good or not?
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Ghost » May 19th, 2016, 1:17 am

I know nothing about jobs in the sciences, but I imagine it can't be doing well since companies can easily important scientists from the third world on H1-B visas to work for half the pay.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Moretorque » May 19th, 2016, 1:43 am

The whole entire system is going down the tubes, they will not be getting the best talent out there for sure......your best people will opt out.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Cornfed » May 19th, 2016, 7:10 am

Is much actual scientific research going on at all. It seems like a dead industry to me.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Moretorque » May 19th, 2016, 12:29 pm

Cornfed wrote:Is much actual scientific research going on at all. It seems like a dead industry to me.



It's going on but underground like the old soviet model which mostly means research through the theft of others labors and hard work.... which means your best talent will opt out and we are not going forward in typical Comrade soviet block banker fashion.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby gnosis » May 19th, 2016, 4:40 pm

Cornfed wrote:Is much actual scientific research going on at all. It seems like a dead industry to me.


The publish or perish culture kills creativity. As does a lack of funding for basic research and other problems. I suspect that fraud is also up as well as just sloppy work. R&D departments for some companies still doing good work, but I don't know if that's the norm or not.

I think academia is pretty much a hell hole now. Bright post docs and grad students just getting exploited. But that's my opinion, I'm not in grad school.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Moretorque » May 19th, 2016, 6:40 pm

According to Catherine Austin Fitt's there are 10's of trillions missing in hidden projects and that's just the US dollar, a lot of it in technologies not to be seen by the sheeple. I suspect their talent pool is dwindling as seen by the latest military hardware the complex is turning out.

Debasing a civilization, directed by monetary policy based on phony credits controlling rigged financial markets for mass consumption, how else would you expect it to turn out ? Hopefully for them they have enough momentum to keep the structure for world government marching forward but by the looks of it I doubt it.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby xiongmao » May 26th, 2016, 2:48 pm

Yes still in IT and getting better now that I am senior level and there are very few programmers of my age still programming.

I'm also doing a lot more system design/business analysis - H1-B's aren't generally good at this anyway, but here in the UK they're making it harder to get work visas so it's a non issue.

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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Dragon » May 28th, 2016, 8:57 am

They're studying the wrong things. Instead, they should follow Winston's example. He has a Ph.D in Bar Girl Anatomy.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Hero » May 28th, 2016, 11:38 am

I have a Ph.D. in Math. I spent 15 years in academia and it was horrible. I switched to the insurance business.
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby gnosis » May 28th, 2016, 2:45 pm

Hero wrote:I have a Ph.D. in Math. I spent 15 years in academia and it was horrible. I switched to the insurance business.


So what exactly is your job now? Do you like it?
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby gnosis » May 28th, 2016, 2:46 pm

xiongmao wrote:Yes still in IT and getting better now that I am senior level and there are very few programmers of my age still programming.

I'm also doing a lot more system design/business analysis - H1-B's aren't generally good at this anyway, but here in the UK they're making it harder to get work visas so it's a non issue.

IT is cyclical so you do need a plan for the downturns, however I managed to keep working during the 08-10 crash.


What's a good way to get into IT? Are certs valued if you don't have any other experience?
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Re: Nighmare Lab: The State of Science Careers

Postby Moretorque » May 28th, 2016, 3:19 pm

Hero wrote:I have a Ph.D. in Math. I spent 15 years in academia and it was horrible. I switched to the insurance business.


tHIS IS EXACTLY WhY modern CIVILIZATION IS HEADED FOR A BIG BIG CRASH, you should be very much respected and you should be proud of your math skills and what you attempted to do.....
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