“W: Not to you specifically since I don't know your views. I was talking about most guys I've met in person here.�
I thought you were is because in the Love Dating Relationship thread, you responded me and in the same post directed to me you asked “Why do most Guys only see money, power, and economics?�
“How come they have more free time than those silicon valley drones who are making a lot of money yet have no free time?�
It can be difficult to find the right balance at any particular time. If one invests money toward retirement and is not tied down to a family he wouldn’t have to work himself in a grave. If they invest a big percentage toward retirement where they got a few hundred thousand dollars, then they could move to a place like The Philippines or Thailand just living off the interest. I do hear where you coming from in that most of these guys probably never heard about Foreign Women and will mostly be stuck with ungrateful American Woman past their prime who at any given moment will take those Silicon Valley drones to the cleaners. I would agree with you, this would be a depressing life.
Are you claiming that money creates attraction?
Yes, I’m claiming this to a degree. The reason I’m claiming this is from what I have read Foreign believe American Men are very wealthy (Whether they are or not) and therefore will most likely be attracted to him.
What about all those studies that show that the rich are not happier than everyone else?
I haven’t read any studies on happiness but here is my opinion. I agree money alone will not buy happiness but in my view it is an element.
For instance I much rather be a poor bum than have lots of money while being married to a ball busting American Bitch bossing me around and giving me orders.
At the same time I know if I were to have money in the reserves I would feel more secure, I could also travel, and indulge in many hobbies.
So I will sum by putting it this way I much rather be poor and have lots freedom, as opposed to be rich but being a slave. At the same time I much rather have both wealth and freedom at the same time.
Also, spiritual gurus say that the best memories you have in life are not those that involve money. Do you find that to be true?
I stay far away from spiritual gurus, I’m personally agnostic. To make a long story short I had Christiananity shoved down my throat up until the age of 17. The only reason I got out of going to church was I heard rumors about the pastors being involved in fraudulent money schemes. Once, I found that out and told my parents they went out and took walk and when they came back they said God told them “I don’t have to go to church anymore�. Since it was heavily forced on me as child to the point where I didn’t feel like a human been and one time I was nearly driven to suicide at the age of 13, I would never get involved with anything spiritual. I am the worst person to ask something about spirituality. I hate going to church the only times I have been to church since I was 17 is when my older sisters got married.
Also, James Grey didn't answer my questions and examples in bold above. Can you answer them? If not, doesn't that say that you guys are hiding something and refuse to admit that you're wrong in certain areas and that money isn't the top factor in everything?
I believe money is the big driving force but it isn’t everything. I will give you my opinion to your questions directed to him as well since you have asked.
W: If you can prove how money was the biggest factor in my human relationships, then I'll admit you're right. But I bet you can't. Prove how and why money was the biggest factor in Dianne's attraction to me, for example. She had many rich guys to choose from, among foreigners and Filipinos, any time she wanted. But she chose a poor guy like me, cause she felt right about me and had feelings for me. EXPLAIN THAT!
Money isn’t everything for all girls. For most of them it does play a role. After Diane had the kid she did become very materialistic and demanding.
And how come rich guys get rejected by women who don't like their personality? Explain that one! I personally know guys who are richer than me, but the girls like me more than them, cause I have a more likable personality and charm and humor.
Some women will do this. The vast majority in my opinion will pick someone who is financially secure. I’m not talking about a rich millionaire but someone who does have modest wealth/income.
Sorry, but that example alone proves you wrong.
There are countless such stories.
There are countless examples which go both ways it’s a matter of opinion of which way is the majority.
How about stories where people quit a high paying job for a lower paying job that brings more satisfaction? Obviously, money wasn't the factor there.
There is a big flaw to this statement. This is this person already has already a few hundred thousand dollars stashed in retirement and doesn’t need to continue making big money so the person then took a lower paying job once he was financially secure.
And did you see that Near Death Experience video I posted in the religion/spirituality section, where this business tycoon quit his profession to become a teacher, after having had a Near Death Experience? He now makes very little money, just enough to survive, whereas before he was making a ton of money, all because he decided to follow his calling after the NDE. Explain how money was the chief deciding factor in that!
There are exceptions to every rule this is just one individual. The vast majority of business tycoons would not quit their profession to become a teacher.
One final question to you. Suppose there were two guys, one was a lot richer than the other, but the poorer guy had some qualities that the rich guy didn't have, such as a pleasant personality, humor, and charm. Now, would you say that 100 percent of all available women would choose the richer guy everytime? If not, and I hope you admit that, then why not? If money were the BIGGEST factor in everything in existence, then WHY wouldn't 100 percent of all women choose the richer guy everytime???????? Think about it.
It may not be 100%, but if it’s say 75-80% it would still make a vast majority where I believe the vast majority would pick someone who is financially stable (Not Super Rich) over someone who wasn’t.
W: THen how come no one saw the recession of 2001 coming? And how come economic models are not 100 percent accurate?
Realistically 9/11 happened that particular year. A catastrophic event like that could never be predicted while the other examples I made are very predictable.
W: That may be true, but why are these guys unable to see other factors that matter?
There are other factors but getting financially I believe is the most important one and then the other factors would fall into place.
W: What? I'm not talking about the psychology of money, or money's role in psychology. Again, you are trying to tie it all in with money. I'm talking about psychology in general. Have you ever read anything about psychology? Open up any of the writings of Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Abraham Maslow, BF Skinner, etc. the famous psychologists, and see if any of them said that all human behavior is motivated by money. Bet you can't.
I’m not into psychology. You still need money to take care of your most basic needs. Once your most basic needs are met then money wouldn’t be as big of an issue.
W: My God. Are you serious? Or joking? Tell me you are joking. ANYONE knows what chemistry is, and it has NOTHING to do with money! NOTHING! Look up the definition of it!
Those have to do with chemistry. What does supply and demand have to do with those things? Explain.
The point I’m trying to by using supply and demand with chemistry is this.
I’m a firm believer in the 80/20 rule which is 80% of women sleep with 20% of the guys. When American Women are in their prime they are competing against each other to sleep with those few select guys. These select guys have the luxury of playing these women off each other. Thus the few select guys get high quality sex for low prices. This is pure competition for those exciting bad boys and thugs with no future.
While at the same time there would no chemistry for good hardworking men in the USA with American Women in their prime because exciting boys and thugs with no futures are in demand thus there is chemistry between them while Good Hardworking are just a dime in the dozen.
I also believe an average American Joe can develop better chemistry with Foreign Women because generally they are more financially stable.
If an Average Joe is making $60K-100K a year, he would get to enjoy hotter women in other countries as opposed to the USA.
Foreign will see this average Joe as the prize as opposed to here in America being just another a dime in the dozen.
The average Joe gets to enjoy a pure competition market the trick is just not to get married or have kids with them. If one turns into crap then there are plenty of competitors who will happy to step in.
The fact of matter is the Average Joe would have a better selection if he were to go overseas compared to what is offered here in America. (Used up women in their 30's)
At least the average Joe can enjoy the youth and beauty which other countries have to offer. There for the Average Joe would be able to develop chemistry better.
It was a figure of speech. Yes money can tie me down. But I can always make the choice of walking away. We all have choices. I can choose not to be a slave to money as well, if I want.
Well I guess in the Philippines they don’t enforce child support. What I do know is if it this happened in the USA and a man in a similar situation tried to walk away and refused to pay child support, he would get thrown in prison.
W: Yeah, well try to understand my point. Money matters and can buy you things you want. But I do NOT see it as the chief factor in all my relationships and friendships. And it isn't either. Do you contest that or agree with that?
I believe money is a big factor but not the only factor. You did state you were making $800 a month while the average income in the Philippines is $80. You would be seen off the bat as someone more attractive than a local Filipino suitor. By no means it’s the only factor.