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Postby shaq786 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:54 am

This message will probably get deleted but I dont care. As long as I can reach out to just one curious open-minded person, I will be happy. You have all been programmed the wrong way by this man.

I dont blame anyone here for being misled. Given your situation, you were looking for a "guru" that can help you out and get you out of this bad situation of not having a girl. I would have been equally misled if stumbled onto this site 2 years ago when I wanted to do something about this part of my life. And I'm glad I didnt run across this site.

The very first thing that struck my mind when I came to this site was Winston's main premise that girls in the U.S. are so bitchy, stuck up, and impossible to meet, etc. That immediately raised a red flag. I have an entire pick up community consisting of names like David DeAngelo, Mystery, Ross Jeffries, Gunwitch, BadBoy(to name a few) who are willing to say otherwise. Its very easy to meet women in the US, but taking them out on an instant date, or f***ing them involves more skill. This is a fact anywhere you go in the world unless you go the dating agency, mail order bride route, or even prostitution route. But if your not looking for real love between two people then it would be right up your alley.

http://www.mypuajourney.com/ - Observe how easy it is to meet women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO2Nzl5NfmM

Ask yourself this. Is it really worth just pushing the US out of your mind as a potential region of mating possibility because of another man's limiting beliefs? Rejection is a natural part of life. Going overseas and booking a date through dating agencies is only a shortcut. Not only are these women classless gold diggers, your also wasting money going up there when you could get all that work done here in the US. If your looking for a good f**k then get one here in the US through a prostitute or work for it. Bottom line is you wont find love overseas by this man's methods. Take a closer look at some of Winston's videos and analyze the facial expressions on these women. The majority of them aren't happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1lxOL3jI-8
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Postby Winston » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:28 pm

Man you got a lot of nerve coming here and falsely accusing me of things and then posting a video about me from known liars. I'll decide whether or not to delete your post, but can you give us any proof of your claims or do you expect us to take it all on faith like David DeAngelo does?

I do not brainwash anybody. I state my observations and experiences and those who agree concur. They do not "follow" me and I do not tell anyone what to think or do. If anyone asks advice, I try to give the most constructive advice that I can that takes the big picture into account.

You can't deny that the US is a horrible dating scene for men. My Euro friends even admit it. Why do you think the US has the highest rates of mental illness and loneliness in the world? See here: http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Page41.htm

If you have a better alternative than the Happier Abroad path, we'd like to hear it, but we want proof and sense, not a bunch of bogus claims. The truth speaks for itself.

Sure anyone can chat up a girl in the US about the weather, polite conversation, etc. But getting a date and expressing interest or flirting without coming off as a creep is another matter. Can you prove that YOU have a system that will WORK consistently for the average decent male?

Many who have went abroad have concurred and said that I WAS RIGHT. Haven't you read the testimonials? http://www.happierabroad.com/testimonials.php

One person is even getting married to a Lithuanian girl cause of me and this site.
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Postby Repatriate » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:38 pm

Quite hilarious. I can't believe someone spent all that time making a video to slam Winston. As far as I know at least Winston puts his faults out there for everyone to see. I like the concept of this forum because it does address several issues about the U.S. that go unsaid in the mainstream media. Also, the PUA community is interesting and works but some of us are abroad to avoid living in U.S. society period.
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Postby Winston » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:58 pm

Repatriate wrote:Quite hilarious. I can't believe someone spent all that time making a video to slam Winston. As far as I know at least Winston puts his faults out there for everyone to see. I like the concept of this forum because it does address several issues about the U.S. that go unsaid in the mainstream media. Also, the PUA community is interesting and works but some of us are abroad to avoid living in U.S. society period.


That video came out long ago. It's lame but amusing. It serves no productive purpose though, and contains some inaccuracies.

Yeah I'm one of the few guys who puts out his faults, but they aren't always my faults. Sometimes I am the victim of circumstances. But everyone has faults, and the bashers probably have more than me.

How do you know the PUA stuff works? Based on what? I have seen no proof that it does. It's kind of like a religion and subdues your sense of logic with its own.

I think its effectiveness rate is a lot like MLM, multi level marketing. A few people make it work, but it doesn't work for most people. That's not a good system in my view. And for the majority that it doesn't work for, they are told to blame themselves for not following the system exactly, for the system always works, so they are pumped with hype for the system even though they don't get results from it. It's like a religion. MLM and Amway are the same. Most people don't get results from them, nor do they profit, but they are brainwashed into believing in the system so they continue with it, blaming themselves if it doesn't work, until they finally wake up.

Does MLM work? Sure, for a few, but it doesn't work for most.

In reality, you can't "create attraction", but it depends on the pre-existing level of attraction. For example, if I use David DeAngelo's cocky/funny technique on a girl who already likes me or is on the borderline to liking me, it might cause her to find me more challenging and fun to be with, increasing her pre-existing level of attraction. However, if she has no attraction to me at all, or I'm not her type, or she's very anti-social, then it won't make a difference. That's my conclusion about it.

In my case, the girls do not see me as their type and are racist against me too. So there's too much going against me for the PUA stuff to work.

For something to really work, it's got to work CONSISTENTLY for the average decent male who is not a loser, not just a few people. The PUA stuff doesn't seem to meet that criteria, so in my book, it doesn't work.

But on the other hand, the Happier Abroad path DOES seem to work CONSISTENTLY for the average decent male, in my experience.

Enough said.
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Postby momopi » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:35 pm

Guys, he's advertising his web site here.
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Postby shaq786 » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:31 pm

Winston, I'm more inclined to take that side of the video just based solely on the behaviors you displayed on this trip to Russia. http://www.happierabroad.com/The_Negotiator_Scam.htm

You come off as an what they call an AFC(Average Frustrated Chump). It took you god knows how many days and months to realize this girl is a gold digger and yet you were still heavily invested in her, offering to pay her for sex and marry her. It took you 6 months to finally realize this? I would have figured that out on the first meeting. Hell even the first two nights you described having trouble establishing a connection, even getting some sex. I would have figured out there was something wrong with her from the beginning and left alot sooner! And that judgement would have came from the experiences I've had picking up here in the US and the women I've dealt with. Guys like David DeAngelo teach more than cocky funny, they teach inner game and how not to be needy. You've done everything COMPLETELY the opposite and those are the results you got. I dont think your a victim of circumstance but of your own manifestations you have brought in your life. You need to take full responsibility for all your downfalls. I mean for crying out loud, you almost married a prostitute gold digger lol. Everything that she did to you was not her fault, it was your fault. You wonder how guys like Igor can get girls like Julia and f**k their brains out without having to pay for sex, well its because they know how to create and spark that mechanism called attraction. Something you could never do with Katya.

I can already you have very poor sense of judgement. Why should any of these people believe you should recieve a title such as "guru" to them. If you dont consider yourself a guru, then you shouldnt even be writing books. Everything that I've read from this experience you've had shows me you have NO clue on how to create attraction. And your only a student of this game. Before I even read the negotiator scam story, I saw the youtube videos and there was absolutely no interest in you whatsoever from katya.

You want proof that David DeAngelo and other pickup methods work? I just sent you a website with some amatuers doing pick up and meeting great women in North America. I also sent a youtube clip of a pick up artist meeting women in the US. Its like I said before, its not all about learning techniques, and lines. Its about building yourself as a man, and thats something you failed to show by clinging around to this woman until the last minute. And yes you can flurt and express interest without coming off as a creep and successfully get a number. Maybe you feel pick up isnt for you because of your limiting beliefs, you need to go in at a root level and change those. Your self image of dating in America and doing "pick up" here in the states is what is causing your problems.

I think your causing your limiting beliefs to bring down others here. I dont know what other proof you would need. Go here www.theattractionforums.com and click on field reports to get an idea of the success that people are having with women in the US and see how many new threads pop up everyday over there. They are alot more active than here. The only reason why you may not like these pick up methods and have your criticisms is because you havent even out there in the field long enough to master your skill. Your quick fix is to find girls like Katya and Julia who quote you on prices for sex lol. Is that what you do overseas? Look for prostitutes? I would have left Katya the first day with that kind of behavior and just started to sarge other women who are REAL and NORMAL.

Why dont you get your viewers to go to dating websites that have pictures of women that are actually NORMAL for a change instead of shot in some fashion studio. Then you will see that these girls respond just like American girls. In other words, if they dont like you, you get ignored, but if they are interested, they will respond.
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clueless

Postby Nate » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:23 pm

A Shaq attack I guess...has troll written all over him. He does make one point well- it is not that hard to get laid in the USA
if you want what the Ameriskanks are selling. Before I knew what the world offered, I did quiet well in the USA in some ways. especially in getting some very hot girls. But foreign girls are the gold diggers? Huh? Shaq has no clue. Yankee girls are the
champs at gold digging. They know that marriage in the USA is this: "We live together and if it does not work out, I get all your stuff", so of course, a guy with any assets has plenty of reasons to be careful.
However, the shallow and thoughtless ease with which Shaq dishes out general insults and wantonly displays his total ignorance of the world does illustrate a weakness of this kind of forum. "Brave" keyboard commandos can fling insults with ease, that they might
be quite hesitant to do so in person. The need to behave that way when everyone should know how much of a pose it all is, seems to indicate that one has very limited intelligence and experience, and likely a very small member as well...so he tries to compensate.
One can ban him...or let him spew his twaddle, one way or the other it is of no consequence. When he is done, he will go back to doing whatever it is he does. One social observation has been this- that the USA is becoming the land of she-prics and he-bitches.
As the culture slides into oblivion, it is of no consequence whether the Yankee girl is an easy lay or not...an intelligent and experienced man will avoid them one way or the other.
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Winston approached hundreds of women in the USA

Postby jamesbond » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:12 am

Shaq786, Winston approached HUNDREDS of women when he was living in the USA and to no avail. He said he only got a small percentage of women to give him their phone number. Also, most of the women who gave him their phone number he never even got a chance to talk to them over the phone (they never returned his calls). I mean this guy did EVERYTHING humanly possible to meet women in the US and got NOWHERE! He took college classes, did volunteer work, worked as extras in movies, used the newspaper personal ads and the internet.

I mean what more could this man have done to meet women in America? How much rejection can one man take? Christ, I have nowhere near have done what Winston tried to do to meet women and could not take getting rejected by hundreds of women. He literally did everything a human being can do to meet women here in America and finally had to go overseas to meet some women.

The problem with trying to meet women in the US is that, single men far outumber single women, therefore most good looking women have boyfriends. The ones that don't have boyfriends are getting asked out hundreds of times a year! How can a guy succeed in that kind of environment? It's a losing proposition for men in the USA. If 75% of good looking women in the US have boyfriends, the other 25% are either not looking or getting asked out several times a week. Even a lot of good looking guys in the US can't meet women! Winston said most of the women he asked out had boyfriends, the others weren't looking to date anybody.

Another problem with dating for men in the US, is that you can only meet women through your friends or at bars, clubs and parties. Gee, what a great option, I either have to wait until my friends introduce me to someone, or I have to try and "pickup" women at bars and clubs. Also remember 50% of women in America are over weight and 33% are obese! There are a lot of single mother in the US too, another dating disaster for men in the US. Meeting women overseas seems to be the only way to be successful at dating for a lot of guys in the US.
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Re: clueless

Postby shaq786 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:46 am

Nate wrote: Before I knew what the world offered, I did quiet well in the USA in some ways. especially in getting some very hot girls.


If your as successful as you say, then why walk away from it all and pay all this money to go overseas and find someone to engage in a long distance relationship. Because by the end of the day, you will have to come back here, unless you have money to move.

But foreign girls are the gold diggers? Huh? Shaq has no clue. Yankee girls are the
champs at gold digging. They know that marriage in the USA is this: "We live together and if it does not work out, I get all your stuff", so of course, a guy with any assets has plenty of reasons to be careful.


There all the same everywhere! But NOT every girl is a gold digger. You go to the middle east and try to get with a hot girl, they are all about the money, especially if its an American. Go to india, girls will marry you instantly because your American and have a citizenship. They marry you to become legal and drop you for your wealth and are now citizens too. And even Russia as is evidence from Winston, he almost married a Russian Prostitute lol. Go to Croatia and do some approaches, guys like BadBoy(pick up artist) will tell you girls there are notorious for what they want. High standards, gold digging, stuck up attitudes can be found all over the world.

According to Winston method, why am I going to go to sites like the ones he suggests that are full of escorts and gold diggers. The pictures are also so professionally done its very strange and the profiles are so brief and generalized for any man.
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Re: Winston approached hundreds of women in the USA

Postby shaq786 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:05 am

jamesbond wrote:Shaq786, Winston approached HUNDREDS of women when he was living in the USA and to no avail. He said he only got a small percentage of women to give him their phone number. Also, most of the women who gave him their phone number he never even got a chance to talk to them over the phone (they never returned his calls). I mean this guy did EVERYTHING humanly possible to meet women in the US and got NOWHERE!


A lot needs to be analyzed about his approach. He should have gone down the path of pick up and learned how to properly approach women. Thats what alot of these pick up artists teach. Its better than resorting to paying girls who have prostitute like mentalities. I can go and approach women, meet them and get their numbers very easily. Getting the number is the easy part. I honestly believe his lack of success had alot to do with his approach. From the story I read of him in Russia, he comes off as the nice guy with Katya.

I mean what more could this man have done to meet women in America? How much rejection can one man take? Christ, I have nowhere near have done what Winston tried to do to meet women and could not take getting rejected by hundreds of women. He literally did everything a human being can do to meet women here in America and finally had to go overseas to meet some women.


So what have you done to improve yourself? You cant let one man's lack of success rub off on you. Have you ever considered looking into pick up artistry? I think this man has created a very small following and convinced them that American women are worthless and no effort should be put forth.

The problem with trying to meet women in the US is that, single men far outumber single women, therefore most good looking women have boyfriends. The ones that don't have boyfriends are getting asked out hundreds of times a year! How can a guy succeed in that kind of environment? It's a losing proposition for men in the USA. If 75% of good looking women in the US have boyfriends, the other 25% are either not looking or getting asked out several times a week. Even a lot of good looking guys in the US can't meet women! Winston said most of the women he asked out had boyfriends, the others weren't looking to date anybody.


How do the guys on the field report section of this forum pull it off? www.theattractionforums.com The point is you have to keep trying. Some women even lie about having a boyfriend. But its not to get rid of you, its to test you. I wont get into testing psychology of women here but as you go down this path you'll understand it more. Some women have boyfriends but still consider themselves "single." A lot women have different interpretations of what it means to have a boyfriend.

Another problem with dating for men in the US, is that you can only meet women through your friends or at bars, clubs and parties. Gee, what a great option, I either have to wait until my friends introduce me to someone, or I have to try and "pickup" women at bars and clubs.


Well how about malls, coffe shops, parks, gyms, grocery stores. The list goes on. We call it day game. Soul is a day game expert. He was given an award for his day game abilities. http://lifewithsoul.com/
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Postby Winston » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:21 am

momopi wrote:Guys, he's advertising his web site here.


True, but he's making claims about me and his methods, and I would like to challenge him and test him. Everyone deserves a fair hearing. That's what truth seekers do. But don't worry, this will be an easy win :)
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Postby shaq786 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:28 am

Winston wrote:
momopi wrote:Guys, he's advertising his web site here.


True, but he's making claims about me and his methods, and I would like to challenge him and test him. Everyone deserves a fair hearing. That's what truth seekers do. But don't worry, this will be an easy win :)


I'm not promoting anyone's product for money. All the links I provided were from different pick up artists materials. I am only telling people of products that I started out with when I first got into the community. Its funny that I never once heard the name Winston anywhere in the pick up community. If your having a hard time believing that it is possible to meet a women and carry a conversation with her in the US then go to www.attractionforums.com and just read those boards. Thats a very big pick up board and all advice on that board is FREE. And if you have personal questions to me, then email me at shaq78600@hotmail.com. I am no pick up guru, but I would be glad help whatever way I can.
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Postby Winston » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:18 am

shaq786 wrote:Winston, I'm more inclined to take that side of the video just based solely on the behaviors you displayed on this trip to Russia. http://www.happierabroad.com/The_Negotiator_Scam.htm

You come off as an what they call an AFC(Average Frustrated Chump). It took you god knows how many days and months to realize this girl is a gold digger and yet you were still heavily invested in her, offering to pay her for sex and marry her. It took you 6 months to finally realize this? I would have figured that out on the first meeting. Hell even the first two nights you described having trouble establishing a connection, even getting some sex. I would have figured out there was something wrong with her from the beginning and left alot sooner! And that judgement would have came from the experiences I've had picking up here in the US and the women I've dealt with. Guys like David DeAngelo teach more than cocky funny, they teach inner game and how not to be needy. You've done everything COMPLETELY the opposite and those are the results you got. I dont think your a victim of circumstance but of your own manifestations you have brought in your life. You need to take full responsibility for all your downfalls. I mean for crying out loud, you almost married a prostitute gold digger lol. Everything that she did to you was not her fault, it was your fault. You wonder how guys like Igor can get girls like Julia and f**k their brains out without having to pay for sex, well its because they know how to create and spark that mechanism called attraction. Something you could never do with Katya.

I can already you have very poor sense of judgement. Why should any of these people believe you should recieve a title such as "guru" to them. If you dont consider yourself a guru, then you shouldnt even be writing books. Everything that I've read from this experience you've had shows me you have NO clue on how to create attraction. And your only a student of this game. Before I even read the negotiator scam story, I saw the youtube videos and there was absolutely no interest in you whatsoever from katya.

You want proof that David DeAngelo and other pickup methods work? I just sent you a website with some amatuers doing pick up and meeting great women in North America. I also sent a youtube clip of a pick up artist meeting women in the US. Its like I said before, its not all about learning techniques, and lines. Its about building yourself as a man, and thats something you failed to show by clinging around to this woman until the last minute. And yes you can flurt and express interest without coming off as a creep and successfully get a number. Maybe you feel pick up isnt for you because of your limiting beliefs, you need to go in at a root level and change those. Your self image of dating in America and doing "pick up" here in the states is what is causing your problems.

I think your causing your limiting beliefs to bring down others here. I dont know what other proof you would need. Go here www.theattractionforums.com and click on field reports to get an idea of the success that people are having with women in the US and see how many new threads pop up everyday over there. They are alot more active than here. The only reason why you may not like these pick up methods and have your criticisms is because you havent even out there in the field long enough to master your skill. Your quick fix is to find girls like Katya and Julia who quote you on prices for sex lol. Is that what you do overseas? Look for prostitutes? I would have left Katya the first day with that kind of behavior and just started to sarge other women who are REAL and NORMAL.

Why dont you get your viewers to go to dating websites that have pictures of women that are actually NORMAL for a change instead of shot in some fashion studio. Then you will see that these girls respond just like American girls. In other words, if they dont like you, you get ignored, but if they are interested, they will respond.


Hi Shaq,
Please be gracious that I am allowing you a fair hearing, even though your probable purpose here is to advertise your website. I am not against that, since if you have something valuable to advertise that helps others, it should be noted and stand on its own ground. Rest assured that we are not closed minded here and that we are not a religion, unlike you, the PUA movement and Amway are.

I'm sure in your book, I come across as an AFC, but in mine, I am simply a nice honest outgoing wonderful guy who grew up in a sick and oppressive society. As Jiddu Krishnamurti said: "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

Consider your PUA movement. How come guys in Europe, Russia or Asia do not need to pay for PUA books and seminars? How come there isn't a PUA cult following overseas, only in America?

Sure I've made mistakes and been gullible sometimes. But haven't we all? Most guys hide their flaws, I admit to them. That's why people believe me and know that I'm sincere and real.

Look at David DeAngelo's fan letters vs. mine. You can see that his are all bogus and written in the same style, while mine are written in different styles and look far more real cause the readers ASK HONEST SERIOUS questions.

http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Reader_Responses.htm

Failure is a part of life, as long as you learn from it. You are focusing on my failures to try to discredit me. You forget that I currently have a happy healthy relationship here in the Philippines.

Babe Ruth had the most strikeouts as well as the most home runs.

You and the PUA gurus do not have a perfect system that works consistently for the average guy, nor have you demonstrated that it does. Show me an independent site not controlled by David DeAngelo where the majority of guys claim to have gotten hot dates with his techniques and can prove it.

I haven't seen your videos yet, but I will later. I can show you videos of Amway people who are making tons of money too, but does that mean Amway is going to work for most people?

Does PUA work? It can. But so can Amway and MLM. The question is, does it work for MOST guys consistently? MLM and PUA fails that criteria.

Katya was an example used as an example of entertainment. You are focusing on one bad apple.

Did you ever see my photo collage? I challenge you to produce such proof of yourself.

http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm

I don't call myself a guru. Nowhere on my site do I refer to myself as a guru. Even if I were a guru, I would not use that term, cause it implies blind religious obedience without critical thinking. I would never advocate that. A guru can make his followers believe things even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's not what a truth seeker does.

But people find me an inspiration and admire me and found validation and hope and solution from my advice. They do not follow me, they CONCUR with me based on their experiences. For example:

http://www.happierabroad.com/testimonials.php

"I want everyone on this site to know that Winston is 100% right. I have lived abroad and seen the difference in my social life, in how it made me feel inside; and I've also seen the antisocial lame-ass dating scene in the US, and how it undermines a man's confidence and inhibits his ability to simply be himself. It is an absolute shame, and no man should have to live that way... Thanks for a great site Winston. You're doing a service to all American guys by exposing the limited possibilities for happiness and social connection in the US." - Merc

“I was very nervous around women... I traveled to Asia and within a week I learned that I am really only abnormally nervous around American women... What it boils down to, is that foreign women are an entirely different species... It's one of those things you have to experience to fully understand." - Jack

"I went to SE Asia 3 months ago, My Social life went from 0 to Rockstar overnight. America is a dead place, Just GO and get on that airplane. Life is better abroad." - Taogarrett

"I blamed myself for my lack of success with American women. So, I worked hard for many years to improve myself... and I was still getting rejected by women who had no business being picky!... So then I did some traveling to Hungary, the Czech Republic, andthe Philippines , and beautiful young women couldn't keep their hands off of me! Dating is like real estate- the 3 most important factors are location, location, location!" - Hero

"I appreciate Winston doing this site because frankly, I know he's right. Before I moved abroad my social life in the US was a 2 out of 10 (at best). When I moved abroad all that changed dramatically, and I made true friends and dated gorgeous women." - Merc


Did you see these quotes?

http://www.happierabroad.com/testimonials.php
http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Quotes.htm

Why not focus on them rather than on Katya? For example, these folks said I put guys like you to shame:

"Your book has exposed me to a paradigm shift with regard to dating. My collection of dating / seduction books is now merely a repository of rubbish." - Jelani, NY

"I thank you Winston from the bottom of my heart for showing me and other lonely men THE WAY to PARADISE... Those seduction books I use to buy are total GARBAGE compared to what YOU'VE proven and you put PUA artist and experts to complete shame with SIMPLICITY and REAL PROVEN SOLUTIONS WINSTON..." - Dwayne, NY


I told you before, there has to be a pre-existing level of attraction for PUA to work. If a girl wants a tall white guy and you are a short asian guy, PUA isn't going to make a difference. I don't know one person whose life has been turned around by it.

Plus, overseas I have natural success. Dating happens naturally. No need for your artificial techniques that are unnatural. I don't have a problem anymore. I get hot girls, and I do it without any PUA. That's a REALITY.

See this paragraph in my executive summary:

The existence of a ridiculous subculture industry in America for Seduction/Pick Up Artist Gurus (Mystery, Ross Jeffries, David DeAngelo, etc), where men pay for seminars and books from teachers claiming to have "mastered techniques" for meeting and bedding women. This "artificial industry" has been on the rise. Even Dr. Phil has featured some of them on his show. They've treated courtship as a whole "scientific field of study", which is ridiculous. This should tell you a lot right there. Why would such a natural thing like male/female courtship need to be reduced to a "technique" or "science" as though it were a difficult subject that needed to be "mastered"?! In other countries, it's just like you see in the movies - boy meets girl, they flirt, hold hands, say "I like you" to each other, then kiss and so forth. It's completely natural and effortless. (I've experienced this firsthand many times) The students of this industry even have to "master an art" (e.g. advanced conversation techniques) just to hold conversations with women, which ought to be the most natural thing in the world! Now the thing is, this type of industry is unheard of in other countries. I challenge you to find another country where men pay "seduction or pick up artist gurus" to teach them how to meet women. You can't, cause in other countries, the process is natural and flows normally, not F ed up like in the US. The "chumps" in this subculture never stop to ask the obvious question: "Why doesn't this industry exist in other countries too?" (And suffice to say, I have yet to meet a single person who could demonstrate and prove that these PUA/seduction techniques turned his love/dating life around 180)
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Re: clueless

Postby Winston » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:25 am

shaq786 wrote:
Nate wrote: Before I knew what the world offered, I did quiet well in the USA in some ways. especially in getting some very hot girls.


If your as successful as you say, then why walk away from it all and pay all this money to go overseas and find someone to engage in a long distance relationship. Because by the end of the day, you will have to come back here, unless you have money to move.

But foreign girls are the gold diggers? Huh? Shaq has no clue. Yankee girls are the
champs at gold digging. They know that marriage in the USA is this: "We live together and if it does not work out, I get all your stuff", so of course, a guy with any assets has plenty of reasons to be careful.


There all the same everywhere! But NOT every girl is a gold digger. You go to the middle east and try to get with a hot girl, they are all about the money, especially if its an American. Go to india, girls will marry you instantly because your American and have a citizenship. They marry you to become legal and drop you for your wealth and are now citizens too. And even Russia as is evidence from Winston, he almost married a Russian Prostitute lol. Go to Croatia and do some approaches, guys like BadBoy(pick up artist) will tell you girls there are notorious for what they want. High standards, gold digging, stuck up attitudes can be found all over the world.

According to Winston method, why am I going to go to sites like the ones he suggests that are full of escorts and gold diggers. The pictures are also so professionally done its very strange and the profiles are so brief and generalized for any man.


It's obvious that you do not have much travel or dating experience outside the US matrix. If you did, you'd know that girls do not just jump for you cause you're American. Go to India and try it, you'll get a rude awakening. Overseas the dating scene is more natural and flows smoothly. Do you really think PUA methods are natural and God given and imbred? Hell no. They are part of a fake sick dysfunctional society and its members' attempt to cope.

Me and many others have gotten all that we want from dating overseas. Why go back to a losing strategy like yours?

See my 20 year story where I tried everything, and I challenge you to find out where I went wrong or what could have been done differently.

http://www.happierabroad.com/MyStory.htm
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Scarcity Obsession

Postby Nate » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:43 am

Shaq-

OK...I can give you a little credit on this- that this site appears to have members who appear to have difficulty getting girls in
the USA and that their main purpose in being overseas is to get laid. (Often with cheap hookers) I would agree that if you are too
ugly, fat, or just plain unskilled, going overseas can improve your odds.
However, the reasons for living overseas go far beyond women. In fact, among men I associate with, having beautiful girlfriends or wives is certainly NOT the reason they are overseas, it is just one of many benefits. I do not care for the fake, strip mall, soulless
existence in the USA. Frankly, I find most Americans inane in conversation. I would characterize life in the USA as MacLife.
Overseas I live far better on the same money. I enjoy a full time housekeeper and gardener. I enjoy tropical beaches and far lower taxes and more freedom. If I want to add a patio on my house I do not need to go through layers of government bureaucracy to do it. When I talk with friends, the topic of conversation is hardly about whether we managed to snag a hot girlfriend. It is assumed that
if any of us want that, that is what we have. The value of the dollar against the Euro, offshore banking, or a really great deal on some real estate is far more likely to be the topic of our conversation. Cars, boats, weapons and airplanes might figure in...helping out a local worthwhile charity is also of interest- an important one in fact.
Endless chatter about "How to pick up girls" sounds like a bunch of permanent adolescents. Most of my friends are in the 40 to 50's age group. If any of them want a hot young girlfriend, I assume that is what they have. We do not kiss and tell. When I visit a friend and a gorgeous young woman joins us at the pool, I do not need to ask questions. We do not talk later about whether she is a "good f**k". That is the behavior of classless boors and typical mindless pinheads. That is the behavior of schoolboys.
I offer respect for my friends and expect the same from them. We do not poach on the business or women of friends. Men who do that have no honor. Especially in much of the rest of the world, men with no honor towards friends and associates can live short lives.
Hot girls are a dime a dozen. A gorgeous girl who can carry on an intelligent conversation, is "built for speed", and has a good heart and soul, is much more rare. In this area I consider myself blessed. Much of what passes for conversation here is simply juvenile panting over poontang and the obsequious sniffing of panties and bicycle seats. Get a life.
In any case, live free. Enjoy life. Find bigger purposes than oneself. It is likely wise advice to not mess with forces one does not understand, or mess with men who can put you under.
One's destiny in life is far more important than whether you can trick some bimbo out of her panties.


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