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Postby SNS » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:43 am

DiscoPro_Joe wrote:SNS, did I mention that several of the female friends I've made here in Chongqing are feminists? Did you know that they exhibit none of the hateful or paranoid characteristics of American modern feminists?

You come across me as someone who believes that all blacks are the same, all gays are the same, all atheists are the same, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.

The asinine "They're not all like that" sound bite.

momopi wrote:There are all kinds of feminists, including sex-positive feminism which supports hetrosexual relationships, porn, and prostitution. One interesting flavor is libertarian feminists who stress on individual choice and accepting the responsbilities for your own action (or inaction). For example:

http://www.intellectualconservative.com ... ereotypes/

I do not doubt there could be feminists like this but rest assured that they are the extreme minority in a group that despises anything male. Believe it or not back during Hitler Germany most members of the Nazi Party did not actively participate in throwing people into the ovens or processing them into lamp shades. A lot of party members were actually quite humble. But as you think about that now, and if you were to be in Germany at that time, how would you feel if you happen to meet someone and found out they are a Nazi Party member? Despite that this particular person may not be actively involved in the killing and genocide, what would you still think? Would you not find it very difficult to not have contempt for someone who is only a member?

and BTW those quotes I posted are from mainstream feminists leaders and / or representatives, not an outside fringe minority group.

momopi wrote:If you choose not to exercise that right/freedom, then that's your problem. People who just bitch and complain get no respect because sympathy is only given the first time. Men who complain about rejection by women constantly is about as repulsive as that crazy stalker ex-GF who can't get over the breakup.

Classic shaming tactic. It aint gonna fly here. Yeah those Holocaust victims who complained about the genocide. [/sarcasm]

Most men do not have the means to 'get outta Dodge' so they are stuck in the feminazi wasteland and have to contend with the extreme political correctness, extreme anti-male biased laws, and overall dysfunctionality of a nation run and inhabited by idiots. A man has very few rights in the USA, and absolute zero (0) rights as a father. Fact is in the USA the feminist lobby have the law makers at their beckon call. We have laws like IMBRA VAWA etc, we have an extremely unfair divorce court system. One judge in NJ awarded palimony to a chick who broke up with her boyfriend and they were not even living together. So in essence simply dating a female has become defacto marriage. We all know when one judge pulls a BS stunt like this in the courtroom, other states will try to follow and do the same thing.

Oh yes, let's also take a look at paternity fraud. A woman can literally pull a man's name out of a hat and say to Social Services: "He's the father of my child, i want payments" Google paternity fraud and get educated. The state goes along with this without even questioning whether or not she is telling the Truth. A lot of cases a man is not even allowed to do a DNA test to prove he is not the father of a child, being accused by a woman he has not even met. And there are numerous cases where an accused man does prove he is not the father but the courts still will garnish his wages anyway. All the while the feminists are singing the praises of the courts and saying "Thank you for thinking of the children!"

At this stage of the game we are not looking for respect from women, we are trying to simply be able to exist and be left the hell alone which is becoming ever more difficult every year. Try going to Glenn Sacks website and get clued in.

Oh, you will then respond "I know but......" Guess what? I am willing to wager none of the members here who are unplugged and realize the big scam played on decent men really want to hear it.
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Postby Adama » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:55 am

DiscoPro_Joe wrote:SNS, did I mention that several of the female friends I've made here in Chongqing are feminists? Did you know that they exhibit none of the hateful or paranoid characteristics of American modern feminists?

You come across me as someone who believes that all blacks are the same, all gays are the same, all atheists are the same, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.


Not yet. The society doesnt allocate for that yet. If you lived another 60 years there (and if you still cared), I would bet you my future retirement that it would be vastly different.

Feminism is a cancer. It is not a cure for anything.

You ever read the Garbage Generation by Daniel Amneus?
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Postby DiscoPro_Joe » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:59 am

Great post, Momopi. In my old thread, "In Defense of Individualism and Feminism," there is a specific weblink to Wendy McElroy's site http://ifeminists.net Great, great site. I've been an individualist feminist (a.k.a., libertarian feminist) for a long, long time.

Classic feminists such as this kind are often the best criticizers of modern feminism in America. The former can easily call out the latter's plethora of hypocrisies.

SNS wrote:Most men do not have the means to 'get outta Dodge' so they are stuck...


Check out this thread. You'll see there just might be a way out after all. This path certainly has its risks, though, so be sure and look before you leap.

SNS wrote:I do not doubt there could be feminists like this but rest assured that they are the extreme minority in a group that despises anything male.


They're certainly in the minority among feminists in the U.S., but seem to be among the majority of the feminists overseas.

Insidious wrote:Not yet. The society doesnt allocate for that yet. If you lived another 60 years there (and if you still cared), I would bet you my future retirement that it would be vastly different.


How do you figure that? Do you think China will have the world's official reserve currency in 2070, which the U.S. currently has (so it can sit there, print money, give it to the rest of the world, and not have to produce anything...thereby replicating the current economic environment of the U.S.)? That certainly is a possibility, but then again, I'm hoping that private digital gold currencies will replace the world's fiat paper systems in the coming years and decades. Governments around the world will fight tooth and nail against these private currencies at first, but will be unable to stop them in the long run.

I would bet that the Chinese economic environment of 2070 will be at least somewhat different from America's today. And therefore, so will its predominant form of feminism. I also am predicting that when the obliterated U.S. economy bottoms around the year 2020, America's predominant form of feminism will return to the classical kind, because the U.S. will no longer hold the world's official reserve currency. Entitlement mentalities will become less common as a result of this.

Insidious wrote:Feminism is a cancer. It is not a cure for anything.


Really??? How about women being allowed to own property, to work outside the home, and to be legally treated as an adult (instead of a child)? This is precisely what classic feminists fought for in the last 150 years. Is there a problem with that?
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Postby Adama » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:41 am

DiscoPro_Joe wrote:
Insidious wrote:Not yet. The society doesnt allocate for that yet. If you lived another 60 years there (and if you still cared), I would bet you my future retirement that it would be vastly different.


How do you figure that? Do you think China will have the world's official reserve currency in 2070, which the U.S. currently has (so it can sit there, print money, give it to the rest of the world, and not have to produce anything...thereby replicating the current economic environment of the U.S.)? That certainly is a possibility, but then again, I'm hoping that private digital gold currencies will replace the world's fiat paper systems in the coming years and decades. Governments around the world will fight tooth and nail against these private currencies at first, but will be unable to stop them in the long run.

I would bet that the Chinese economic environment of 2070 will be at least somewhat different from America's today. And therefore, so will its predominant form of feminism. I also am predicting that when the obliterated U.S. economy bottoms around the year 2020, America's predominant form of feminism will return to the classical kind, because the U.S. will no longer hold the world's official reserve currency. Entitlement mentalities will become less common as a result of this.

Insidious wrote:Feminism is a cancer. It is not a cure for anything.


Really??? How about women being allowed to own property, to work outside the home, and to be legally treated as an adult (instead of a child)? This is precisely what classic feminists fought for in the last 150 years. Is there a problem with that?


I will only advise you to read the first couple of chapters of Daniel Amneus's Garbage Generation. He spells it out specifically. The more power given to women, the weaker the family becomes. (No need to read the entire thing, unless you prefer: http://www.fisheaters.com/garbagegeneration.html )

Also, feminism is a "slippery slope." Women will never be satisfied with the amount of rights and privileges they have. Even today in the USA, in which women are considered to be minorities with their "protected status", they still demand ever more rights and privileges.

You must also acknowledge the biological advantage that women have just by owning the uteruses. The power of sexual selection already gives women enormous power, though it is subtle.

Another point is that once women are given equal power to men, virtually all women ban together quite easily in sisterhood to accomplish more Feminist goals. Men are more individualistic and arent wired on a biological level to ban together, but rather compete for resources and mates.
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Postby SNS » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:04 pm

DiscoPro_Joe wrote:
Insidious wrote:Feminism is a cancer. It is not a cure for anything.


Really??? How about women being allowed to own property, to work outside the home, and to be legally treated as an adult (instead of a child)? This is precisely what classic feminists fought for in the last 150 years. Is there a problem with that?

On top of that you are ignorant. In America before the whole women's lib BS women were allowed to own property and work outside the home. Things were getting becoming better for women without feminism. Contemporary feminism is based on hatred of men. Go back and read the quotes I posted from these feminists leaders.
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SNS wrote:Most men do not have the means to 'get outta Dodge' so they are stuck...

Check out this thread. You'll see there just might be a way out after all. This path certainly has its risks, though, so be sure and look before you leap.

That thread was about whether or not one should leave the States with Credit card debt, not a concise plan to expatriate. You're even stupider than I thought. I'm done here.
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Postby Winston » Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:25 pm

SNS wrote:
DiscoPro_Joe wrote:If you're a male feminist like me,

You sir, were tragically born without a brain. Let us take a look at the various remarks that famous and so-called respected feminist leaders have stated over the years:

Famous hate quotes from feminists:


I think you misunderstood Joe. He does not advocate hateful feminists. The kind of feminists you are exposing are man hating feminazis masquerading under the term "feminism". What Joe advocates is just simple pure equality between men and women. I have no problem with that if it's just about basic equality. The problem comes when man hating and female superiority agendas are promoted under the mask of "feminism and equality". That is deceptive, harmful and plain wrong. But it seems as though you've confused the two. The hateful kind is NOT what Joe is supporting. Hope that clears it up for you.
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Postby Adama » Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:28 pm

Winston wrote:
SNS wrote:
DiscoPro_Joe wrote:If you're a male feminist like me,

You sir, were tragically born without a brain. Let us take a look at the various remarks that famous and so-called respected feminist leaders have stated over the years:

Famous hate quotes from feminists:


I think you misunderstood Joe. He does not advocate hateful feminists. The kind of feminists you are exposing are man hating feminazis masquerading under the term "feminism". What Joe advocates is just simple pure equality between men and women. I have no problem with that if it's just about basic equality. The problem comes when man hating and female superiority agendas are promoted under the mask of "feminism and equality". That is deceptive, harmful and plain wrong. But it seems as though you've confused the two. The hateful kind is NOT what Joe is supporting. Hope that clears it up for you.


Women = men just may be a false premise. I really do think they are children in adult bodies, often with no sense of honor or loyalty. But hey, just look at the gray matter vs the white matter ratios in men and women.
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Postby SNS » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:15 pm

Winston wrote:
SNS wrote:
DiscoPro_Joe wrote:If you're a male feminist like me,

You sir, were tragically born without a brain. Let us take a look at the various remarks that famous and so-called respected feminist leaders have stated over the years:

Famous hate quotes from feminists:


I think you misunderstood Joe. He does not advocate hateful feminists. The kind of feminists you are exposing are man hating feminazis masquerading under the term "feminism". What Joe advocates is just simple pure equality between men and women. I have no problem with that if it's just about basic equality. The problem comes when man hating and female superiority agendas are promoted under the mask of "feminism and equality". That is deceptive, harmful and plain wrong. But it seems as though you've confused the two. The hateful kind is NOT what Joe is supporting. Hope that clears it up for you.

Respectfully Winston, there is no in between. Feminism is destructive and has an anti-male biased agenda. Please read my Nazi Party affiliation analogy I wrote earlier in this thread. There is no such thing as moderate feminists.
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Postby momopi » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:19 pm

SNS wrote:Most men do not have the means to 'get outta Dodge' so they are stuck in the feminazi wasteland and have to contend with the extreme political correctness, extreme anti-male biased laws, and overall dysfunctionality of a nation run and inhabited by idiots.


Don't have the means, or don't have the will power to get off their butts?

In the end, you're still responsible for your own actions. If you're too lazy, then blame no one but yourself.
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Postby Hero » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:11 pm

Winston wrote:Why are you guys dissing Holland? Dutch people are some of the friendliest and most open minded I've ever met. They are also very down to earth and easy to connect with and hold conversations with.


Hey, if prostitution and marijuana were legal here, I'd be a lot more friendly too :lol:
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Postby EvilBaga » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:27 am

Winston wrote:Why are you guys dissing Holland? Dutch people are some of the friendliest and most open minded I've ever met. They are also very down to earth and easy to connect with and hold conversations with. Very refreshing to say the least. Even if they are feminist, at least they are not hateful and antisocial types. They tend to be open minded, liberal, intellectual and among the least racist. I haven't been to Holland, but almost all the Dutch people I've met are like that.


Ive had the opposite experience, but then again, Ive only met 3. All men, no clue about the women.
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