Have you ever thought about tracphones? I have two phones. One is an old style phone with physical number pad. That's the one I have a service plan on. My other phone is a tracphone that I don't use for calls. The tracphone is touchscreen and runs Android, so I use apps (Skype included) on it. It cost me 11 dollars and I use it to read ebooks or listen to music.Tsar wrote:I haven't done Skype yet. I'm 26 and she's 16. I don't think I'd be able to do Skype with her because I on'y speak English and very basic Russian. She only speaks Russian and probably Belarusian. Maybe a Skype texting chat where we see each other in real-time with webcam might be possible once I get to know her better.chanta76 wrote:Tsar,
Have you done skype yet? Do they have skype? How old are you? Don't put everything in one basket. Always have a back up plan.
First thing first RELAX. I guess you don't have allot experience with women so you might fumble allot but relax and just have fun.
I am very sure that she probably has Skype. I know she has a smartphone and a regular computer because I see the icons. I only have a computer so I have the computer icon. I never owned a Smartphone, they're too expensive at the moment and I don't really want that bill. I don't have any friends anyway, so why do I need a smartphone in America?
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I'll think about getting one but I currently use the PC version of Skype on my desktop. Do you need any plan to use a tracphone or could I own one without a service plan and no data plan for free and still use the apps and stuff? I know I'm probably one of the few Millennials that doesn't own a smartphone and never owned one. I might like one but I never really really wanted one enough to get one.
The tracphone I have, I remember I paid 11 dollars for the device. There's no plan, but if I wanted to make calls on it, I could pay $10, $20, $50 for certain amounts of minutes or data. I don't use it for that though, so I just download apps through wifi. If I want to add books or music to the device, I download the files on my computer first. Then I connect the phone through the usb charging cable and transfer the files. Basically it's like having all the advantages of a smart phone without paying a lot of money. Or a pocket sized tablet is another way to put it. I use my regular old style phone for calls.
Not to demoralize you, brother - in a way I genuinely admire your ambition and your unwillingness to settle for less then absolute perfection - but the type of girls you are going for are supermodels. They are a very specific type of girl: sixteen-something, beautiful faces, athletic bodies, white of Russian or Eastern European background. They all have online profiles, which can be viewed and stalked by no doubt thousands of men. These are the cream of the crop, some of the finest and most desirable women in the world. The type of girls that, if they wanted, could end up with a guy like Leonardo DiCaprio. Or a bachelor Bill Gates or some Sillicon Valley tycoon of lesser looks but far greater social and financial potential and standing...
These are girls sheikhs would fly out in their private jets. The type of girls that could go anywhere they wanted, could get any man they wanted, marry any man they wanted... some of them will come from traditional Orthodox families, families that they will be devoted to and to marry some poor, young romantic soul with little to offer them in terms of a better life, would almost feel like betraying their family to them. They have, quite frankly, far better options.
You're a good guy. You would make a young woman very happy by marrying her, but I don't think the 10\10 Victoria Secret's type of girl is the type of girl you have a chance with. It's not your looks, it's not your personality. It's not that this type of girl is neccesarily a golddigger by default... but any of these girls could effortlessly land a millionaire, and chances are most of them will.
Do you just want a jailbait girl, a good and faithful wife who looks good enough, cooks good enough, takes care of you and give you a family and a traditional life? Or do you want a 10 out of 10 goddess, physical perfection, a classic Greek statue come to life that all men will envy you for being with?
Marcos, I think you should read my George Clooney thread …
What a woman wants, whether she's a 5, or an 8 to 10, is a man who's *made it*, in her book. It's not just having a bunch of jet planes and livery services, which make it happen. I'm talking about a healthy woman here, not some sociopath nor some *battered wife* personality.
Since Mel and I had forged the path towards settling down, I went from a regular professional guy to that of a Clooney. I'd even argue, that that Arab woman, who was a 10 in my thread, is better looking and if she gets into Harvard (or Columbia or wherever), is just as academically credentialed, as George's wife, Amal. So I know what it's like to be the most desirable guy in my sphere of influence.
The truth is that it's a long road.
Those Silicon Valley guys, who stumble upon cash and then suddenly, attract all the bimbos from So Cal who want a rich guy, don't have the stuff. In the end, those women don't care for the man. In this case, knowing that Mel and I have something special, they respect me and thus, want a part of that deal, something which they never had to work on earlier because they thought that it was their looks which got 'em everything.
Yes, Mel is an attractive woman (best look-a-like I can come up with is Kay Hanley below) but to be honest, even if she wasn't, I'd still want to be with her.
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I think you are being overly negative about my chances with a girl as attractive as her.
Many millionaires only marry girls in their own country. The world's highest concentration of millionaires and billionaires are in America, Canada, the UK, China, India, Israel, and Japan. A lot of guys do prefer to marry girls of their own race. There are also a lot of millionaires and billionaires in Russia. But many times they marry women from their own countries because a lot of them do not marry with another race. Also, some men in those countries also marry within their own religion. There's also generational wealth and a global structural economic problem meaning the world is entering more of a caste system with a lot of poor and a lot of wealthy.
I saw a wedding picture while browsing VK of a girl that would probably be a 7/10 or 7.5/10, with a guy much less attractive than I am and probably 2-5 years younger. I doubt he is much more financially better off than I am but she probably knew him awhile. So lot's of attractive, very attractive, extremely attractive, and goddess level perfection girls aren't marrying guys rated a 9 out of 10 or 10 out of 10.
Also, realistically, a good number of girls, even if they are a 10 out of 10 (or an 8 or 9 out of 10) aren't going to become supermodels, female sports models, or marry into money.
You also forget that some hot girls don't want a monogamous relationship with a guy but choose a career in porn. Most people marry their own ethnicity and aren't looking abroad.
Also, many White Slavic girls are more conservative or something then they'll probably stick with a white guy, especially one with some Slavic ancestry.
You also forget that many Western men are not going to be into a girl that's a jailbait or even consider dating a girl that's age 18-22 because of the American social conditioning.
The typical marriage age is 18-20 for a good girl or marriage-minded Slavic girl. Yulia Dorosh who was my favorite girl until this one I'm messaging, replaced Yulia's status as all-time favorite. Yulia was married at age 19 or before her 20th birthday, shortly after I joined or before the 1 year mark when I joined. She was born in 1993 and was married before her 20th birthday in 2013. Yulia married what seemed like just an above average guy close to her own age if not her own age, Yulia was a model and beauty pageant contestant (although there is little information about her, and I believe she deleted her online presence).
Contrast that with Vera who is an actual supermodel and whose fame only increased since I posted about her (theprimebait when he was a member was the one who informed me of Vera way back when he was around). Since then she deleted her VK and created a new better one. She is going to be 22 and doesn't seem serious about relationships, takes more selfies than a hot American girl, looks to be narcissistic and arrogant and full of herself. She has pictures partying, in limousines, and even have some pictures of the covers of porn DVD titles she likes (don't know why else they would be on there, not too mention she is part of a special closed-group where she can watch those exclusive titles free since she was invited by Site Administrators to that group).
So what kind of guy, what kind of lifestyle, and if she wants to marry a good guy, a wealthy guy, be independent and self-absorbed model, or become a porn star all depends on the girl, her upbringing, and social experiences. Not every girl will be the same or want the same.
Just consider this:
A 10 out of 10 American girl wouldn't ever bother messaging me and they wouldn't want anything except to be a supermodel or marry a perfect guy (like the movie stars you mentioned. Many wouldn't even want a Geeky Billionaire type, they'd want some muscular rapper or rock star instead because American and many Western girls want everything: the career, the lifestyle, the guy who is hot/funny/muscular/aggressive/etc).
A 10 out of 10 Slavic girl did message me and is the hottest girl that ever messaged me. I would say she is hotter than Yulia and Vera since this girl has almost everything every girl I ever liked either in real life or saw pictures or videos of combined into one, not to mention she's an actual jailbait. That counts for something even if she isn't romantically interested in me, it just proves that they are willing to give me a chance if I was there in person and was able to have a way to meet them in person. With foreign girls there are still a large number that aren't like Western girls.
I look at supermodels and a lot of them are not attractive. Most supermodels in the West are lucky if they are a 8. Not too mention many are airbrushed or have a lot of makeup. Natural beauty like what Yulia and this current girl have are much rarer than the enhanced beauty of the typical model.
Yulia - seemed like a good girl type, never replied to me back in the Winter of 2012 when I believed I messaged her, and was married in her 19th year of age. A a fair amount of pictures with some male friends.
Vera - see what I mentioned above about her. She's 22 and isn't married, seems like she parties a lot and isn't into serious relationships, and like she's full of herself. More selfies than an American girl. More details in the post above.
This current girl - Has a lot of female friends, is more athletic, no pictures with guys (until she started competitive cheer), and based on her profile is a good girl type. Not a single selfie and very selective about friend requests. I think she will be a lot like Yulia if not better quality than Yulia.
So out of those three girls that all are a 10 out of 10, there are major differences between them. Just highlights how it's not as hopeless for me to get a good girl that's a 10 out of 10 (and happens to be a jailbait) as you make it out to be. I always knew it wouldn't be easy, especially with my high standards, but this current girl proved to me I have a relatively decent chance if I am able to meet the right ones (as in the ones that are more like the girl I'm messaging or like Yulia that was a marriage-minded girl, and the ones that are NOT like Vera).
Also, I do not require a 10 out of 10. Ideally I'd be with an 8 out of 10, 9 out of 10, or 10 out of 10 on the physically attractiveness rankings. A 7 out of 10 which is very attractive is also a possibility because I could boost her ranking by a point by being like a personal trainer.
Then there's future value. Not every girl marries a millionaire, many marry guys that become upper-class or millionaires. Sometimes they can also work as a team to achieve that status.
Hmm. Id recommend not developing oneitis for any girl. Especially one that you have never met in real life. Always assume every girl online isnt telling the truth, why would they have to? Dont put the cart before the horse. Choose your country first, get a job/stable income, women will follow after. You dont want to be in a situation where you like the girl but hate the country/culture. And of course you dont ever want to bring a girl back to a western nation.
Tsar my standards are lower than yours but still high. A girl doesn't need to be underage or virgin for me. I would like a 10/10 though.
I think it's hard for an average guy to get a 8+. Most men would kill for this. But you face a unique challenge beyond getting a 8+.
Let's assume she likes you. Here are all the problems you still have:
- She has a two year jail bait expiration date (set by you). So you need to attract, court and meet her within 2 years.
- You are broke. You can't afford a smart phone to text her, yet you'll need to buy a $1000 plane ticket to visit her.
- What you plan to do is illegal.
So you will need to move fast, make money and break the law on top of attracting someone who's in the top 1%.
Yeah, I agree with all of this. Oneitis is a bad deal.
The girl I'm talking with most likely isn't going to more than just a friend if that. Besides, I said she was sixteen but I never told you her birthday (which being very clever found it out without being told when it was thanks to a little trick I used in the past but forgot about for awhile. So she's borderline 17. Once a girl turns 18, no interest in pursuing her romantically or for anything more than friendship. Maybe FWB if I really thought she was exceptional and decided I didn't care about the exceptional FWB being not a virgin).
In most of the world I doubt courting a jailbait would be illegal. Maybe uncommon but not necessarily illegal.
I am not really broke as you think I am. I could buy a smartphone but I can't justify it based on my current social situation and I wouldn't want the monthly plan. Smartphones are just a way to isolate people and allow them to be tracked, monitored, and live more on the internet than real socializing. I could afford a $1,000 plan ticket if I wanted to use my money that way.
Everyone knows I'm serious about being with a jailbait. Did everyone just think I was trolling? When I message girls on VK, I typically message 16 and 17 year olds. Just go back and read my old jailbait posts. I'm not posting about that on this forum anymore since I did a lot of it in the past.
I don't need to be in a relationship for 2 years to marry a girl. 30 days to six months would be enough time if she's a jailbait and if I spend enough of that time with her, once I find the dream girl I'd eventually be with.
How do you think courting a jailbait foreign illegal? That's probably American social engineering working at its finest. Having sex with jailbait would most likely be illegal but marrying a jailbait then having sex with her when she's your wife is legal.
I only need to move faster than those nations gain economically and faster than the dollar/America collapses.
Being with a jailbait isn't breaking the law, it's breaking societal norms and maybe some unwritten American social laws. American law does not transcend international boundaries.
I'm going to be abroad at least three months next year and maybe one month this very fall when it cools off a bit in the Northern Hemisphere. You'll get to see my travel report when I post one.
I won't post about my current economic situation and go off-topic but it's better than you might think in many regards. I might be a peasant, but I'm not a slave or a serf. A peasant is far better than a slave or a serf. If a person with approximately $35,000 - $40,000 in total assets is a peasant, that's me right now. I just refuse to convert most of them into cash or spend all my cash. I stick to a budget, don't buy the coolest gadget or a video game I really really want (because I would rather have money to benefit my future). I don't want a smartphone, a new video game, or some new cool gadget because I want the money to increase my chance at a dream girl. The one saying that is very true is that "It takes money to make money" which is why the rich keep getting richer. I might not be exactly where I want to financially but I will probably still be better off than a lot of people my age aka in my generation.
Here's a decent socioeconomic pyramid I developed:
The secret Trillionaire Elite (like the Rothschilds) - no one gets this high except the leading families of the Cabal.
Billionaires - only people that get this high are the very exceptional people that make it with old family money or worked in a certain profession with powerful connections. Many are affiliated or members of the Cabal. (People like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet earn more in dividends in 1 year than people could earn in 400 lifetimes)
Mega Millionaires aka Centimillionaires - most royalty, dictators, long-term CEOs, sport stars, movie stars, and singers make it or are on this level.
Decamillionaire (this is usually the ceiling for anyone except old money, dynasties, former nobility, insiders to political regimes or governments, or a connection to the Rothschild Cabal). It would be a miracle for most people to achieve the $10,000,000 level.
Multi-millionaire - $2,000,000-$9,999,999
Millionaire (1% of Americans will ever make it this high in their lifetime. The odds are even lower for my generation)
Upper Upper Class
Upper-Class (50% chance I will be here within two years)
Lower Middle Class (I'd say there's a 20% chance I get here by the end of the year depending upon if a high risk investment pays off if I enter into it)
Peasant (I was probably poor back when I joined but I moved up a ranking since I doubled or tripled my assets and even my bank balance, along with some other stuff. If my parents didn't screw up everything I'd be borderline lower-middle-class instead of peasant)
Poor (most likely works, unable to move up in life, little assets or savings, goes through money quickly)
Serf (working and getting nowhere)
Slave (student loan debt serf working and getting nowhere)
The Under-Class ($0 and homeless)
I don't need a Top 1% jailbait, I need a hot jailbait, which means probably 10%-20% of all foreign girls could probably ranked a 7 or greater. I can be a girl's personal trainer and give her some of the things I take (to improve my tones and burn very stubborn fat, which is how people improve tones). So odds are if I get a 7, I could invest some time and money into improving her appearance to that of a 7.5 to an 8. I could do the same if I got an 8 but that would just improve her rank to a full nine since the investment would have far more improvements on a more attractive girl considering.
It's a lot more possible and positive than many believe it to be.
Underage (aka jailbait) is the only way to increase the probability of the girl being a virgin and developing a closer bond with a guy. Won't rehash old posts except odds are most girls are not virgins past age 18, especially hot ones. That's why ideally I would marry a girl when she is 16 or a few months after her sixteenth birthday, or when she's late 15. Note how my range was 15-17 but ideally 16 in old posts. Even 17.5 is taking as much of a gamble as if the girl was 18.
I think a lot of it has to do with once a girl has a lot of experience with guys, then she refuses to be with most men. The older a woman is, the more demanding she is if she isn't married. Many average guys or guys that aren't anything special from what I saw are with 8s, 9s, and even 10s. Maybe not true in America, but foreign girls, yes. I've seen 7s and maybe 8s with guys that are far less physically attractive than I am. I have been rated a 7, sometimes an 8 by girls based on my pictures I put up when I had that poll up. So compared to a lot of guys I'm much better looking and more physically attractive.
Once again, courting a jailbait is not illegal and even if it was, is, or became illegal, it is not unethical, not immoral, and not unjust. I'd risk breaking the law to get the girl of my dreams.
Courting isn't illegal but sex is. I assume you want sex with your jailbait while she is jailbait. But you answered my question. You will need to break the law or marry. Marriage to jail bait would seem harder than breaking the law. In any case you clarified some things. You're not broke and a 7 is fine for you. So I guess some of what I said doesn't apply.
I am curious about something though. Is your preference with jailbait for how they look at that age 15-17 or because they're better at forming a bond and likely to be a virgin? I ask because if your interrest is physical, then after three years (maximum) what will you do?
I am not attracted to every 15-17 year old jailbait. Only the attractive or hot ones (as in toned bodies, look like models which means they look older than they are because they are biologically adults, probably a C Cup Size) but the biggest thing is the high probability of getting one that's a virgin. Marrying one isn't as difficult if I got parental approval and then with that go to their court to get approval. Living in their country close to the parents and being able to support the girl would probably be enough, especially if I was respectable and respected their culture which I am and would. Marrying a girl means sex with her is legal because upon marriage she becomes legally my wife. Therefore, no laws broken. If the American media heard about it, I'd be famous like Doug Hutchinson.
If I married an attractive hot virgin foreign jailbait girl, I'd stay married to her after she is 18 and for as long as she is faithful (and remains hot by exercising, eating right, etc).
A 7 is perfectly fine because I could get her to a 7.5 or 8. Being her personal trainer, giving her some clenbuterol to help with tones, and stuff could boost her ranking. The more attractive a girl, the better it could work. An 8 could go to a 9 or 9.5. A nine could easily go to a 10. If I take clenbuterol from time to time, then it would be something a girl could take with me. It's for people wanting to improve their tones (burns away stubborn fat, works the best with cardio exercises, already having a great body weight, and healthy eating on a caloric deficit). Clenbuterol is not a steroid, it's a "miracle fat burner and tone improve" to be taken a maximum of 2 weeks then 2-4 weeks off as a the typical cycle.
"giving her some clenbuterol to help with tones"
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