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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Adama » March 9th, 2017, 5:38 pm

Jonny Law wrote:

"they are white. No 'system' kept them down despite very severe AA against white men."
Affirmative Action is OK I guess?

"Many young saffers emigrate and do very well in the west."
HMM :idea:, Why do these AMAZING WONDERFUL WHITES have to leave their country for work elsewhere?
Captain Obvious says: The Whites are leaving SA and other countries because it sucks their home countries.
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No one wants them oh boo hoo hoo. No woman will sleep with them oh my, what a shock. Face it, trash has always existed and always will. The rest of the world doesn't care that you want to cry in your hovel.
You are Jew minded worthless piece of shit of you believe that abandoning Whites is a great idea.
1. Do not give a shit about Whites suffering in SA
2. Let the intelligent successful Whites in SA immigrate to other Western countries
GENIUS :idea:


From a quick observation I would venture a guess that "race" just seems like it is the most important factor. Apparently it is "class" first and "race" is only a secondary but never overlooked factor. Because if someone is not of the appropriate class, then their race is disregarded and they are treated as trash. In essence, upper class whites only.

Unfortunately, those in the lower class who can't ascend into the higher class are the same as the "kaffirs" that "need to be culled."
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Adama » March 9th, 2017, 6:26 pm

Masculine&Proud wrote:I am new here so I don't want to offend, but I am a conservative and I was taught to respect my elders.


I always considered my elders to be the deacons of the church, older siblings, uncles and aunts, parents. For other people though, they consider it to simply be anyone who is more than 5 years older than them.

I'm all for respecting people as fellow humans, naturally. I'm even for letting them speak first, not interrupting them when they talk, and other common courtesies.

I don't consider strangers on the internet to be my elders.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby JohnDoeBigBaller » March 9th, 2017, 7:05 pm

Baby boomers are not respectable people. They are selfish and only think of themselves. They sold out their own children's future through multiculturalism, feminism, and liberalism.

Once the boomers are dead and gone, things will really start to change fast. The baby boomers are brainwashed idiots who support Israel and Jews no matter what. Once the boomers die off, we can truly begin the race war to wipe out the Jewish cancer.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Nailer » March 25th, 2017, 4:38 am

JohnDoeBigBaller wrote:Baby boomers are not respectable people. They are selfish and only think of themselves. They sold out their own children's future through multiculturalism, feminism, and liberalism.

Once the boomers are dead and gone, things will really start to change fast. The baby boomers are brainwashed idiots who support Israel and Jews no matter what. Once the boomers die off, we can truly begin the race war to wipe out the Jewish cancer.
f**k the baby boomers, they deserve to have their heads mounted on sticks for what they did to us.

I seriously don't know how much of the problem is Jewish. There are a lot of white leaders who happily sold their race down the river.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Jeremy » March 25th, 2017, 12:43 pm

It was way easier to be successful back in their day. You always hear stories like, "I walked into the bank / construction site / firm, asked for a job, and they hired me on the spot. A few years later I was running the place." Can you imagine anyone pulling that off nowadays? NO! You'd need a four year specialized degree with work experience and five solid references just to even be in the running for entry level. Have to be a "rockstar" for the most menial jobs (I've actually seen that terminology used for minimum wage job postings). Then if you were lucky you'd be given the privilege of working like a dog just to keep your head above water.

It's the same with dating. They just had to show up, while we're forced to compete for a vanishingly small pool of thin, non-hypergamous girls who'll take their eyes of their iPhones for two seconds. You can see it in the pervasiveness of gym culture and metrosexuality among young men. Do you think anyone "lifted" 30 years ago? Lol

Never listen to a baby boomer when it comes to anything career or dating related.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby jamesbond » March 25th, 2017, 1:18 pm

JohnDoeBigBaller wrote:If prostitution isn't legalized then so many young men will just stay as frustrated celibates. What happens when such men snap and go on killing sprees?

Just f***ing legalize prostitution already. America will become a much more chilled out and relaxed place to live as a result. People as it stands right now, are so f***ing sexually repressed in America.


America is one of the few countries in the world that has not legalized prostitution. It makes a lot of sense to legalize it, men would be able to get their sexual needs met, women would be able to make some extra cash and the government would get a lot of money in tax revenue from the legalization of prostitution. :D
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Eric » March 25th, 2017, 7:40 pm

Cornfed wrote:It seems to me that many older men on this forum look down on younger white men for not having large sums of money thrown at them by the system, despite the fact that they are clearly being discriminated against. Apparently they are supposed to have come up with some magical solution to the problem, ensuring that they would be handed lots of money like they would have been in the past, and not doing so makes them inferior to men in the past. This despite the fact that older generations never had to do any such thing and of course failed to do any such thing for the benefit of their children.

Lets take a concrete example. I have an older relative who is now a surgeon of some renown, which of course means he is not exactly living in abject poverty. To me this means he was lucky to get in on a good thing back in the day, passed his exams, accepted his then guaranteed job, turned up to work, was brought forward in an environment where highly skilled older physicians were expected to spend a lot of time training him, and as a bonus he turned out to be talented at what he was doing - something he couldn’t really have know before he started. So of course good for him and he fully deserves his rewards. But some on this forum would think he must be some specially magically superior godlike figure and guaranteed success no matter what.

Now consider if he were applying to med school today. He simply wouldn’t get in. He went to a not so great rural school and his scores, though high, would not now be able to grant him guaranteed access, especially with all the foreign students now admitted. And with affirmative action, he would have no chance of getting in any other way. But, you say, he could have done something else and been equally successful. Well maybe, but looking at the situation, it probably would have been the same story. By the time he graduated, the market likely would be flooded. He would probably be unemployed now if subjected to conditions anything like faced by current young Western men. But you say, he would have thought of something, since he must be so brilliant because the system hands him much money. I can tell you with some confidence that he wouldn’t. He was and is a classic study & work hard and play by the rules and you will be rewarded guy, and luckily for both him and the world he got in on the tail end of a world where that worked.

So could people criticizing young men for being “basement dwelling losers” please tell me why they are inferior to my relative, when they could have been him if only they had been born in the right time, and what exactly they are supposed to do, or what you imagine he would do in their place.


No, you're right. It's about time someone made a post about this. Especially someone in an older generation - it is really appreciated. This is the gist of what I've felt my whole life. I have many angry sentiments toward the boomers because I also see how shortsighted, blind and ignorant they are...all while expecting and getting mad at their kids for 'not being successful', when none of the conditions arise for success...that gave rise to it in the past. Say, a stable society, homogenous population, Christianity still into the infrastructure (moral order and ethics and decency/ hard work, trust, responsibility and friendship), no multi cultural immigration. But I haven't even started yet; those generations never got hit with the destructive education that we did; NOT LIKE WE DID. My God, it's like we've been raised up by decent parents on one hand only on the other to be bombarded in an endless and saturating campaign at dumbing our instincts, dumbing us down, killing our work ethic - indoctrinating us into socialist ideals, culture, attitudes and trends....while punishing hard work, independence and stigmatizing the "successful achiever". There was no promulgation of homosexuality widespread.... the endless race strifes that define every corner of our culture now.
You could as was said, live in a reasonably healthy society and walk into a reasonable job - wherein there you would meet a boss and people you could get to know, talk to and associate - without PC invading it. You could work hard and expect to stay in one place and have some stability. Now the job market is ever changing. No one values you - you could disappear in a second for 5,000 other candidates lined up at the door.

The biggest thing is that there's no morale. This society has been completely degenerated, and it's affected morale and degraded everything and everyone. There is this wide sense that there's no use doing anything anymore, there's no motivation. Without motivation, without the pillars that hold society up and drive it's members, people won't do anything. It's stagnant, that's how I feel.
What's the point of getting a high paying job? So that I can stay lonely for the rest of my life? Work hard...so that the gov can ass rape me, I'll be even more lonely, and friendless and to impress wives who will leave me or who are all trash? The culture's been degraded, that's so important.

There's just no motivation to move forward, there's very little if nothing to look forward to. Everyone knows that the society is in perpetual endless tumult. It's unstable, why are we going to build a nest or make out a nice and decorated room on a sinking Titanic ship?
That's the feeling.


I don't know what to do about this problem. There's just no motivation and a real demoralization. I don't know a solution.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Eric » March 25th, 2017, 7:40 pm

Cornfed wrote:It seems to me that many older men on this forum look down on younger white men for not having large sums of money thrown at them by the system, despite the fact that they are clearly being discriminated against. Apparently they are supposed to have come up with some magical solution to the problem, ensuring that they would be handed lots of money like they would have been in the past, and not doing so makes them inferior to men in the past. This despite the fact that older generations never had to do any such thing and of course failed to do any such thing for the benefit of their children.

Lets take a concrete example. I have an older relative who is now a surgeon of some renown, which of course means he is not exactly living in abject poverty. To me this means he was lucky to get in on a good thing back in the day, passed his exams, accepted his then guaranteed job, turned up to work, was brought forward in an environment where highly skilled older physicians were expected to spend a lot of time training him, and as a bonus he turned out to be talented at what he was doing - something he couldn’t really have know before he started. So of course good for him and he fully deserves his rewards. But some on this forum would think he must be some specially magically superior godlike figure and guaranteed success no matter what.

Now consider if he were applying to med school today. He simply wouldn’t get in. He went to a not so great rural school and his scores, though high, would not now be able to grant him guaranteed access, especially with all the foreign students now admitted. And with affirmative action, he would have no chance of getting in any other way. But, you say, he could have done something else and been equally successful. Well maybe, but looking at the situation, it probably would have been the same story. By the time he graduated, the market likely would be flooded. He would probably be unemployed now if subjected to conditions anything like faced by current young Western men. But you say, he would have thought of something, since he must be so brilliant because the system hands him much money. I can tell you with some confidence that he wouldn’t. He was and is a classic study & work hard and play by the rules and you will be rewarded guy, and luckily for both him and the world he got in on the tail end of a world where that worked.

So could people criticizing young men for being “basement dwelling losers” please tell me why they are inferior to my relative, when they could have been him if only they had been born in the right time, and what exactly they are supposed to do, or what you imagine he would do in their place.


No, you're right. It's about time someone made a post about this. Especially someone in an older generation - it is really appreciated. This is the gist of what I've felt my whole life. I have many angry sentiments toward the boomers because I also see how shortsighted, blind and ignorant they are...all while expecting and getting mad at their kids for 'not being successful', when none of the conditions arise for success...that gave rise to it in the past. Say, a stable society, homogenous population, Christianity still into the infrastructure (moral order and ethics and decency/ hard work, trust, responsibility and friendship), no multi cultural immigration. But I haven't even started yet; those generations never got hit with the destructive education that we did; NOT LIKE WE DID. My God, it's like we've been raised up by decent parents on one hand only on the other to be bombarded in an endless and saturating campaign at dumbing our instincts, dumbing us down, killing our work ethic - indoctrinating us into socialist ideals, culture, attitudes and trends....while punishing hard work, independence and stigmatizing the "successful achiever". There was no promulgation of homosexuality widespread.... the endless race strifes that define every corner of our culture now.
You could as was said, live in a reasonably healthy society and walk into a reasonable job - wherein there you would meet a boss and people you could get to know, talk to and associate - without PC invading it. You could work hard and expect to stay in one place and have some stability. Now the job market is ever changing. No one values you - you could disappear in a second for 5,000 other candidates lined up at the door.

The biggest thing is that there's no morale. This society has been completely degenerated, and it's affected morale and degraded everything and everyone. There is this wide sense that there's no use doing anything anymore, there's no motivation. Without motivation, without the pillars that hold society up and drive it's members, people won't do anything. It's stagnant, that's how I feel.
What's the point of getting a high paying job? So that I can stay lonely for the rest of my life? Work hard...so that the gov can ass rape me, I'll be even more lonely, and friendless and to impress wives who will leave me or who are all trash? The culture's been degraded, that's so important.

There's just no motivation to move forward, there's very little if nothing to look forward to. Everyone knows that the society is in perpetual endless tumult. It's unstable, why are we going to build a nest or make out a nice and decorated room on a sinking Titanic ship?
That's the feeling.


I don't know what to do about this problem. There's just no motivation and a real demoralization. I don't know a solution.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Eric » March 25th, 2017, 7:46 pm

What's even worse is that this is all planned. They've forced Socialism on us, it's a great system for tyrants who don't care about you regulating things and people from the top down, but it pays absolutely no respect to the reality, the human element of culture, drives, instincts.....feelings and families - the things that make people tick. It's a bunch of broken down, mindless soulless empty and dead people who'll do whatever they're told because they're told it's right. And they don't do what they don't, because they're told it's wrong. Critical thinking is gone. It's like having a bunch of mules whom you don't respect and keep in a pen and kick them to move, feed them gruel and then deprive them the next 24 hours.
That's exactly where we're at. Can't you feel it?
Many people are refusing to work hard, because this society sucks. I'm one of them... until things change I won't. Until I find something good to work hard for, I won't. It's that simple.

This is how you know tyrants are ruling over us. Look at how they treat us. It's like there's no room for the human element in society - it's a Wal Mart. We are handled as slaves and passed along places and lines - told to do things, our rights and respect disregarded.
There's absolutely no consideration for what drives individuals, people and families in a society.


Socialism is a great way to be a DICTATOR, but it's an absolutely soulless, endless prison of a destructed morale society, to live in. It is so depressing, this is why people are not moving forward.


Nothing will be solved until we fix this.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Moretorque » March 25th, 2017, 8:02 pm

A dictatorship of the stupid is what they want, Stephen Molynuex made a point I hope is not true. He said throughout history any place on earth where the IQ drops below 90 you find no semblance of a modern society with modern fixtures like hospitals, churches, modern dwellings of any sort. This would explain why they are dropping the borders and letting 80 IQers in a lot of 3 digit IQ countries so they can send them back into the stone ages....

Definitely social engineering at it's finest coming down the pike.....
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby Eric » March 25th, 2017, 11:16 pm

Misery and happiness are only states of mind.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby MrMan » March 26th, 2017, 9:11 am

Cornfed wrote:Now consider if he were applying to med school today. He simply wouldn’t get in. He went to a not so great rural school and his scores, though high, would not now be able to grant him guaranteed access, especially with all the foreign students now admitted. And with affirmative action, he would have no chance of getting in any other way.


Do you have any statistics to show that only foreign students and local minorities get into medical school programs? I saw a number of MBA students a few years ago, and lots of them were white. Some even had some scholarship funds. It wasn't the best program, though. But they didn't fill their ranks with all blacks and women. There were white men as well.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby MrMan » March 26th, 2017, 9:24 am

Nailer wrote:I see zero incentives for men to pursue "good" careers, other than the means to pay off the debt they incurred while earning their degree. A guy working at the right pizza parlor will have more sexual partners and a better social life than a guy with a "good" career. I'm seriously considering applying at the pizza place down the street just because it will give me social status and a place in the community. I could buy the place if I wanted to, but if I cant get a part-time job making pizzas it will lead to p***y I would never get as a random citizen. :roll:

I know a guy who has an engineering degree who works as a bartender, and has zero interest in being an engineer because it incurs no respect in today's society. I doubt he has thought it through as much, but he knows a good career means celibacy.


So, for you is the primary objective in life is to rack up the highest number of sexual partners? As you get older, your testosterone decreases, and when you are an old men, what good will memories of past sexual partners do you? Your old sex partners probably aren't going to take care of you when you are old.

There still are women out there looking for husbands, and it helps to have a stable career. Engineering can be a decent, stable career. Starting salaries are good.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby MrMan » March 26th, 2017, 9:37 am

There are plenty of opportunities for white American men from rural areas. The government has made it so that you never have to pay off your student loans. At least that's the way it is now. So a young white man could go to college without having to pay for it? How? He just has to have no disposable income. He can do that by working abroad and having zero adjusted gross income. That leaves no disposable income, and he doesn't have to make payments on the loan. If he doesn't renew his status every year or later has disposable income, interest from previous payments are capitalized, though, which is the risk. After 20 or 25 years, the government pays the loan and he has to pay taxes on the forgiven debt.

I'm not saying that this is the best choice for the nation, or commenting on the ethics, but this is how it works the way I understand it.

If you already have a degree, you could go to grad school to prepare for a high-paying job. You could choose a field few want to study. You could get a PhD in a mathematics field or accounting. An accounting professor from a middle-level program told me that their PhD program had five jobs waiting for them. There are so few accounting PhDs on the market. I don't know if they have to have CPA credentials before going into accounting. Probably not. Just about any social science, business, or engineering PhD requires learning quite a bit of Statistics these days, at least in the US.

For a lot of PhD programs, you can get a fellowship where you work 20 hours a week, in addition to the 50 hours or so you put into study, for four years without paying tuition. If you still need some time left on your dissertation, just take one credit hour. Take half-time credit hours and you don't have to pay your student loans back. Some schools may count one credit hour if you have proposed your dissertation as full time.

You can go directly from having a bachelors degree to a PhD in some programs. Academic jobs in the humanities may not pay that well unless you go to a top school, which probably won't happen unless you graduate from a top program. But there are plenty of fields that do pay well. I get the impression that engineering pays well. Business pays well. A good rule of thumb is that if the industry pays well for non-academics, then academics in that field have to be compensated well or else they will work in industry.

Business PhDs, including Accounting PhD programs, might require either a bachelors degree in business or a related field or a Masters. MBAs are a cash cow for a lot of schools, so don't expect a free ride if you have a history or English degree and want to get an MBA before going into an accounting PhD program or something like that.

You couldn't just jump into an Engineering program if you took the lightest math courses and got a bachelors in Spanish or history education either.

Geeing more formal education is one way to get to a higher paying career. But it certainly takes time, and it is not the only way.
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Re: What are young men supposed to do?

Postby fschmidt » March 26th, 2017, 9:42 am

While I agree with Cornfed that there is a scarcity of good jobs for decent men, I would also add that there is a scarcity of good men for decent jobs. In other words, everything in modern culture is rotten.

To make this concrete, here is the result of me advertising for a programmer:

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=30735
https://www.reddit.com/r/Truecels/comments/4i3bx1/programmer_wanted/
https://www.reddit.com/r/lua/comments/4ir1h7/programmer_wanted/

I was met mostly with indifference or ridicule. May the modern working class starve to death.
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