Approaching Taiwan girls - Response to Winston
Posted: May 17th, 2010, 3:09 am
Hey Winston. You posted in another thread about the barriers to approaching girls in Taiwan. Since it was embedded in another topic, I decided to separate it out and create this new thread. Here is your post followed by my responses in CAPs.
Perhaps, but despite all the factors and strategies, the bottom line is that it simply does NOT FEEL comfortable approaching women in Taiwan. In fact it feels very INAPPROPRIATE and I know it is not my imagination.
PERHAPS LOCAL GIRLS GIVE FOREIGNERS MORE LEEWAY ON THIS AND ASSUME WE ARE NATURALLY MORE AGGRESSIVE SOCIALLY. BUT ANYWAY, RESULTS HERE (NUMBERS, DATES, AND EVENTUAL INTIMACY WITH LOCAL GIRLS YOU ARE ATTRACTED TO) OFTEN REQUIRE YOU TO EXIT YOUR COMFORT ZONE. APPROACH AS MANY GIRLS AS YOU LIKE IN AN APPROPRIATE, POLITE, AND SINCERE WAY. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T BLOCK THEIR PATH OR TOUCH THEM, THE WORST THING THAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS A POLITE REFUSAL.
Yes Taipei has more opportunities to meet people. But it has the same vibe in terms of closed exteriors, lack of eye contact, smiles, etc. People tend to be in a rush to get somewhere like in a Western big city, and girls do not smile or make eye contact.
THERE ARE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF WAYS TO DEAL WITH THE BUSY URBAN VIBE. ONE IS THE SHOTGUN APPROACH USED BY THE AFRICAN / JAPANESE PICK-UP TEAM IN JAPAN WE SAW FROM THE RECENT VIDEO. THIS METHOD YIELDS A LOT OF APPROACHES IN A SHORT TIME BUT THE REJECTION RATE IS VERY HIGH TOO. THE OTHER WAY IS TO TARGET GIRLS BASED ON THEIR BODY LANGUAGE AND ACTIVITY. FOR EXAMPLE GO TO VENUES WERE PEOPLE ARE IN LESS OF A HURRY (BOOKSTORES, ENTERTAINMENT AREAS) AND LOOK FOR SINGLE GIRLS WHO WALK SLOWLY IN A RELAXED WAY OR CASUALLY WINDOW SHOP. IF YOU ARE SMOOTH ENOUGH AND CHOOSE YOUR TARGETS WELL, REJECTION RATE FOR THIS METHOD GOES DOWN CONSIDERABLY. USUALLY, YOU JUST WANT TO BUILD A BIT OF RAPPORT, GAUGE HER INTEREST, EXCHANGE DIGITS AND EMAIL, AND END WITH A VAGUE COMMENT ABOUT GETTING IN TOUCH ANOTHER DAY. THE FOLLOW-UP IS A NEW GAME.
Yeah I can stop girls occasionally to ask directions and try to work up a conversation, it's possible, but it still feels like it's AGAINST the flow and not a normal thing.
SO WHAT. DOES THAT REALLY BOTHER YOU SO MUCH? IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO GO WITH THE FLOW AND BE NORMAL? SOMETIMES BY STANDING OUT, YOU MAKE A STRONG IMPRESSION, OFTEN BAD BUT SOMETIMES VERY GOOD TOO. THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO ALWAYS BE INVISIBLE OR EASILY FORGOTTEN. BEING DIFFERENT CAN MAKE YOU SPECIAL. I THOUGHT YOU PRIDED YOURSELF FOR BEING SO DIFFERENT, SO NON-CONFORMIST.
It's all about the feel. If you don't have the feel of the wave, you're not going to do that well. It's true in sports too. If you don't have a good feel of the ball in the game, you can't play well.
YES, THAT'S WHY PRACTICE IS SO IMPORTANT. YOU CAN DEVELOP A GOOD FEEL THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR AND EVENTUALLY REACH YOUR FULL POTENTIAL HERE WHATEVER IT IS. MAYBE YOU WILL FIND OUT YOU ARE NOT SO GOOD AT THIS PARTICULAR SPORT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEVER GAVE IT A FULL SHOT. HOW MANY GIRLS HAVE YOU APPROACHED IN TAIPEI AS AN ADULT? HAVE YOU EVER WINGED WITH AN AGGRESSIVE OR SUCCESSFUL FRIEND HERE? YOU CAN LEARN A LOT AND LET GO OF INHIBITIONS JUST BY WATCHING OTHER GUYS WHO HAVE BALLS OPERATE.
And that's the deeper problem.
THE COMFORT ZONE IS EASY. THE LEARNING CURVE IS PAINFUL. BUT TAIWAN IS NOT THE USA SO THERE IS A PAYOFF TOO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BAD ASS, RICH AND FAMOUS, OR VERY HANDSOME TO ACHIEVE REASONABLE SUCCESS WITH ATTRACTIVE GIRLS HERE.
One thing is for sure. You certainly can't approach girls in Taiwan like in Russia. That I'd bet a million dollars on.
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN - THAT YOU CAN'T GO UP TO ANY GIRL ON THE STREET OR THAT THEY WILL RESPOND DIFFERENTLY? I AGREE THAT THE GENERAL RANGE OF RESPONSES WILL BE DIFFERENT. BUT AS I SAID, YOU CAN APPROACH MOST SINGLE GIRLS OR EVEN GIRLS IN GROUPS AS LONG AS YOU ARE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL. IF ANYONE ASKS WHAT YOU ARE DOING, JUST BE DIRECT. SAY THAT SHE LOOKS LIKE A VERY INTERESTING PERSON AND YOU WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO KNOW HER A BIT BETTER. IF SHE SAYS NO, THEN MOVE ON. IF JIMMY (A BOYFRIEND) SUDDENLY APPEARS, JUST APOLOGIZE BRIEFLY, TELL THE GUY HES LUCK, AND MAKE A QUIET EXIT. THIS AIN'T SAUDI ARABIA. ATTRACTIVE GIRLS AND NOT SO ATTRACTIVE GIRLS DO GET HIT ON HERE. THEY CALL IT 'DA SAN' AND MANY TAKE IT AS A COMPLIMENT EVEN IF THEY PRETEND NOT TO. NOW HAVING SAID ALL THAT, YOU NEED TO GAUGE YOURSELF RELATIVE TO THE GIRL. IF YOU APPROACH A SMOKING HOT 18 YEAR OLD MODEL TYPE WHO IS DRESSED FASHIONABLY AND YOU ARE NOT OF VERY DECENT CALIBER YOURSELF OR MUCH OLDER, SHE MAY STILL BE POLITE. BUT SHE WON'T REALLY TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. AT BEST, YOU MIGHT GET A NEW FRIEND UNLESS YOU HAVE 'LOTTERY WINNING' LUCK.
I have Taiwanese relatives in Taipei and they do not say that Taipei girls are more open and approachable. They all say that to meet girls you have to be introduced by mutual friends, or join an organization, class, or activity. (which there aren't that many of anyway since everyone is so busy working). Only foreigners and some abc's claim that Taiwanese girls are approachable and easy to chat up. Local Taiwanese guys do not usually say that at all.
MANY OF MY TAIWANESE CLASSMATES AT UNIVERSITY IN THE STATES TOLD ME A SIMILAR THING. THEY SAID I WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE LUCK MEETING TAIWANESE WHO STUDY AT MY SCHOOL IN THE US BECAUSE THE ONES IN TAIWAN ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO FOREIGNERS AND ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE. BOY WERE THEY WRONG. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE TRADITIONAL SET ROLLS, VERY TYPICAL OF GRADUATE LEVEL TAIWANESE STUDENT THINKING IN THE USA. TAIPEI, ON THE OTHER HAND, HAS MANY ALTERNATIVE, OPEN, AND MODERN TYPES TOO. THERE IS A THRIVING LOCAL GAY COMMUNITY HERE AND SOME STRAIGHT FOREIGNERS BECOME PLATONIC FRIENDS WITH THESE GUYS AND AS A BENEFIT GET ACCESS TO THEIR OFTEN HOT FEMALE FRIENDS. AND AS FOR THE MORE CONSERVATIVE TYPES OF GIRLS, THEY CAN SURPRISE YOU SOMETIMES. I REMEMBER APPROACHING ONE OF THESE TYPES WHO TOLD ME THAT PEOPLE IN TAIWAN DON'T MAKE FRIENDS WITH STRANGERS. BUT SHE TOOK MY TELEPHONE NUMBER ANYWAY AND A FEW DAYS LATER STARTED TEXTING ME. THAT IN TURN DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING.
Yeah the girls in Taipei may be more knowledgeable about pop culture. But that doesn't make them more open in terms of an exterior of openness, smiling, making eye contact, etc. No way. Even user name gits on this forum made a video of Taipei and in his video, you can see that no one is making eye contact with anyone. It's not normal to do so. Gits admits this too, yet he claims he can approach girls in Taiwan the same way I do in Russia. Go figure.
EYE CONTACT AND SMILING ARE NOT THE END ALL BE ALL. IF I WANT SMILES, I CAN GO TO THAILAND. IF I WANT LOTS OF COFFEE DATES AND INNOCENT FLIRTING, MAYBE I CAN GET THAT IN RUSSIA. BUT HOW MANY OF THESE GIRLS WILL REALLY GIVE IN RETURN - INTIMACY OR AT LEAST SINCERE NO STRINGS ATTACHED LONG TERM FRIENDSHIP WITH NO MONETARY EXPECTATIONS FROM THEM, THEIR FAMILY OR THEIR FRIENDS? SOMETIMES SHY AND RESERVED PEOPLE CAN ALSO BE THE MOST SINCERE AND GIVING IN THE LONGER RUN. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE SEEKING. FROM WHAT I'VE READ ON YOUR SITE, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THOSE OPEN AND EXPRESSIVE RUSSIAN HOTTIES YOU APPROACHED ENDED UP PLAYING AND DITCHING YOU.
Bottom line is that Taiwan does not have the kind of social energy that exists in Europe that makes you feel like meeting girls is part of the flow. Definitely not. That kind of social energy isn't there. Not even in Taipei.
I LIVED IN WESTERN EUROPE FOR 2.5 YEARS AS A YOUNG MAN. ADMITTEDLY, I WAS SHY AND HAD NO GAME. BUT ZERO DATES IS A PRETTY PATHETIC SHOWING. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING MAGICAL THERE. IT WAS MORE LIKE 'USA-PART 2'
Someday I will upload my videos of Krakow Poland and you will see what I mean. There was definitely a social energy there where chatting up a girl was like riding WITH the waves, not against it.
OK, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO EASTERN EUROPE. I'M SURE I WOULD FIND MANY OF THE GIRLS THERE ATTRACTIVE. I NEED TO RESEARCH THAT AREA MORE AND PERHAPS GET MY ASS OVER THERE.
That kind of energy is simply absent in Taiwan or Japan, regardless of what anyone claims. And that's why in a lot of ways Taiwan feels like the US, with a similar "mind your own business, keep to yourself" vibe.
IF I JUST EVALUATE END RESULTS, THE US AND TAIWAN COULD NOT BE MORE DIFFERENT FOR ME. I GOT MORE FEMALE ATTENTION AND ACTION FROM 1-2 MONTHS IN TAIWAN THAN DURING MY ENTIRE 8 YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE IN THE US.
As for me, my style is that I have to connect people on their exterior before I can connect with them on their interior. With the cold strict Taiwanese exterior, my exterior cannot connect since I need a warm exterior from them before connecting with the interior. It's hard to explain in words what I mean. Basically, even if a girl has a warm interior, it's hard to even talk to her if she has a cold exterior. It's very weird.
YES, CLICKING AND CONNECTING DEPEND A LOT ON BOTH PARTIES. A TOPIC I SOMETIMES ENGAGE GIRLS HERE ABOUT WHEN I FIRST MEET THEM IS THEIR ASTROLOGY SIGN. FROM EXPERIENCE, I'VE FOUND MYSELF TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH SOME SIGNS THAN OTHERS. FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE HAD A LOT OF DISAPPOINTMENTS WITH AQUARIUS GIRLS, CONNECT VERY QUICKLY AND WELL WITH VIRGOS, AND HAVE FOUND CANCER AND TAURUS GIRLS TO BE VERY SINCERE WITH ME. SCORPIO IS GOOD TOO AS LONG AS YOU ARE SERIOUS BUT IF YOU HURT THEM, THEY CAN HURT YOU BACK.
It's very frustrating though being in a country where it feels strongly illegal and inappropriate to approach a girl you like. It's also infuriating and a huge let down. There are many hot girls in Taiwan with smooth delicate skin and feminine bodies and voices, that's for sure. That's what makes it worse.
I KNOW, YOU JUST NEED TO THICKEN YOUR SKIN AND ACCEPT REJECTION AS PART OF THE PROCESS. PERHAPS YOU WILL HAVE TO APPROACH A LARGE NUMBER BEFORE YOU GET ANY RESULTS.
I know one white guy who has lived here for ten years and speaks good Chinese. He lives in Taipei like you Rock, and works for a law firm. He even came to Angeles City for a while to start a bubble tea business, but his Filipina girlfriend and her family took advantage of him and forced him to quit his business and lose his investment. Anyway, he even admits to me that Taiwanese girls in Taipei do not like talking to strangers and that you have to join a group event or activity to meet them usually.
This guy works in a law firm too, and it decent looking. But he is a serious type and does not seem to be a PUA guy or cold approacher type at all. Very few western guys have the guts to cold approach a woman usually, even in Taiwan. But the thing is, he is white and he does not claim that Taiwanese girls are easy to meet by cold approaches. So not all white guys make this claim. Only some do.
I REALIZE THAT BOTH OF US ARE PERHAPS ON THE OLD SIDE FOR TAIWAN GAME. BUT NEVER MIND THAT. IF YOU LIKE, WE CAN MEET SOMETIME, PERHAPS IN TAICHUNG, TO DO APPROACHES AND MAKE SOME NEW FRIENDS. WHEN I APPROACH GIRLS, I DO FEEL NERVOUS. BUT THAT USUALLY DOESN'T STOP ME.
SOME WESTERN GUYS COLD APPROACH HERE, OTHERS DON'T: DIFFERENT GUYS + DIFFERENT MOTIVATIONS + DIFFERENT ACTIONS = DIFFERENT RESULTS. I'VE KNOW A FAIR NUMBER OF WHITE GUYS HERE, CO-WORKERS, FLAT MATES, FRIENDS, FRIENDS OF FRIENDS, ETC. HERE'S A BASIC PROFILE OF A FEW THAT COME TO MIND:
A: SHORT BUT GOOD LOOKING MID 30S STUDENT OF CHINESE. STAYED FOR A YEAR AND DATED OVER 15 LOCAL GIRLS AND A COUPLE OF ABCS. MANY WERE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO HOT BY MOST PEOPLE'S STANDARDS.
B: BALDING LATE 20S AVERAGE HEIGHT AVERAGE LOOKING FINANCE PROFESSIONAL: STAYED FOR 3 YEARS. DID NOT APPROACH OR DATE GIRLS HERE IN SPITE OF GOOD CHINESE. EVENTUALLY MET A LOCAL 36 YEAR OLD WEALTHY CAREER WOMAN AND DATED HER SERIOUSLY FOR OVER A YEAR.
C: SHORT, BELOW AVERAGE LOOKING, MID 30S EDITOR AT LOCAL COMPANY: CAME FROM ENGLAND TO LIVE WITH VERY ATTRACTIVE, SEXY AND TALL 22 YEAR OLD LOCAL GIRL HE MET ONLINE. ENGAGED TO HER AFTER 18 MONTHS AND...HOPEFULLY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER.
D. SHORT AVERAGE TO BELOW AVERAGE LOOKING MID 30S BROKERAGE ASSISTANT: STAYED FOR 6 YEARS. LEARNED GREAT CHINESE. BECAME A VERY AGGRESSIVE AT APPROACHING WOMEN HERE ON THE INTERNET, MRT, CLUBS, ON THE STREET, ETC. HE GOT A TON OF REJECTION BUT ALSO ACCUMULATED WELL OVER 200 ACTIVE NUMBERS AND USUALLY HAD 1-3 DATES PER WEEK, MANY OF THEM PHYSICAL. THE LOOKS OF HIS GALS RANGED FROM FAIRLY UGLY TO MODEL HOT. THERE WERE LOTS OF 5-7S AND MOST WERE BETWEEN AGED BETWEEN 20-27.
E. AVERAGE HEIGHT AND LOOKS, WELL BUILT, EARLY 40S TEACHER: STAYED FOR SEVERAL YEARS BUT SPEAKS NO CHINESE. FEELS TOO OLD TO APPROACH THE LOCALS. ONLY DATES DOMESTIC HELPERS FROM THE PHILIPPINES IN THEIR 30S.
F. AVERAGE HEIGHT, SLIM BUILD AND OK LOOKS, MID 20S, EXCHANGE STUDENT FROM FRANCE: HERE FOR JUST 3 MONTHS SO FAR, NO CHINESE, FREQUENTLY PICKS-UP GALS FROM THE LOCAL CLUBS AND HIS UNIVERSITY, AT LEAST 12 TAKE HOMES SO FAR. IT SEEMS LIKE A PIECE OF CAKE FOR HIM.
BOTTOM LINE. TAIWAN HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TURN A DUD INTO A STUD, PROVIDE A LONELY GUY WITH A QUALITY PARTNER, OR JUST CREATE MORE SEXUAL FRUSTRATION AND LONELINESS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON YOUR LUCK, HOW PROACTIVE YOU ARE, AND HOW WELL YOU GENERALLY CLICK WITH THIS PLACE.
I BET THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR MANY OTHER LOW PROFILE COUNTRIES AS WELL, MOST OF WHICH ARE PROBABLY NOT ON THE MAIN DATING/MARRIAGE OR PROSTITUTION CIRCUIT.
Perhaps, but despite all the factors and strategies, the bottom line is that it simply does NOT FEEL comfortable approaching women in Taiwan. In fact it feels very INAPPROPRIATE and I know it is not my imagination.
PERHAPS LOCAL GIRLS GIVE FOREIGNERS MORE LEEWAY ON THIS AND ASSUME WE ARE NATURALLY MORE AGGRESSIVE SOCIALLY. BUT ANYWAY, RESULTS HERE (NUMBERS, DATES, AND EVENTUAL INTIMACY WITH LOCAL GIRLS YOU ARE ATTRACTED TO) OFTEN REQUIRE YOU TO EXIT YOUR COMFORT ZONE. APPROACH AS MANY GIRLS AS YOU LIKE IN AN APPROPRIATE, POLITE, AND SINCERE WAY. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T BLOCK THEIR PATH OR TOUCH THEM, THE WORST THING THAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS A POLITE REFUSAL.
Yes Taipei has more opportunities to meet people. But it has the same vibe in terms of closed exteriors, lack of eye contact, smiles, etc. People tend to be in a rush to get somewhere like in a Western big city, and girls do not smile or make eye contact.
THERE ARE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF WAYS TO DEAL WITH THE BUSY URBAN VIBE. ONE IS THE SHOTGUN APPROACH USED BY THE AFRICAN / JAPANESE PICK-UP TEAM IN JAPAN WE SAW FROM THE RECENT VIDEO. THIS METHOD YIELDS A LOT OF APPROACHES IN A SHORT TIME BUT THE REJECTION RATE IS VERY HIGH TOO. THE OTHER WAY IS TO TARGET GIRLS BASED ON THEIR BODY LANGUAGE AND ACTIVITY. FOR EXAMPLE GO TO VENUES WERE PEOPLE ARE IN LESS OF A HURRY (BOOKSTORES, ENTERTAINMENT AREAS) AND LOOK FOR SINGLE GIRLS WHO WALK SLOWLY IN A RELAXED WAY OR CASUALLY WINDOW SHOP. IF YOU ARE SMOOTH ENOUGH AND CHOOSE YOUR TARGETS WELL, REJECTION RATE FOR THIS METHOD GOES DOWN CONSIDERABLY. USUALLY, YOU JUST WANT TO BUILD A BIT OF RAPPORT, GAUGE HER INTEREST, EXCHANGE DIGITS AND EMAIL, AND END WITH A VAGUE COMMENT ABOUT GETTING IN TOUCH ANOTHER DAY. THE FOLLOW-UP IS A NEW GAME.
Yeah I can stop girls occasionally to ask directions and try to work up a conversation, it's possible, but it still feels like it's AGAINST the flow and not a normal thing.
SO WHAT. DOES THAT REALLY BOTHER YOU SO MUCH? IS IT SO IMPORTANT TO GO WITH THE FLOW AND BE NORMAL? SOMETIMES BY STANDING OUT, YOU MAKE A STRONG IMPRESSION, OFTEN BAD BUT SOMETIMES VERY GOOD TOO. THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO ALWAYS BE INVISIBLE OR EASILY FORGOTTEN. BEING DIFFERENT CAN MAKE YOU SPECIAL. I THOUGHT YOU PRIDED YOURSELF FOR BEING SO DIFFERENT, SO NON-CONFORMIST.
It's all about the feel. If you don't have the feel of the wave, you're not going to do that well. It's true in sports too. If you don't have a good feel of the ball in the game, you can't play well.
YES, THAT'S WHY PRACTICE IS SO IMPORTANT. YOU CAN DEVELOP A GOOD FEEL THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR AND EVENTUALLY REACH YOUR FULL POTENTIAL HERE WHATEVER IT IS. MAYBE YOU WILL FIND OUT YOU ARE NOT SO GOOD AT THIS PARTICULAR SPORT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEVER GAVE IT A FULL SHOT. HOW MANY GIRLS HAVE YOU APPROACHED IN TAIPEI AS AN ADULT? HAVE YOU EVER WINGED WITH AN AGGRESSIVE OR SUCCESSFUL FRIEND HERE? YOU CAN LEARN A LOT AND LET GO OF INHIBITIONS JUST BY WATCHING OTHER GUYS WHO HAVE BALLS OPERATE.
And that's the deeper problem.
THE COMFORT ZONE IS EASY. THE LEARNING CURVE IS PAINFUL. BUT TAIWAN IS NOT THE USA SO THERE IS A PAYOFF TOO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BAD ASS, RICH AND FAMOUS, OR VERY HANDSOME TO ACHIEVE REASONABLE SUCCESS WITH ATTRACTIVE GIRLS HERE.
One thing is for sure. You certainly can't approach girls in Taiwan like in Russia. That I'd bet a million dollars on.
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN - THAT YOU CAN'T GO UP TO ANY GIRL ON THE STREET OR THAT THEY WILL RESPOND DIFFERENTLY? I AGREE THAT THE GENERAL RANGE OF RESPONSES WILL BE DIFFERENT. BUT AS I SAID, YOU CAN APPROACH MOST SINGLE GIRLS OR EVEN GIRLS IN GROUPS AS LONG AS YOU ARE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL. IF ANYONE ASKS WHAT YOU ARE DOING, JUST BE DIRECT. SAY THAT SHE LOOKS LIKE A VERY INTERESTING PERSON AND YOU WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO KNOW HER A BIT BETTER. IF SHE SAYS NO, THEN MOVE ON. IF JIMMY (A BOYFRIEND) SUDDENLY APPEARS, JUST APOLOGIZE BRIEFLY, TELL THE GUY HES LUCK, AND MAKE A QUIET EXIT. THIS AIN'T SAUDI ARABIA. ATTRACTIVE GIRLS AND NOT SO ATTRACTIVE GIRLS DO GET HIT ON HERE. THEY CALL IT 'DA SAN' AND MANY TAKE IT AS A COMPLIMENT EVEN IF THEY PRETEND NOT TO. NOW HAVING SAID ALL THAT, YOU NEED TO GAUGE YOURSELF RELATIVE TO THE GIRL. IF YOU APPROACH A SMOKING HOT 18 YEAR OLD MODEL TYPE WHO IS DRESSED FASHIONABLY AND YOU ARE NOT OF VERY DECENT CALIBER YOURSELF OR MUCH OLDER, SHE MAY STILL BE POLITE. BUT SHE WON'T REALLY TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. AT BEST, YOU MIGHT GET A NEW FRIEND UNLESS YOU HAVE 'LOTTERY WINNING' LUCK.
I have Taiwanese relatives in Taipei and they do not say that Taipei girls are more open and approachable. They all say that to meet girls you have to be introduced by mutual friends, or join an organization, class, or activity. (which there aren't that many of anyway since everyone is so busy working). Only foreigners and some abc's claim that Taiwanese girls are approachable and easy to chat up. Local Taiwanese guys do not usually say that at all.
MANY OF MY TAIWANESE CLASSMATES AT UNIVERSITY IN THE STATES TOLD ME A SIMILAR THING. THEY SAID I WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE LUCK MEETING TAIWANESE WHO STUDY AT MY SCHOOL IN THE US BECAUSE THE ONES IN TAIWAN ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO FOREIGNERS AND ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE. BOY WERE THEY WRONG. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE TRADITIONAL SET ROLLS, VERY TYPICAL OF GRADUATE LEVEL TAIWANESE STUDENT THINKING IN THE USA. TAIPEI, ON THE OTHER HAND, HAS MANY ALTERNATIVE, OPEN, AND MODERN TYPES TOO. THERE IS A THRIVING LOCAL GAY COMMUNITY HERE AND SOME STRAIGHT FOREIGNERS BECOME PLATONIC FRIENDS WITH THESE GUYS AND AS A BENEFIT GET ACCESS TO THEIR OFTEN HOT FEMALE FRIENDS. AND AS FOR THE MORE CONSERVATIVE TYPES OF GIRLS, THEY CAN SURPRISE YOU SOMETIMES. I REMEMBER APPROACHING ONE OF THESE TYPES WHO TOLD ME THAT PEOPLE IN TAIWAN DON'T MAKE FRIENDS WITH STRANGERS. BUT SHE TOOK MY TELEPHONE NUMBER ANYWAY AND A FEW DAYS LATER STARTED TEXTING ME. THAT IN TURN DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING.
Yeah the girls in Taipei may be more knowledgeable about pop culture. But that doesn't make them more open in terms of an exterior of openness, smiling, making eye contact, etc. No way. Even user name gits on this forum made a video of Taipei and in his video, you can see that no one is making eye contact with anyone. It's not normal to do so. Gits admits this too, yet he claims he can approach girls in Taiwan the same way I do in Russia. Go figure.
EYE CONTACT AND SMILING ARE NOT THE END ALL BE ALL. IF I WANT SMILES, I CAN GO TO THAILAND. IF I WANT LOTS OF COFFEE DATES AND INNOCENT FLIRTING, MAYBE I CAN GET THAT IN RUSSIA. BUT HOW MANY OF THESE GIRLS WILL REALLY GIVE IN RETURN - INTIMACY OR AT LEAST SINCERE NO STRINGS ATTACHED LONG TERM FRIENDSHIP WITH NO MONETARY EXPECTATIONS FROM THEM, THEIR FAMILY OR THEIR FRIENDS? SOMETIMES SHY AND RESERVED PEOPLE CAN ALSO BE THE MOST SINCERE AND GIVING IN THE LONGER RUN. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE SEEKING. FROM WHAT I'VE READ ON YOUR SITE, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THOSE OPEN AND EXPRESSIVE RUSSIAN HOTTIES YOU APPROACHED ENDED UP PLAYING AND DITCHING YOU.
Bottom line is that Taiwan does not have the kind of social energy that exists in Europe that makes you feel like meeting girls is part of the flow. Definitely not. That kind of social energy isn't there. Not even in Taipei.
I LIVED IN WESTERN EUROPE FOR 2.5 YEARS AS A YOUNG MAN. ADMITTEDLY, I WAS SHY AND HAD NO GAME. BUT ZERO DATES IS A PRETTY PATHETIC SHOWING. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING MAGICAL THERE. IT WAS MORE LIKE 'USA-PART 2'
Someday I will upload my videos of Krakow Poland and you will see what I mean. There was definitely a social energy there where chatting up a girl was like riding WITH the waves, not against it.
OK, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO EASTERN EUROPE. I'M SURE I WOULD FIND MANY OF THE GIRLS THERE ATTRACTIVE. I NEED TO RESEARCH THAT AREA MORE AND PERHAPS GET MY ASS OVER THERE.
That kind of energy is simply absent in Taiwan or Japan, regardless of what anyone claims. And that's why in a lot of ways Taiwan feels like the US, with a similar "mind your own business, keep to yourself" vibe.
IF I JUST EVALUATE END RESULTS, THE US AND TAIWAN COULD NOT BE MORE DIFFERENT FOR ME. I GOT MORE FEMALE ATTENTION AND ACTION FROM 1-2 MONTHS IN TAIWAN THAN DURING MY ENTIRE 8 YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE IN THE US.
As for me, my style is that I have to connect people on their exterior before I can connect with them on their interior. With the cold strict Taiwanese exterior, my exterior cannot connect since I need a warm exterior from them before connecting with the interior. It's hard to explain in words what I mean. Basically, even if a girl has a warm interior, it's hard to even talk to her if she has a cold exterior. It's very weird.
YES, CLICKING AND CONNECTING DEPEND A LOT ON BOTH PARTIES. A TOPIC I SOMETIMES ENGAGE GIRLS HERE ABOUT WHEN I FIRST MEET THEM IS THEIR ASTROLOGY SIGN. FROM EXPERIENCE, I'VE FOUND MYSELF TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH SOME SIGNS THAN OTHERS. FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE HAD A LOT OF DISAPPOINTMENTS WITH AQUARIUS GIRLS, CONNECT VERY QUICKLY AND WELL WITH VIRGOS, AND HAVE FOUND CANCER AND TAURUS GIRLS TO BE VERY SINCERE WITH ME. SCORPIO IS GOOD TOO AS LONG AS YOU ARE SERIOUS BUT IF YOU HURT THEM, THEY CAN HURT YOU BACK.
It's very frustrating though being in a country where it feels strongly illegal and inappropriate to approach a girl you like. It's also infuriating and a huge let down. There are many hot girls in Taiwan with smooth delicate skin and feminine bodies and voices, that's for sure. That's what makes it worse.
I KNOW, YOU JUST NEED TO THICKEN YOUR SKIN AND ACCEPT REJECTION AS PART OF THE PROCESS. PERHAPS YOU WILL HAVE TO APPROACH A LARGE NUMBER BEFORE YOU GET ANY RESULTS.
I know one white guy who has lived here for ten years and speaks good Chinese. He lives in Taipei like you Rock, and works for a law firm. He even came to Angeles City for a while to start a bubble tea business, but his Filipina girlfriend and her family took advantage of him and forced him to quit his business and lose his investment. Anyway, he even admits to me that Taiwanese girls in Taipei do not like talking to strangers and that you have to join a group event or activity to meet them usually.
This guy works in a law firm too, and it decent looking. But he is a serious type and does not seem to be a PUA guy or cold approacher type at all. Very few western guys have the guts to cold approach a woman usually, even in Taiwan. But the thing is, he is white and he does not claim that Taiwanese girls are easy to meet by cold approaches. So not all white guys make this claim. Only some do.
I REALIZE THAT BOTH OF US ARE PERHAPS ON THE OLD SIDE FOR TAIWAN GAME. BUT NEVER MIND THAT. IF YOU LIKE, WE CAN MEET SOMETIME, PERHAPS IN TAICHUNG, TO DO APPROACHES AND MAKE SOME NEW FRIENDS. WHEN I APPROACH GIRLS, I DO FEEL NERVOUS. BUT THAT USUALLY DOESN'T STOP ME.
SOME WESTERN GUYS COLD APPROACH HERE, OTHERS DON'T: DIFFERENT GUYS + DIFFERENT MOTIVATIONS + DIFFERENT ACTIONS = DIFFERENT RESULTS. I'VE KNOW A FAIR NUMBER OF WHITE GUYS HERE, CO-WORKERS, FLAT MATES, FRIENDS, FRIENDS OF FRIENDS, ETC. HERE'S A BASIC PROFILE OF A FEW THAT COME TO MIND:
A: SHORT BUT GOOD LOOKING MID 30S STUDENT OF CHINESE. STAYED FOR A YEAR AND DATED OVER 15 LOCAL GIRLS AND A COUPLE OF ABCS. MANY WERE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO HOT BY MOST PEOPLE'S STANDARDS.
B: BALDING LATE 20S AVERAGE HEIGHT AVERAGE LOOKING FINANCE PROFESSIONAL: STAYED FOR 3 YEARS. DID NOT APPROACH OR DATE GIRLS HERE IN SPITE OF GOOD CHINESE. EVENTUALLY MET A LOCAL 36 YEAR OLD WEALTHY CAREER WOMAN AND DATED HER SERIOUSLY FOR OVER A YEAR.
C: SHORT, BELOW AVERAGE LOOKING, MID 30S EDITOR AT LOCAL COMPANY: CAME FROM ENGLAND TO LIVE WITH VERY ATTRACTIVE, SEXY AND TALL 22 YEAR OLD LOCAL GIRL HE MET ONLINE. ENGAGED TO HER AFTER 18 MONTHS AND...HOPEFULLY LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER.
D. SHORT AVERAGE TO BELOW AVERAGE LOOKING MID 30S BROKERAGE ASSISTANT: STAYED FOR 6 YEARS. LEARNED GREAT CHINESE. BECAME A VERY AGGRESSIVE AT APPROACHING WOMEN HERE ON THE INTERNET, MRT, CLUBS, ON THE STREET, ETC. HE GOT A TON OF REJECTION BUT ALSO ACCUMULATED WELL OVER 200 ACTIVE NUMBERS AND USUALLY HAD 1-3 DATES PER WEEK, MANY OF THEM PHYSICAL. THE LOOKS OF HIS GALS RANGED FROM FAIRLY UGLY TO MODEL HOT. THERE WERE LOTS OF 5-7S AND MOST WERE BETWEEN AGED BETWEEN 20-27.
E. AVERAGE HEIGHT AND LOOKS, WELL BUILT, EARLY 40S TEACHER: STAYED FOR SEVERAL YEARS BUT SPEAKS NO CHINESE. FEELS TOO OLD TO APPROACH THE LOCALS. ONLY DATES DOMESTIC HELPERS FROM THE PHILIPPINES IN THEIR 30S.
F. AVERAGE HEIGHT, SLIM BUILD AND OK LOOKS, MID 20S, EXCHANGE STUDENT FROM FRANCE: HERE FOR JUST 3 MONTHS SO FAR, NO CHINESE, FREQUENTLY PICKS-UP GALS FROM THE LOCAL CLUBS AND HIS UNIVERSITY, AT LEAST 12 TAKE HOMES SO FAR. IT SEEMS LIKE A PIECE OF CAKE FOR HIM.
BOTTOM LINE. TAIWAN HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TURN A DUD INTO A STUD, PROVIDE A LONELY GUY WITH A QUALITY PARTNER, OR JUST CREATE MORE SEXUAL FRUSTRATION AND LONELINESS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON YOUR LUCK, HOW PROACTIVE YOU ARE, AND HOW WELL YOU GENERALLY CLICK WITH THIS PLACE.
I BET THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR MANY OTHER LOW PROFILE COUNTRIES AS WELL, MOST OF WHICH ARE PROBABLY NOT ON THE MAIN DATING/MARRIAGE OR PROSTITUTION CIRCUIT.