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Postby CHUNG » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:13 am

ive heard so much from asian men who are unhappy with anglo saxon countries, but i would like to hear from the other side. there has to be some people who disagree or have had positive experiences in these countries. ive had bad experiences too, but i dont think its as bad as some of these people make it to be. ive lived in some pretty redneck places and i think about 25% of the white women were cool. and this was me just being myself. when i am a badass, obviously the results go up. and not just for average girls, im talking above average anglo saxon.
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Postby Grunt » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:08 pm

The more relevant point is divorce rates in some American states are hitting 90%, and 70%+ of those divorces are initiated by the female, and children are awarded to the female in 90% of custody disputes even though those children are more likely to be abused or neglected by the mother then the father, and a majority of divorced mothers admit they use the children as a weapon against the father and manipulate the situation to deny fathers visitation rights.

This isn't about "who's cool", this is about who's gonna act cool, then destroy your entire life at the drop of a hat. An old INS report showed the aggregate divorce rate between American men are foreign ladies is 30%.

If those numbers don't mean anything to you, lets also not forget 40% of all TEEN FEMALES in America have ONE OR MORE sexually transmitted disease.
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Postby Sonic Monkey » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:10 am

That last post is full of BS.

The INS has never studied divorce rates of Americans married to foreigners, because they don't keep those stats. They do keep stats on how many foreigners enter the US on fiancee visas, how many leave within 90 days, how many foreigners marry, and how many leave before two years. That's it. There is one study that used INS stats on marriage but was inconclusive. Further, most of those marriages are marriages between immigrants and nationals of the immigrant's country, many of which are arranged, particularly in SE Asian cultures.

Now, as for the stats on marriage, there is no one way to determine how many marriages end in divorce. However, divorce rates now are the lowest they have been since the 1970's, when no fault divorce was introduced, and they are below 50% in total. Included in that statistic are second and third marriages, which have a much higher rate of divorce (60% for second marriages, 75% for third).

This is from a NYT article from 2005:

Statistics on divorce are often misread. Here is a good explanation:

The method preferred by social scientists in determining the divorce rate is to calculate how many people who have ever married subsequently divorced. Counted that way, the rate has never exceeded about 41 percent, researchers say. Although sharply rising rates in the 1970's led some to project that the number would keep increasing, the rate has instead begun to inch downward.

"At this point, unless there's some kind of turnaround, I wouldn't expect any cohort to reach 50 percent, since none already has," said Dr. Rose M.Kreider, a demographer in the Fertility and Family Statistics Branch of the Census Bureau.

. . . for people born in 1955 or later, "the proportion ever divorced had actually declined," compared with those among people born earlier. And, compared with women married before 1975, those married since 1975 had slightly better odds of reaching their 10th and 15th wedding anniversaries with their marriages still intact.

The highest rate of divorce in the 2001 survey was 41 percent for men who were then between the ages of 50 to 59, and 39 percent for women in the same age group.

Researchers say that the small drop in the overall divorce rate is caused by a steep decline in the rate among college graduates. As a result, a "divorcedivide" has opened up between those with and without college degrees, said Dr. Steven P. Martin, an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Maryland.

"Families with highly educated mothers and families with less educated mothers are clearly moving in opposite directions," Dr. Martin wrote in a
paper. . .

As the overall divorce rates shot up from the early 1960's through the late 170's, Dr. Martin found, the divorce rate for women with college degrees and those without moved in lockstep, with graduates consistently having about one-third to one-fourth the divorce rate of nongraduates.

But since 1980, the two groups have taken diverging paths. Women without undergraduate degrees have remained at about the same rate, their risk of divorce or separation within the first 10 years of marriage hovering at around 35 percent. But for college graduates, the divorce rate in the first 10 years of marriage has plummeted to just over 16 percent of those married between 1990 and 1994 from 27 percent of those married between 1975 and 1979.

About 60 percent of all marriages that eventually end in divorce do so within the first 10 years, researchers say. If that continues to hold true,
the divorce rate for college graduates who married between 1990 and 1994 would end up at only about 25 percent, compared to well over 50 percent for those without a four-year college degree.

"It's a big wow sort of story," Dr. Martin said. "I've been looking for two years at other data sets to see if it's wrong, but it really looks like it's
happening."

Still, some researchers remain skeptical about the significance of the small drop in overall divorce rates. . .

"What all experts do agree on is that, after more than a century of rising divorce rates in the United States, the rates abruptly stopped going up
around 1980.

[b]Part of the uncertainty about the most recent trends derives from the fact that no detailed annual figures have been available since 1996, when the National Center for Health Statistics stopped collecting detailed data from states on the age, income, education and race of people who divorced.

As a result, estimates from surveys have had to fill in the gaps. [b]"The overnment has dropped the ball on data collection," said Dr. David Popenoe, professor of sociology and co-director of the National Marriage
Project at Rutgers University.

Joshua R. Goldstein, associate professor of sociology and public affairs at Princeton's Office of Population Research, said the loss of detailed government data, coming at a time when divorce rates were at their highest, might have distorted not only public perception, but people's behavior.

"Expectations of high divorce are in some ways self-fulfilling," he said. "That's a partial explanation for why rates went up in the 1970's."

As word gets out that rates have tempered or actually begun to fall, Dr.Goldstein added, "It could lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy in the other direction."
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Postby Grunt » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:41 pm

Impact on U.S. Marriages

According to data supplied by the U.S. Census Bureau, there were 2,395,000 marriages in the U.S. in the 12 months ending June, 1997 (and 1,154,000 divorces in the same period). The 4,000 to 6,000 marriages involving international services represent, then, a tiny portion (.021 percent) of the women who marry U.S. men.

It is interesting to note that, based largely on data provided by the agencies themselves (along with the Commission on Filipinos Overseas report cited above), marriages arranged through these services would appear to have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole, fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for which reports are available.

Robert J. Scholes, PhD - This research was funded under purchase order COW-8-P-0233 from the Immigration and
Naturalization Service.

Anything else, asshole?
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