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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby Eric » April 23rd, 2017, 6:45 am

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Eric wrote:Join Islam, my friend. It is not like this I promise you. .... I was thinking about it. Trying to get out of here now, arranging organizing a job with NGO's overseas as I am speaking with you. I understand you completely.


Why would you post such a thing, especially if he is considering the Mennonites? Don't you consider it unethical to encourage someone to go in a direction away from eternal salvation.

The only assurance of salvation guaranteed within the Islamic religion is that jadahists are told if they die warring in favor of Islam, that they will go directly to paradise. The rest of the Muslims believe they are going to hell, if only temporarily. There are groups that will offer you a chance to 'jihad' by blowing up a building or an airplane. These may be radical, non-mainstream Muslims. Notice that none of the Islamicist terrorist are non-Muslims. They are always a part of that religion. Why encourage anyone to join.

Fschmidt, have you ever considered Messianic Judaism? Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.



You've been reading too much propaganda, friend. I'll answer your question, though. ...I've lived in the middle east before - for 4 years. I've been to Abu Dhabi also. I've known a lot of Muslims personally, and still do - do you?
Or do you just watch the news and fearmonger with Christian friends?
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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby Kradmelder » April 23rd, 2017, 6:57 am

fschmidt wrote:Is fake smiles and people asking "how are you" without having the slightest interest in the answer civil behavior? If you think it is, America is for you. But for me, civil behavior means actually acting in a considerate manner where "considerate" is based on the word "consider" and means to consider what is really right for other people. To give a concrete example, I recently had the misfortune of having to leave my house and fly somewhere. My connecting flight was 2 hours late, something common now in America but virtually unheard of in the past. So I asked the person at the gate why the flight was late, and of course he didn't know and didn't care, but he was polite with the usual American smile. On the plane, there is endless fake banter from the pilot on the sound system which I block out with a white noise generating app on my phone. In the airport, every few minutes are various warnings about how to keep safe from nonexistent threats. To get to planes, one has pass TSA (Transportation Security Administration) security with its long lines that are a result of them not really giving a f**k about passengers.

Flying is my primary exposure to Americans these days since I avoid them like the plague. And it is a miserable experience, only made tolerable by my white noise generating app which blocks out the meaningless babble of Americans, but doesn't block out their fake smiles. I would much prefer a society where no one talks to me instead of the fake talk of Americans.


Yes the american style hi how ya doin thing from the service industry and wanting to use your christian name like a pal is very irritating. It is fake. Why would you say sir then use a christian name. Blacks and afrikaans people do it but formal like in Oom Jan or Mr Jan. But it is a respectful form of address. Not like a teller saying hi jan how ya doin.

Our service industry is more formal and just a good morning type thing without the fake smile. But people on the street not selling you anything are more civil.

That kind of greeting is only in america.
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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby Kradmelder » April 23rd, 2017, 7:05 am

onethousandknives wrote:The isolation is more that actually making a real connection with people is tough. I would say on the whole USA is mostly pretty civil and friendly. But then there's lots and lots of random completely anti-social acts done for no good reason, as you can see in shows like Jackass, Viva La Bam, etc, then more anti-socialness from rap music, etc. The US is very different in that in other countries, the anti-social behavior seems to come from indifference (as in, leaving children to die on the street after getting hit by cars...) whereas in USA, a lot comes from malice. Authorities in other countries, the problem is mostly indifference, in USA, it's mostly malice. Both lead to different societal problems.

But "HEY HOW ARE YOU DOING, CUSTOMER I NEVER MET BEFORE, YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND EVER!!" doesn't help you when you come home alone, have no friends to call on the phone, no friends to call to do anything, no place to go to actively meet people, nothing besides drinking and drugs to do in your town spontaneously to meet people. The bigger fact is, it's hard to make friends by just being open with people. Actual friends you can do things with, talk to whenever, etc. Not a lot of people really want to open up their lives and allow others in. Of course, not everyone, but a really high percentage of people. And I feel really guilty, as this American behavior of closing myself off has started rubbing off onto me, when I used to be a very open person. Everyone just wants their own little bubble, and is paranoid of the motives of anyone who wants to befriend them.

Anyway, for the most part people greet me, well, almost exactly how you are greeted in SA. It's fine.


That is a good point. If you are not islated, have a normal circle of friends and family, are in real contact with people the hi how ya doin from sales staff is like water off a duck's back. You wont even register. But if you are lonely and isolated it will sting.

Like strangers in my area greeting me is normal. The whole area is on a whatsapp group and radio anyway for security reasons. Almost no one rebuffs civil contact as people say they do in america.
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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby onethousandknives » April 23rd, 2017, 7:10 am

Eric wrote:
MrMan wrote:
Eric wrote:Join Islam, my friend. It is not like this I promise you. .... I was thinking about it. Trying to get out of here now, arranging organizing a job with NGO's overseas as I am speaking with you. I understand you completely.


Why would you post such a thing, especially if he is considering the Mennonites? Don't you consider it unethical to encourage someone to go in a direction away from eternal salvation.

The only assurance of salvation guaranteed within the Islamic religion is that jadahists are told if they die warring in favor of Islam, that they will go directly to paradise. The rest of the Muslims believe they are going to hell, if only temporarily. There are groups that will offer you a chance to 'jihad' by blowing up a building or an airplane. These may be radical, non-mainstream Muslims. Notice that none of the Islamicist terrorist are non-Muslims. They are always a part of that religion. Why encourage anyone to join.

Fschmidt, have you ever considered Messianic Judaism? Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.



You've been reading too much propaganda, friend. I'll answer your question, though. ...I've lived in the middle east before - for 4 years. I've been to Abu Dhabi also. I've known a lot of Muslims personally, and still do - do you?
Or do you just watch the news and fearmonger with Christian friends?


Muslims for the most part are pretty cool, and in general I find Muslims to be more hospitable and kind people than most "Christians" in USA. However, one time strangely I swear I was charged a jizya tax by a convenience store clerk who more or less doubled the price of all my items at the register. But other than that I find Muslims to be really kind, generous, and hospitable people here in USA.

The religion itself, is false. It did do a tiny bit of positive good in the region by at least stopping child abandonment and human sacrifices when it started, but unlike Christianity, it was started in warfare, and propagated itself almost entirely by warfare. Christianity at least managed about 300-400 years without any wars in the name of it. And Muslims do in fact have to totally, utterly, completely lie about their religion to save face or try to convince others to come to it. Even the definition of Islam, which means submission, Muslims will say it means peace. Nope. The best thing I've seen heard of here is a local college Islamic club having the Haggia Sophia on it, with "Islam, the religion of peace" on it. The Haggia Sophia was a Christian church that the Muslims took over and killed every worshiper in the church.
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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby onethousandknives » April 23rd, 2017, 7:26 am

Kradmelder wrote:
onethousandknives wrote:The isolation is more that actually making a real connection with people is tough. I would say on the whole USA is mostly pretty civil and friendly. But then there's lots and lots of random completely anti-social acts done for no good reason, as you can see in shows like Jackass, Viva La Bam, etc, then more anti-socialness from rap music, etc. The US is very different in that in other countries, the anti-social behavior seems to come from indifference (as in, leaving children to die on the street after getting hit by cars...) whereas in USA, a lot comes from malice. Authorities in other countries, the problem is mostly indifference, in USA, it's mostly malice. Both lead to different societal problems.

But "HEY HOW ARE YOU DOING, CUSTOMER I NEVER MET BEFORE, YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND EVER!!" doesn't help you when you come home alone, have no friends to call on the phone, no friends to call to do anything, no place to go to actively meet people, nothing besides drinking and drugs to do in your town spontaneously to meet people. The bigger fact is, it's hard to make friends by just being open with people. Actual friends you can do things with, talk to whenever, etc. Not a lot of people really want to open up their lives and allow others in. Of course, not everyone, but a really high percentage of people. And I feel really guilty, as this American behavior of closing myself off has started rubbing off onto me, when I used to be a very open person. Everyone just wants their own little bubble, and is paranoid of the motives of anyone who wants to befriend them.

Anyway, for the most part people greet me, well, almost exactly how you are greeted in SA. It's fine.


That is a good point. If you are not islated, have a normal circle of friends and family, are in real contact with people the hi how ya doin from sales staff is like water off a duck's back. You wont even register. But if you are lonely and isolated it will sting.

Like strangers in my area greeting me is normal. The whole area is on a whatsapp group and radio anyway for security reasons. Almost no one rebuffs civil contact as people say they do in america.


Even with family in US, it's quite distant. I and my sisters are estranged from the entirety of my father's side of the family due my parents divorcing. This type of thing happens a lot. Then think of the kids who don't have fathers, but have baby daddys, etc, here, it's not a good situation. Even amongst non-Hispanic white people now the illegitimacy rate is approaching 30% in USA.
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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby Kradmelder » April 23rd, 2017, 7:42 am

onethousandknives wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:
onethousandknives wrote:The isolation is more that actually making a real connection with people is tough. I would say on the whole USA is mostly pretty civil and friendly. But then there's lots and lots of random completely anti-social acts done for no good reason, as you can see in shows like Jackass, Viva La Bam, etc, then more anti-socialness from rap music, etc. The US is very different in that in other countries, the anti-social behavior seems to come from indifference (as in, leaving children to die on the street after getting hit by cars...) whereas in USA, a lot comes from malice. Authorities in other countries, the problem is mostly indifference, in USA, it's mostly malice. Both lead to different societal problems.

But "HEY HOW ARE YOU DOING, CUSTOMER I NEVER MET BEFORE, YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND EVER!!" doesn't help you when you come home alone, have no friends to call on the phone, no friends to call to do anything, no place to go to actively meet people, nothing besides drinking and drugs to do in your town spontaneously to meet people. The bigger fact is, it's hard to make friends by just being open with people. Actual friends you can do things with, talk to whenever, etc. Not a lot of people really want to open up their lives and allow others in. Of course, not everyone, but a really high percentage of people. And I feel really guilty, as this American behavior of closing myself off has started rubbing off onto me, when I used to be a very open person. Everyone just wants their own little bubble, and is paranoid of the motives of anyone who wants to befriend them.

Anyway, for the most part people greet me, well, almost exactly how you are greeted in SA. It's fine.


That is a good point. If you are not islated, have a normal circle of friends and family, are in real contact with people the hi how ya doin from sales staff is like water off a duck's back. You wont even register. But if you are lonely and isolated it will sting.

Like strangers in my area greeting me is normal. The whole area is on a whatsapp group and radio anyway for security reasons. Almost no one rebuffs civil contact as people say they do in america.


Even with family in US, it's quite distant. I and my sisters are estranged from the entirety of my father's side of the family due my parents divorcing. This type of thing happens a lot. Then think of the kids who don't have fathers, but have baby daddys, etc, here, it's not a good situation. Even amongst non-Hispanic white people now the illegitimacy rate is approaching 30% in USA.


This kind of living is not natural. Even if illegitimate, do fathers not feel some attachment to their offspring? No sense of guilt for abandoning their children to a handicapped future?

Do people feel nothing for their neighbours? I know all mine, even the jew. Even the jew has my phone number for emergencies. It has always been around to help your neighbours since biblical times.

Even in old days our ancestors felt attachment to a tribe and blood clan. It was always the white way. You were never brothers with all. Like the nobles didnt mix and socialise with serfs. There was always class. But when the group is threatened they close ranks and have a common unity.

Why would american society willingly cast off all human ties with those closest to you by blood, neighbours, volk, race etc. Without this, all sense of loyalty and sense of place is gone to be replaced with isolation, bitterness, confusion and emptiness.
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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby onethousandknives » April 23rd, 2017, 8:54 am

Kradmelder wrote:
This kind of living is not natural. Even if illegitimate, do fathers not feel some attachment to their offspring? No sense of guilt for abandoning their children to a handicapped future?

Do people feel nothing for their neighbours? I know all mine, even the jew. Even the jew has my phone number for emergencies. It has always been around to help your neighbours since biblical times.

Even in old days our ancestors felt attachment to a tribe and blood clan. It was always the white way. You were never brothers with all. Like the nobles didnt mix and socialise with serfs. There was always class. But when the group is threatened they close ranks and have a common unity.

Why would american society willingly cast off all human ties with those closest to you by blood, neighbours, volk, race etc. Without this, all sense of loyalty and sense of place is gone to be replaced with isolation, bitterness, confusion and emptiness.


My neighborhood is a mixed neighborhood, a maybe 50% black, 30% white, and 20% hispanic neighborhood, or thereabouts. My neighbors on one side are a group of college aged white guys my age, and we did get introduced, etc, but after the initial friendly introduction, it sort of fell flat for socializing. On my left is a half black guy, who seems continually stressed out and pissed, but silently so, and we've never had a conversation with each other that was more than a paragraph long. But one time he lent me his jump box to jump my car and I left it at his front door to return it.

Anyway, for the most part, the general attitude of white folks is "do whatever, just stay out of my way and my business." My neighborhood, I've had good and bad come from the black folks. The black folks are more open, and generally more friendly than the white people here. But I had a 10 year old black kid trying to steal from my car. A black teenager stole my bike. He was going to steal my drill but a half black kid I know pretty well convinced him to give it back. He stole a van and got locked up for a week or two for it. But at the same time, a good portion of my black neighbors at least wave and say hello and are civil to me. One lent me a pair of vise grips when he saw I needed them, when my white neighbor across the street with a garage full of tools never lent me anything, and doesn't even wave at us, even though we talked at length before when inquiring about his RV he was selling. If I wanted to, I probably could go to almost any black barbecue in the neighborhood and have some beer and chicken, as they all grill and party on the front lawn or sometimes in the street. Whites on the other hand keep to themselves in their fenced in back porch.

So to me this talk of white brotherhood and white bond is pretty strange sounding stuff, as it's been more or less the opposite of my experience my whole life. Though at the same time, I certainly don't feel all too at home in black American culture, and as a young teen I had experiences of riding my bike through the hood and having black gang members cuss at me asking what I was doing in "their" neighborhood, black kids taunting me with "Play that funky music white boy" etc. Pretty mixed can of worms. But still, no white brotherhood, etc. Just hyper-individualism and isolation of the self in the name of giving everyone space and independence.

https://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046

Obviously, the extent of this social disconnection varies across regions of USA, as well. My particular state, if you search for ______ sucks, you'll find a ton of complaints actually vaguely similar to how people describe USA as a whole on HA, actually, it being hard to make friends, etc. Then people will say that before when they lived in another state they had more friends, or now that they moved, etc.

With family, it depends on the individual family. But for the most part, it's "I'll stay I promise" and then the parents break up 1-2 years later, kid has no father, father is stuck possibly making child support payments, mother dates a shit ton of guys, child never bonds to anyone as father. Of course as happened in my family, just a divorce can wreck familial relations, and generally does, and there's a 50% divorce rate.

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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby Kradmelder » April 23rd, 2017, 9:14 am

White brotherhood as white nationalists make it out is rubbish. It doesn't exist. It only happens if the race is threatened as a whole. No matter what they say, there is no force killing all white people so their is no closing of ranks and no need to.

What threatens whites is non white immigration, jewish isms bad for society, the fall of white the regimes, whites not having kids, divorcing and race mixing. None of it was forced on whites. Whites do it to themselves. Whites chose to end apartheid. Whites let in non whites. Whites choose to divorce and not have kids. Such whites are not my brothers.

SA society is different as we are under threat of murder and robbery. It is not a choice. So whites band together, even whites i normally wouldnt mix with. Even my jew neighbour or an indian. Again this is not wn brotherhood nonsense but plain survival. The fact is the criminals are black. Blacks are a real threat with a gun. Not some abstract ZOG generating false ideas that i can choose or not choose to follow.

If the blacks in your area started to band together to kill all whites, you and your white neighbours would quickly close ranks and share a common bond. Not like wn make it out, but the fact that no matter what your beliefs or social status, your race binds you together for survival. It will not matter if you are liberal or racist, catholic or protestant, anglo or whatever. Your white skin would make you a target so you are united. The liberals get killed first as they are reluctant to bond by race and defend themselves so are soft targets. It is what happened here. Liberals got killed or emigrated. Racists are a harder nut to crack as they more easily associate by race for mutual protection.

So even if the nation is only 8% white, my area is well over 95% white and whites are civil to each other and help each other even if strangers.
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Re: Isolation and lack of civil behaviour in society

Postby Eric » April 23rd, 2017, 3:28 pm

onethousandknives wrote:
Eric wrote:
MrMan wrote:
Eric wrote:Join Islam, my friend. It is not like this I promise you. .... I was thinking about it. Trying to get out of here now, arranging organizing a job with NGO's overseas as I am speaking with you. I understand you completely.


Why would you post such a thing, especially if he is considering the Mennonites? Don't you consider it unethical to encourage someone to go in a direction away from eternal salvation.

The only assurance of salvation guaranteed within the Islamic religion is that jadahists are told if they die warring in favor of Islam, that they will go directly to paradise. The rest of the Muslims believe they are going to hell, if only temporarily. There are groups that will offer you a chance to 'jihad' by blowing up a building or an airplane. These may be radical, non-mainstream Muslims. Notice that none of the Islamicist terrorist are non-Muslims. They are always a part of that religion. Why encourage anyone to join.

Fschmidt, have you ever considered Messianic Judaism? Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.



You've been reading too much propaganda, friend. I'll answer your question, though. ...I've lived in the middle east before - for 4 years. I've been to Abu Dhabi also. I've known a lot of Muslims personally, and still do - do you?
Or do you just watch the news and fearmonger with Christian friends?


Muslims for the most part are pretty cool, and in general I find Muslims to be more hospitable and kind people than most "Christians" in USA. However, one time strangely I swear I was charged a jizya tax by a convenience store clerk who more or less doubled the price of all my items at the register. But other than that I find Muslims to be really kind, generous, and hospitable people here in USA.

The religion itself, is false. It did do a tiny bit of positive good in the region by at least stopping child abandonment and human sacrifices when it started, but unlike Christianity, it was started in warfare, and propagated itself almost entirely by warfare. Christianity at least managed about 300-400 years without any wars in the name of it. And Muslims do in fact have to totally, utterly, completely lie about their religion to save face or try to convince others to come to it. Even the definition of Islam, which means submission, Muslims will say it means peace. Nope. The best thing I've seen heard of here is a local college Islamic club having the Haggia Sophia on it, with "Islam, the religion of peace" on it. The Haggia Sophia was a Christian church that the Muslims took over and killed every worshiper in the church.


Once again, more bullshit. I'm sorry but I'm going to keep correcting bullshit when and wherever I see it. The religion itself, in my eyes, for all I can see is very good. It is based on honesty, humility and generousness - which imbibe all of Muslim culture (once again not what you get on the Khazarian- controlled news networks). They are generous and warm, hospitable people. The Haggia Sophia is in Istanbul, I've been there before - twice. That was during a time of war. Do you want to recount the atrocities Christians did towards Muslims during wartimes? I can assure you they are vastly lopsided in scope, size and brutality.
Submission means submission to God, not to man...as you'd try and have everyone believe on this forum. Don't twist facts to paint a context. Submission to God is a humble and a good thing....more Christians should submit to God than their own self-righteous pulpits and egos.

A Turkish friend explained to me 'holy war' meant a war inside of the person, it's a jihad meant to be waged inside of a person for right, for "good"- its not meant for outside, that's not the actual, literal translation of it. Please, be informed. Islam was a peaceful religion initially, they were attacked and attacked by roving bands of other tribes and polytheists for bucking the "social order" of pantheons of gods etc., they were peaceful and did their own thing.
They only attacked once after it was realized they had to after numerous attacks .....they would not survive.

Please do your research into such matters before you post such nonsense on a board in public. It amazes me that Americans can still be so incredibly biased and uninformed.
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