The #MeToo Scourge is Taking Over the World -- Any Thoughts?

[Someone]

I'm sure everyone is aware of the new #MeToo movement which seems to have taken over the world, America especially but now it's spreading to other countries too.

Briefly, women have suddenly upended the traditional mating game of courtship and flirting, and have decided to purge the world of sex. I'm really scared that we're descending into a sterile anti-sex world. This could be a global trend where men won't be allowed to initiate sexual opportunities with women anymore. It's not just the sudden bizarre accusations of sexual harassment, where men will be blocked from meeting women (which is especially tough for single men); it's also some other ominous signs, too. In recent years, police in the US have completely eradicated prostitution and MPs (massage parlors) which used to exist before 2010. Articles have started appearing in the press about how women shouldn't be attractive or dress sexy anymore: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/opin ... email.html . Mainstream media columnists have started proposing banning porn: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opin ... -porn.html . The lives of normal men, such as Charlie Rose or Al Franken, not to mention Aziz Ansari, have been ruined by anti-sexual degenerate women who hate men for trying to kiss them or flirt with them.

The overall trend seems to be to the sterilization of all sexual activity. I'm not sure if we're entering Neo-Victorian times. My thoughts on the matter are:

- The sex ratio has climbed to high levels i.e. a surplus of men. Historically, high-sex-ratio environments are characterized by conservative Victorian culture such as in the 1800s. Are we entering that area again, where women were few in number and access to them strictly controlled?
- The birth rate will drop precipitously as a result of decreasing sexual activity. Maybe some kind of natural process is in effect to lower the birth rate. If you thought the birth rate was going down in recent years, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Something is causing women to hate and destroy men out of the blue, where previously they were willing participants in the mating game. The only conclusion is that the mating game is changing in radical ways, and this change is to the detriment of us men, unfortunately.

I haven't been able to find a community that discusses this issue in depth. What are the wider implications? Why is this shift happening all of a sudden? It's as if women are actively trying to sabotage sex.

[Teh Amasin Spoderman]

#MeToo may be spreading worldwide, but I doubt it will be a huge influence on other countries.

America, Canada, Britain, Australia, any first world white majority nation will feel the full force of it, like Feminism. Russia, Thailand, Cambodia, ect. , it may spread there but I doubt it'll cause a stain.

[Someone]

Actually, even a country like Brazil is now in the grip of #MeToo: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/worl ... e-too.html .

Pretty soon the Brazilian Carnival will be banned, or otherwise purged of all sexuality, on the grounds of being sexist. If you read people's comments on sites like NYTimes or Washington Post, they are actively and seriously talking about shutting down all strip clubs, ending beauty pageants, banning porn, encouraging women to be ugly, and so on. I'm scared as hell.

Just consider this: In 2007, the most searched-for image for the term "woman" was a beautiful woman with sex appeal, but in 2017 it's now something completely asexual and ugly (look at how it evolved year by year):
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/upsh ... hotos.html

There's some sort of anti-sex revolution going on, and we men are the losers. It seems to be global in nature and shows no signs of ending anytime soon. The aim seems to be to strip women of all sex appeal, to impede or thwart men trying to meet women, and to severely limit men's choices or outlets.

[flowerthief00]

We've created a world where women don't need men any more. Yet men are still sexually attracted to women and prone to pursue women. So that's a problem, you see. Men need to be put in their place as the thankless work horses who do all the hard labor and pay most of the taxes without compensation of any kind.

[Someone]

Soon, hugging will disappear from our culture as a result of #MeToo:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... 5b6108b010

[chanta76]

Me to movement just like the black lives movement is more about selfish entitlement poltical movement than actually genuine challenge to social injustice.

The dark side to this as others mention is that women don't need men. It's like they want to create a world where men are gone. It's more about revenge for past wrongs then actually challenges to social injustice.

Men still find women attractive but the me to movements makes its so that even if you look at a girl it can be sexual harassment.

But yet even unattractive land whales can still be chooser in men.

[AkitaMan]

They're not trying to purge the world of sex, but are seizing this opportunity to accomplish two things:

1) to back men into a situation in which sex is automatically violence unless it's about her agenda

2) to create a culture that will destroy and banish a man on female demand

On both counts, a female accusation is to be above question.

[yick]

Me to movement just like the black lives movement is more about selfish entitlement poltical movement than actually genuine challenge to social injustice.

The dark side to this as others mention is that women don't need men. It's like they want to create a world where men are gone. It's more about revenge for past wrongs then actually challenges to social injustice.

Men still find women attractive but the me to movements makes its so that even if you look at a girl it can be sexual harassment.

But yet even unattractive land whales can still be chooser in men.

If it wasn't for black people, Chanta - you wouldn't be in America - Asian-Americans have benefited the most from the Civil Rights Movement whilst contributing the least.

Korean-Americans should be on their hands and knees thanking the battles black people fought so you could be at the table.

Zboy at least acknowledges this fact.

[yick]

Harvey Weinstein was/is a nasty sexual predator but the reason he is being brought to book is because his power in the industry is waning.

I have experience recently of a predatory man in a position of power who seems to be getting away with coercing women into sex with him, the woman who told me about him won't go to the police because she knows her position in the industry she is in will be terminated, she wants justice - but of no risk to her career.

The reason most of these women kept silent was because Weinstein ruined careers - therefore - sexual predators continue to get away with their behaviour because many women are compliant and keep their mouth shut because of selfishness and the unwillingness to expose their precious careers.

[chanta76]

yick ,



I think the BLM is far from being a civil rights movement . I see the blm kind of the way meto movement is. Meto movement is consider part of 3 wave or even maybe next generation of feminism.
In other words when you had 1 and 2 wave feminism it kind of made sense but nowadays it doesn't make sense.


Speaking about civil rights movement . There were Asians involved in the civil rights movement . Granted blacks were the bulwark of the movement. Some would argue that the jews actually played behind the scene. Am I grateful to the movement. Yes. I think it's bit unfair to say Asians didn't contribute to the movement. I think with Asians they assimilate quickly . I mean just look at all these Asian mostly Asian women who marry out.
https://www.thoughtco.com/asian-america ... ry-2834596

Would I get on my knees? No .
Am I grateful yes but I tell my folks I think it was mistake immigrating to USA. I still experience racism from BOTH white and BLACK folks. Maybe if USA still had segregation and miscegenation laws maybe just maybe there wouldn't be loads of Asian girls selling out.I'm married but I got my wife overseas!


Right now I'm trying to figure out how to get back to Asia. Why am I still here? Because I support my parents financial. They don't want to move. I think with them it's ego or they are set in their ways. I support both my parents and my family. So it's waiting game for me.

If you been to Asian you know how tight knit the family or controlling it can be. At the same time Koreans don't immigrate to America like they used to. As economy grows or comfort there is no need to. If anything I see sub culture of people who want to expatriate.

I really think if there was super power African country..you would have some black folks heading back. I genuine think diversity does not work. Just like I think feminism is also destructive.

[Someone]

Folks -- let's get back on topic please.

Just think about the consequences of this new plague. Let's say you're a single man in his 30s or 40s. As a mature bachelor, you no longer have social circles that you did in your early 20s, so you can't rely on friends to meet women. A legitimate place to meet women, until recently, has been work -- and I personally know some couples who met at work. But now with #MeToo, you won't be able to meet women this way. The workplace will become taboo. If you smile at a co-worker you'll be accused of sexual misconduct. All of a sudden, isolated 30+ bachelors will become even more isolated, losing pretty much the only social opportunity to meet people. Online dating doesn't work and is a sausage fest.

Or, let's say society becomes full of ugly or badly dressed women, which is what columnists like this want to happen: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/opin ... women.html. This lady wants women to stop wearing hot pants, and wear ugly sweatpants instead. This is an example of how women are encouraged to look ugly to minimize 'objectification.' If this indeed happens on a large scale, we men are on the receiving end of a female population which is undesirable -- and there's nothing we can do about it. Our options (already miserable in this country with its abnormally high sex ratio) are squeezed even further, because no one wants to date ugly women who don't groom themselves.

All these trends are cause for concern. Things are already pretty bad (which is why this forum exists), but now it can get even worse.

[Cornfed]

This is an example of how women are encouraged to look ugly to minimize 'objectification.' If this indeed happens on a large scale, we men are on the receiving end of a female population which is undesirable -- and there's nothing we can do about it.

If women are forced to dress modestly and curb their own aggressive sexual harassment of men, this would be a good thing.

[MattHanson1990]

Folks -- let's get back on topic please.

Just think about the consequences of this new plague. Let's say you're a single man in his 30s or 40s. As a mature bachelor, you no longer have social circles that you did in your early 20s, so you can't rely on friends to meet women. A legitimate place to meet women, until recently, has been work -- and I personally know some couples who met at work. But now with #MeToo, you won't be able to meet women this way. The workplace will become taboo. If you smile at a co-worker you'll be accused of sexual misconduct. All of a sudden, isolated 30+ bachelors will become even more isolated, losing pretty much the only social opportunity to meet people. Online dating doesn't work and is a sausage fest.

Or, let's say society becomes full of ugly or badly dressed women, which is what columnists like this want to happen: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/opin ... women.html. This lady wants women to stop wearing hot pants, and wear ugly sweatpants instead. This is an example of how women are encouraged to look ugly to minimize 'objectification.' If this indeed happens on a large scale, we men are on the receiving end of a female population which is undesirable -- and there's nothing we can do about it. Our options (already miserable in this country with its abnormally high sex ratio) are squeezed even further, because no one wants to date ugly women that don't groom themselves.

All these trends are a cause for concern. Things are already pretty bad (which is why this forum exists), but now it can get even worse.

I thought dating your coworkers has been taboo in the U.S. for awhile, even before #MeToo.

[AkitaMan]

Or, let's say society becomes full of ugly or badly dressed women, which is what columnists like this want to happen: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/opin ... women.html. This lady wants women to stop wearing hot pants, and wear ugly sweatpants instead. This is an example of how women are encouraged to look ugly to minimize 'objectification.' If this indeed happens on a large scale, we men are on the receiving end of a female population which is undesirable

The author of that article didn't say much about objectification. Her main stated point is that the yoga-pants variety of women's active wear isn't really about stuff like ventilation or mobility, but about looking sexy (hardly a revelation). She seems to see it as yet more cosmetic pressure on women. But at the end of the article, she slipped in quick mention of the point that's surely most compelling to many women: women over 30, or just women in general, not wanting to wear pants that are so unforgiving of imperfections.

I've always been turned off by heavy cosmetics, high-maintenance hairdos, and overly revealing clothing. I prefer women who go about it with a light hand to simply accentuate her natural attributes. So I'd actually prefer to see women working out in sweats. If she's cute or hot, she'll easily look cute or hot in well chosen, reasonably priced, non-fussy sweats.

[AkitaMan]

I thought dating your coworkers has been taboo in the U.S. for awhile, even before #MeToo.

Workplace relationships are against many workplace policies and are considered risky. But I think most people, which probably includes many of the policy-makers, understand that to mean that you need to do it carefully. Pair-bonding is too high of a priority and way too celebrated for a prohibition on workplace relationships to be absolute.