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Chat with hot TW girl who likes tall white guys

Postby Winston » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:31 pm

Guys, check this out. I IMed this hot TW girl I found on Tealit last year. She immediately blew me off when I said I was only 5ft 7 and stopped talking to me. So this year I IM her again and played along with her, pretending that I was tall and white and seeing how she would treat me instead, as an experiment. The results were astounding. She acted like one of those girls I met on Cherry Blossoms who are so easy to talk to, impress and flirt with. Holding a conversation with her became as easy as pie, once she thought I was her type. Unbelievable what a difference race makes. I guess it's all about who you are, not what you say or your talking skills. Have a look at the whole chat below.

Note: I used the "Replace All" feature in Notepad to edit out the numbers in her MSN screen name to keep it confidential, leaving the bare first name only.


wwu777us: hi natalie how are you
natalie: hi
natalie: where are you from?
wwu777us: america
wwu777us: are you in taiwan
natalie: yes
wwu777us: are you on msn?
natalie: andyou?
wwu777us: what city?
natalie: Tainan
natalie: and you?
wwu777us: I'm from california, but visiting taiwan.
wwu777us: do you like white guys or asian guys?
natalie: white guys
natalie: where do you live in Taiwan now?
wwu777us: in taichung.
wwu777us: you ever go there?
natalie: sometimes
wwu777us: where do you work now?
natalie: Tainan
natalie: what is your job?
wwu777us: I mean what do you do?
natalie: sales assistant
natalie: sorry,my english very poor
natalie: how old are you?
wwu777us: I am an international business consultant.
wwu777us: 31. and you?
wwu777us: why didn't you get married yet? many white guys in taiwan right?
natalie: no
natalie: why didn't you get married yet?
wwu777us: I didn't feel like it.
wwu777us: why didn't you?
wwu777us: are you one of those super picky girls? hehehe
natalie: didn't meet the Mr. right
natalie: you don't want to get married?
wwu777us: there are many whites in taiwan
wwu777us: maybe, if I meet a great woman I might.
natalie: not so many whites in Taiwan
wwu777us: do you go to clubs on weekends?
natalie: no
wwu777us: there are many in clubs in taipei and taichung.
natalie: I know
natalie: but they only want sex
wwu777us: how old are you
natalie: they don't want relationship and married
wwu777us: I'm sure they want love too, not just sex.
natalie: 31
wwu777us: why do you not like taiwanese guys? what's wrong with them?
natalie: don't you want love?
wwu777us: they are handsome right?
wwu777us: sure I do.
wwu777us: if she's worth loving that is.
natalie: taiwanese guys not handsome than whites guys
wwu777us: wha tabout the hot taiwanese guys in the magazines? there are many in taipei.
natalie: taiwanese guys not tall like whites guys
wwu777us: aren't there any tall TW guys?
natalie: yes
natalie: how tall are you?
wwu777us: 5ft 10
wwu777us: and you?
natalie: 5'10?how much in cm?
natalie: I am 172cm
wwu777us: are you on msn?
wwu777us: yahoo and msn can still connect?
natalie: yes
natalie: give me your msn
wwu777us: 5ft 10 is about 175cm I think but I don't remember. we use inches and feet in america.
wwu777us: my msn is the same as this one.
natalie: wwu777us@hotmail.com
natalie: ??
wwu777us: @yahoo.com
wwu777us: do you have a webcam?
natalie: yes
wwu777us: do you work in a store? selling clothes?
natalie: and you?
natalie: what is your msn?
wwu777us: not on this computer.
wwu777us: my msn is the same as this one: wwu777us@yahoo.com
wwu777us: yahoo and msn work together with each other's email addresses.
natalie: how did you find me?
wwu777us: from tealit I think.
natalie: did you meet many girls from internet?
wwu777us: you must have many admirers.
wwu777us: you look tall like snow white.hehehe
wwu777us: not really. I don't usually write girls. but when I saw you, I was hypnotized and stunned...
natalie: why?
wwu777us: what is there to do in your city?
wwu777us: cause you look very elegant, feminine and high class...
wwu777us: do your parents mind if you date white guys?
natalie: they don't mind
wwu777us: your parents are not old fashioned?
wwu777us: what do you do in your spare time?
natalie: they wish I can married to white guys too
natalie: be a lazy women
natalie: ha ha
wwu777us: are the clubs in tainan cool? any foreigners there?
natalie: they are not old fashioned
wwu777us: why don't your parents want you to marry taiwanese guys?
wwu777us: your english is so good.
natalie: will have mix -kids will be very pretty and smart
natalie: my english very poor
natalie: you just don't know how bad about my english
natalie: can I see your pictures?
wwu777us: at least you can type in english
wwu777us: yeah mixed kids are cute
wwu777us: what do you do in your spare time?
natalie: I love mixed kids so much
wwu777us: ever been to america
natalie: be a lazy women in my spare time
natalie: never
wwu777us: lol you lazy princess
natalie: so you because job come to taiwan for company?
wwu777us: if I had a woman as lovely as you, I'd spoil her and make her a princess :)
wwu777us: yes, partly.
natalie: so you live in taichung city?
natalie: company pay the aparment for you?
wwu777us: have you ever been abroad?
wwu777us: yes and yes
natalie: yes
wwu777us: what type of guy are you looking for?
natalie: japan and korea and bali lsland
natalie: tall and sweet and will support at all for me after married
wwu777us: you mean you don't want to work, just stay home and shop and spend your husband's money? wow.
natalie: yes
natalie: I want to that kind of women
wwu777us: TW girls have changed and become spoiled. it's true what my friends say. lol
wwu777us: but almost all TW women want that now.
wwu777us: what will you give in return for that kind of life?
natalie: I know this idea will scared many guys and stop to know me more
wwu777us: well at least you are honest. that is good.
wwu777us: I am honest too. I like tall girls who look elegant and beautiful, like you.
wwu777us: what would happen if you told a Taiwanese guy that?
natalie: I am tried work for boss ,I want work for my family ,my husband ,my kids
natalie: my dream is to be a house wife only
natalie: that's all
wwu777us: and travel and shop right?
wwu777us: is that the wish of most Taiwanese girls nowadays?
natalie: you still working?
wwu777us: yes
natalie: still working?at office?
natalie: poor you
wwu777us: not now. I'm off and relaxing and writing some emails.
natalie: at home?
wwu777us: yes
natalie: how long do you live in Taiwan?
wwu777us: do you still write back to emails from tealit? do you get many responses there?
wwu777us: about three weeks.
wwu777us: do you play any sports or exercise?
natalie: no
natalie: ha ha
natalie: you have many questions
wwu777us: well that's the only way to get to know you.
wwu777us: are the clubs in tainan cool? any foreigners there?
natalie: yes
natalie: but not so cool like taipei and taichung
natalie: can you sent your pictures to me?
natalie: are you asian guy?
wwu777us: pictures? sure. they are in my memory stick though. hold on.
wwu777us: no I am white.
natalie: do you like asian women or white women or black women?
wwu777us: do you have any new pics?
natalie: how many girlfriend been you have?
wwu777us: I like asian women and white sometimes too, but mostly asian now :)
wwu777us: after coming to asia a lot, I think asian women are more feminine and beautiful.
wwu777us: you meanin the past?
natalie: after you sent to me,I will sent you some new pictures about me
natalie: yes, the past
natalie: but asian women almost like to be hoursewife like me,do you know that?
wwu777us: not many. just two. and you?
natalie: 3
wwu777us: yes I do.
wwu777us: I like asian women as long as they are feminine and not too controlling. hehehe
natalie: good
natalie: I am waiting for your pictures
wwu777us: hold on I'm looking for my memory stick still.
natalie: i-)
wwu777us: hold on
wwu777us: I like how impatient you are. so cute.
natalie: impatient feel cute?
natalie: do you have more others pictures?
wwu777us: yeah when you are impatient.
wwu777us: yes I do. but they are on other memory sticks.
wwu777us: can you send your new pics now?
natalie: many guys don't like women impatient
wwu777us: I mean besides the tealit ones.
wwu777us: I don't like either, but if it's for waiting for me online, that's cute. hehehe
natalie: did you go to pub in taiwan?
wwu777us: I've seen thatone before. it's in your tealit profile.
wwu777us: yes sometimes.
wwu777us: and you?
natalie: sometimes
natalie: but now I don't go
natalie: anymore
natalie: I don't go anymore
wwu777us: why not?
natalie: so you don't want that pictures?
wwu777us: I've already seen that picture of you. it's in your tealit profile.
wwu777us: any new ones?
natalie: I am old and I don't want sex only
wwu777us: you are not old. you look very young.
wwu777us: were your boyfriends before white or asian?
wwu777us: chinese girls age much better than white girls.
natalie: ex all are asian
natalie: you seems busy
wwu777us: oh so you never had a white boyfriend?
wwu777us: do you miss your exes?
natalie: sometimes
natalie: and you?
wwu777us: I'm never too busy for you.
wwu777us: wow very beautiful
natalie: thanks
wwu777us: do you have facebook
natalie: yes
wwu777us: can you speak taiwanese too? or just mandarin?
natalie: taiwanese and mandarin and japanese
natalie: my japanese good than english
natalie: are you popular in pub?
wwu777us: wow you are smart
wwu777us: popular? sometimes.
wwu777us: do you like popular guys?
natalie: no
natalie: popular guys will unfaithful easy
natalie: it will make me feel unsafe in relationship always,it feels too tired
natalie: I want a simple relationship
natalie: so when you go to pub,always have girls come to flirt with you?
wwu777us: true. you don't like unfaithful? are you faithful?
wwu777us: sometimes, yeah. it depends on what night though.
natalie: of course I am faithful
wwu777us: but the ones who are aggressive are not very good quality girls.
natalie: are you faithful?
wwu777us: yes but it depends on how good the relationship is.
wwu777us: I think though, that if a man had a woman like you, he'd never need to look anywhere else :)
natalie: ha ha
natalie: thanks
wwu777us: what do you like to do on a first date?
natalie: like me impatient and lazy and only want spend husband money to shopping only?
wwu777us: if I fell in love with you, sure, why not?
natalie: I don't know,it depends on guys how to plan it,I don't have ideas
wwu777us: you are beautiful enough to deserve it...
natalie: thanks
wwu777us: are there any romantic places in tainan?
natalie: you must tired today,so you said those good to me
natalie: tainan is a boring city,ha ha
wwu777us: a little tired yes, but I'm just saying what I feel and think.
wwu777us: is there a beach near you?
natalie: tired make you said sweet but not truth to me
natalie: ha ha
natalie: yes
natalie: do you live alone?
wwu777us: haha. maybe being tired makes me feel more "dreamy"...
natalie: can you sent more pictures to me tomorrow?
wwu777us: most of the time I do, yeah. and you? do you live with family or alone?
natalie: yes,you are right,you are tired and feel more dreamy
natalie: I live with family until I get married
wwu777us: yes I will try, when I can get my laptop and accessories organized.
wwu777us: good idea. save money.
natalie: ha ha
natalie: not at all
wwu777us: how sisters or brothers?
natalie: asian people always live with family until get marriage
wwu777us: well you don't have to pay rent if you're with family, so you save money.haha
wwu777us: yeah I know.
natalie: 1 young brother only
natalie: I am poor
natalie: my paid all give my mother
wwu777us: you look like you're from a rich family. your skin and face.
natalie: no,I from a normal family
wwu777us: do you have big house with big screen TV, etc?
natalie: NO
natalie: I am poor women
natalie: you think too much
wwu777us: and swimming pool too?
natalie: you really tired
wwu777us: but you look like a princess.. from a castle...
natalie: you do tired
natalie: ha ha
natalie: you dream too much
natalie: are you drunk?
wwu777us: not tired. I just dream of you when I see your face... so lovely...
natalie: are you drunk?
wwu777us: no not drunk. haha. just feeling a little "crush" hahaha
natalie: did you add me to your msn?
natalie: add my msn
wwu777us: I'm not on msn yet. I'm on yahoo. it's the same thing.
wwu777us: I hope our first date will be a romantic one. hahaha
natalie: you do drunk
wwu777us: not drunk. just have a little crush...
wwu777us: what is your chinese name?
natalie: drunk just a joke,ok?
wwu777us: ok lol
natalie: chang chi
wwu777us: do you have any pictures of you in a sexy dress or swimsuit?
natalie: how many girls did you meet from internet?
wwu777us: not many
wwu777us: don't worry I'm not a playboy or anything.
wwu777us: did you go to college?
natalie: yes
natalie: why?
natalie: guess which one is me?
wwu777us: just curious.
wwu777us: when I see your face, I forget everything around me and whatever I was doing before...
natalie: how long will you stay in Taiwan?
natalie: ha ha
natalie: you said many sweet talking to me tonight
natalie: thanks
wwu777us: the girl on the right of course, in black. not that hard to guess. haha
wwu777us: wow your face is like a precious flower...
wwu777us: about three weeks this time.
wwu777us: I come here from time to time.
natalie: thank you said so much sweet talk to me
wwu777us: is that girl in the dress your friend? at a wedding?
natalie: yes
wwu777us: I hope it made you blush...
natalie: ha ha
natalie: I will not blush
natalie: I know how pretty am I,ha ha....
wwu777us: I like blushing and giggling. it's so feminine.
wwu777us: hard to find that in america anymore.
wwu777us: you have a classic chinese beauty...
natalie: I know how pretty am I but when I in relationship I still will worry boyfriend will unfaithful......
natalie: thanks
wwu777us: why? were your other boyfriends unfaithful before?
wwu777us: are you very jealous and possessive?
natalie: even in china town the same hard to find like me have classic chinese beauty women??
natalie: yes,I am very possessive and sometimes jealous and sticky always
natalie: always sticky like kids to mother
wwu777us: do your parents own a business? or do they work for a company?
natalie: are you scared?do you think leave me alone now?
natalie: they work for company
wwu777us: well I don't know. I've only been to china town a few times. the women there are not usually single.
natalie: how about your parents?how many sisters and brothers do you have?when is your birthday?what is your blood type?
wwu777us: you would be cute if you were jealous...
natalie: do you live alone in USA?are you rent house or you own housre?
wwu777us: if I had a woman like you, my life would be like a dream come true... hehehe
wwu777us: scared? I'm only scared that you may steal my heart. hahaha
natalie: ha ha
wwu777us: I am an only child. no brothers or sisters. my birthday is march 10. and you? my blood type is O.
wwu777us: I own a house near san francisco. do you like california?
natalie: yes,you should to be careful,maybe I will steal your heart,ha ha.....
wwu777us: then you are very dangerous to a man's heart. haha
natalie: yes,I like california and san francisco,but never been to USA
wwu777us: do you have any relatives in america
natalie: I afraid go to west country,because my english very poor.........
wwu777us: there are many immigrants there. many chinese too. your english is fine.
wwu777us: maybe I can take you to the west someday.
wwu777us: what religion are you?
natalie: I have a cousin sister in New York,and a best friend in Indianapolis,but I never go to visit they
natalie: no religion,and you?
wwu777us: no religion
wwu777us: what does your cousin do in NY?
wwu777us: does she recommend you to go there?
natalie: when you date with girlfriend,will you pay the bill all the time?
wwu777us: are you good in cooking?
natalie: no
wwu777us: sure, why not?
natalie: and you?
wwu777us: don't you like that?
wwu777us: I'm so so in cooking.
wwu777us: can you cook western food?
natalie: some guys go dutch on date
wwu777us: do you prefer going dutch?
natalie: I can't cook,but I would like to learn for my kids and husband
natalie: of course I prefer boyfriend pay for me
wwu777us: why didn't your mom ever teach you?
wwu777us: did you learn english in a bu shi ban?
natalie: yes
wwu777us: have you met many guys from tealit?
wwu777us: did you get a lot of mail?
natalie: my mon want to teach me,but I don't like to learn now,I want to learn when I will get married
natalie: I met fews and got some mails
natalie: hey.....sweet guy,I need go to bed
natalie: tomorrow need to work the shit job.......
natalie: everyday need to work the shit job......:(
wwu777us: you didn't like the guys who wrote you?
wwu777us: so you hate your job? it's shit. well I hope to rescue you from your job, and make you my princess...
wwu777us: ok goodnight. let's chat next time.
wwu777us: :x
natalie: sweet guy,you said too much sweet talk to me,I will miss you,ha ha......you win~~
wwu777us: thanks. me too. I will dream of you :)
natalie: do you online everyday?
wwu777us: sometimes. but if you are waiting for me, then I will be there for you :)
natalie: do you online when you working?
wwu777us: not when I'm working. but when I am checking email I go online sometimes. just leave me a message here.
natalie: what time you wake up everyday?
wwu777us: it depends on what I have to do. if I have a meeting or client, then I wake up early. but if not, then I sleep late and dream of my princess... hehehe
wwu777us: :)
natalie: can you add my msn to your yahoo messagner?
wwu777us: yes I already did.
natalie: but I can't see you on my msn
wwu777us: msn and ym share the same addresses now.
wwu777us: can you see me now?
wwu777us: I'm not invisible.
natalie: I can't see you on my msn
natalie: I can see you on my yahoo
wwu777us: ok let me open my msn later and try.
wwu777us: you always use msn?
natalie: yes
wwu777us: did you add me to your msn?
natalie: yes
natalie: www77us@yahoo.com
natalie: right?
wwu777us: I will dream of you :)
wwu777us: right
wwu777us: maybe msn is not compatible yet. there's a glitch.
natalie: you in msn is offline
natalie: sweet guy,I need go to bed
natalie: chat with you next time.......
natalie: don't dream of me too much
wwu777us: ok goodnight my sweet girl...
natalie: ha ha
wwu777us: I will dream of you...
wwu777us: ok lol
natalie: good night
wwu777us: goodnight :)
wwu777us: your face will be on my mind tomorrow :)
natalie: :)
wwu777us: ok I'm signing off now. take care. I will think of you :)
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Postby Winston » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:36 pm

Notice what she says here about what she is looking for.

wwu777us: what type of guy are you looking for?
natalie: japan and korea and bali lsland
natalie: tall and sweet and will support at all for me after married
wwu777us: you mean you don't want to work, just stay home and shop and spend your husband's money? wow.
natalie: yes
natalie: I want to that kind of women
wwu777us: TW girls have changed and become spoiled. it's true what my friends say. lol
wwu777us: but almost all TW women want that now.
wwu777us: what will you give in return for that kind of life?
natalie: I know this idea will scared many guys and stop to know me more
wwu777us: well at least you are honest. that is good.
wwu777us: I am honest too. I like tall girls who look elegant and beautiful, like you.
wwu777us: what would happen if you told a Taiwanese guy that?
natalie: I am tried work for boss ,I want work for my family ,my husband ,my kids
natalie: my dream is to be a house wife only
natalie: that's all


Is this the common attitude of TW girls nowadays? Momopi, do the women you date in TW have this attitude too?
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Postby Repatriate » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:31 pm

wwu777us: what type of guy are you looking for?
natalie: japan and korea and bali lsland
natalie: tall and sweet and will support at all for me after married
wwu777us: you mean you don't want to work, just stay home and shop and spend your husband's money? wow.
natalie: yes

This certainly sounds like a quality woman Winston! At least she's honest about her intentions.

I'm going to go ahead and say she sounds like one of those above average attractive girls in TW who burned through her native TW options early on in her life. Now she's single and in her "latter' years looking for a long term husband and still believes she can skate by in life on her looks alone.

Quite frankly a woman like this deserves to be pushed out the door with your boot and anyone stupid enough to fall for this deserves it.
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Postby Winston » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:08 pm

Repatriate wrote:
wwu777us: what type of guy are you looking for?
natalie: japan and korea and bali lsland
natalie: tall and sweet and will support at all for me after married
wwu777us: you mean you don't want to work, just stay home and shop and spend your husband's money? wow.
natalie: yes

This certainly sounds like a quality woman Winston! At least she's honest about her intentions.

I'm going to go ahead and say she sounds like one of those above average attractive girls in TW who burned through her native TW options early on in her life. Now she's single and in her "latter' years looking for a long term husband and still believes she can skate by in life on her looks alone.

Quite frankly a woman like this deserves to be pushed out the door with your boot and anyone stupid enough to fall for this deserves it.


Were you being sarcastic when you said she sounds like a quality woman?

Don't most women dream of being princesses? If I were a woman, I might think the same way.

Why is she still single at 31 if she's looking for marriage as she says? Cause she's too picky? Or hard to get along with? Or doesn't offer much and only takes?

Here is her picture by the way. She's very lovely as you can see.

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Postby ladislav » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:00 pm

Question to Ladislav:

When me and Rock were in Taichung, I met up with a Filipina I met on Tagged. When we met her though, she was kind of standoffish and not very engaging, with either of us. She brought along two friends since I told her I was bringing Rock. We all talked at McDonald's, since there was nowhere else to go in that drag little town of theirs (outside of Taichung). Rock and I were engaging and talked about a lot of things about our lives, this forum, my site, etc. I tried to look innocent, but Rock enjoyed spilling the beans and making us look like playboys for some reason. I guess he preferred total honesty and spilling the beans over tact. lol

The girls' body language was kind of standoffish though. They were not flirty and engaging in their talk and body language as the Filipinas in the Philippines are. Rock told me that in Hong Kong, the Filipinas he met working there did not seem very "easy" either. So he concluded that overseas Filipino workers aren't that easy.

Why is that? Is there a reason for that? Is it cause they are making money and so become less eager to date? Since they are treated like low class objects in Chinese countries, it can't be that these Filipinas have a lot of dating opportunities in Taiwan and have therefore become spoiled.

So what is the reason that they seem different than in the Philippines? Any idea?

(Btw Repatriate, before you jump on the critical gun again, remember that these girls were standoffish and platonic to Rock too, not just to me.)



These could be the reasons:

1) They could have been tense and tired from working hard and also from being in a foreign country where they are guests and foreigners and feel away from their families. I have noticed the same with some Filipinas in Kuwait- they act tense- they are under a lot of pressure, see.
2) They could just be a batch of conservative Filipinas- these are the ones that do not flirt with guys even in the Philippines- the church going, dour and shy types.

Most Filipinas do not feel good abroad in Asia. ME, etc.,unless they are in the USA- now this is where they bloom.

Also, many Filipinos, having by nature a very chameleonic culture are very adaptable and quickly pick up on the vibes they feel around them and start acting like the people around them. It is good for them and is a defense mechanism but it is not so good for men who want to date the Pinays abroad. It was amazing meeting Filipinas in Japan and they would act like Japanese women. The ones who go to the UK become subdued, stop smiling and just act like anal Brits- like they are constipated and trying to defecate- that kind of expression on their faces. One Filipina was in Thailand and she became friends with Thai girls, and once they were talking about me and calling me a "farang'! Can you imagine?

But not in all cases. I was in Singapore in 2002 and was just sitting on a bench talking on my cellphone and suddenly a Filipina girl - she looked like Latonya Jackson sat next to me and then two of her companions were giggling and saying in Tagalog- "hey, you are flirting with him already!" We all went out and had lunch together and took a long walk along Orchard Road speaking in Tagalog. And I met some very sweet and nice Pinays in the US who were not picking up on the vibes or trying to act nasty.

And then I was in Kuwait and Filipinas at the Internet cafe I was at were tense because Arabs would be walking in and trying to flirt with them. Then I went off into some small supermarket and some Filipina salesgirls there - not very attractive, mind you- were all over me and asking me if I wanted a girlfriend. So, it all depends.

I was also hanging out with some Filipinas in Oman and these were Muslim Filipinas from Mindanao and strangely enough they were very warm and inviting me to come to all the social activities and I went to their house and we all hung out and had a blast.

In the majority of cases, though, Filipinas are better to be dated on their home turf in their home town.

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Postby momopi » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:48 pm

Winston wrote:Is this the common attitude of TW girls nowadays? Momopi, do the women you date in TW have this attitude too?


It's probably closer to the ideal house wife in 1970s-1980s, where the husband is the bread winner and the wife is expected to quit her job and become a home maker (house wife) after she gets married. Of course, this applied only to well-off or white-collar husbands who could afford such lifestyle. In Japan it's the stereotype salary-man husband marrying the OL (office lady) and she quits her job after marriage to pop babies at home.

In today's economy, it's much tougher for young couples to afford such lifestyle in cities like Taipei, Hong Kong, Seoul, Tokyo, etc. Housing in Taipei is very expensive and require dual income to afford. Also, many Taiwanese men have left for China, so there's a smaller pool of marriage-age Taiwanese men who makes decent $$ in TW.

Also, you guys need to understand that wages in TW are much lower than the US. The minimum monthly wage in TW is NT$17,280 (US$543.54). Foreign language teachers can make $1,500 USD/month teaching in Taiwan and there's some resentment from local teachers who make less. If the girl is not doing well and has few local prospects, marrying up/out is one of few options remaining for her. If she goes to China, she cannot compete against all the aggressive women there. If she stays in TW and work hard, it'd be very difficult to save enough $ to afford a house in Taipei.

Marriage minded women wants an idealistic life with a nice house, white picket fence, flower garden, yard for the kids to play in, and a loving husband who'd provide a good life for his family. IMO that's quite normal, but can be more costly than a spoiled Asian princess GF. A Ferragamo handbag might cost you $1k, but the white picket fence house is in the 6 to 7 digits. Pre-school for your kids? >$800/month per head.

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Anyhow, this discussion thread is a waste of time. You can sit here and blab until the cows come home, or go out and live your life.

I'm flying to Taiwan tonight, if anyone is in Taipei early next week (Mon/Tue) and want to meet up for snacks/lunch/dinner/drinks drop me a PM! After that it's off to Shenzhen to drink nasty hard liqueur and sing karaoke badly with factory boss. >_<
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Postby Winston » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:43 am

To the guys here who are critical of my looks:

You forget to consider something else. We've all heard the rule of thumb that the camera adds ten pounds do your weight. Well it's true. Therefore, in real life I look ten pounds lighter than what you see in the pics. Plus pics tend to distort most people's faces. Most people look better in person. I've taken thousands of pics of girls and I see the difference.

You should factor that and take it into account.


"I do like your contact sheets. It's so weird to think that you look like that after picturing my own image of you. It's all good though because you ended turning out to be a really cute guy. You should have trusted me to see your pictures a long time ago. I have a lot of school work to do so I'll talk to you later and umm.... good luck with those girls... heheheh just teasing you don't need luck you got the looks and personality that every girl wants." - Trista, Model and Cheerleader, to Winston
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Postby swincor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:24 pm

Winston wrote:
swincor__ wrote:Big deal. She was just being nice to you. What did you expect her to say, that you look like a taxi driver?

Boy, you are unbelievably gullilble and naive, Winston. No wonder you got taken to the cleaners in Russia. And the Philippines.

Newsflash, Winston: people generally aren't going to say the honest truth straight to your face, especially if they're asked to comment on your physical looks. It's amazing that you would latch on so desperately to the word of some model who happens to be polite enough to flatter you with empty compliments. She must have said the same thing to dozens of other horndogs who've asked her the same question about their looks.

And anyway, who cares what you looked like back then? What does your looks back then have to do with the fact that you look like a taxi driver now?


LOL I knew you were going to say that. You are so predictable. So when a girl says I'm unattractive, she's being honest, and when she says I'm attractive, she's just being polite?



No, the whole point is that her opinion about your physical looks doesn't matter.

You attach WAYYYY too much significance on what some girl says about you, Winston -- which says a lot about how you determine your self-worth.



lol Do I smell confirmation bias here?

You obviously don't read people well. If Trista was just being polite, she would have said "Nice pic" or something polite. I've talked to thousands of girls online and I know from experience what they say when they are just being polite. They do not use exclamation marks like Trista did. They do not say "I find you very attractive!" with an exclamation mark. That's not being polite.


Listen up, Winston: You. Can't. Tell.

You have NO way of knowing what women are thinking when they're saying nice things to your face. Who knows whether they're being sincere or not?

Honestly, Winston, you have to stop being so needy for female approval. You will not get an honest appraisal of yourself by listening to some woman tell you what you want to hear.



Being polite is saying "Nice pic" or "Cool" or something like that.

Sorry, but again, as a model Trista's opinion of my looks trumps yours.



Actually Winston, BECAUSE she's a model, her opinion is all the more suspect.

She has probably run into dozens of guys like you before who base their self-worth on the word of a very attractive woman. She knows very well that her prettiness easily captivates guys like you who will hang on to her every word as if it were golden, so she throws you a flattering compliment to cheer you up and make you feel good about yourself. BFD.



Yeah I'm more overweight now. But the point is, the natural symmetry and features of my face are not unattractive. They are decent looking.



Deluding yourself will not get you any more closer to the truth -- and neither will it improve your chances with the ladies, Winston.


As to my hair guys, I've tried every kind of style and it just doesn't hold. My hair is too coarse. All I can do is cut it really short like a buzz cut. No other style will hold, even with lots of gel and mousse. The hair just sticks outward like a punk rocker or porcupine needles. What can I do about that?
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Postby swincor » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:38 pm

Winston wrote:I am open to self improvement.



Yet another one of your exaggerated claims about yourself.

Actually Winston, you come across as very resistant to learning, or acting on new knowledge.
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Postby Repatriate » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:11 am

swincor__ wrote:
Actually Winston, BECAUSE she's a model, her opinion is all the more suspect.

She has probably run into dozens of guys like you before who base their self-worth on the word of a very attractive woman. She knows very well that her prettiness easily captivates guys like you who will hang on to her every word as if it were golden, so she throws you a flattering compliment to cheer you up and make you feel good about yourself. BFD.

Bingo. That's what friends do. Girls are especially attuned to a guy's own self esteem and confidence. If she has no intentions of ever sleeping with someone and has permanently placed him into the friend category then she'll be pretty supportive in this sense. Girls tell each other the same things all the time to make each other feel better. It's called having a shoulder to cry on and guess what..Winston is the cryer and she's the shoulder in this case.

It's all just window dressing and being pleasant.

On the other hand if a woman like this is out with her friends or alone and gets approached by a stranger in a different light she would shoot them down in a heartbeat and let him know right away that she thinks he isn't attractive. The truth comes out when real attraction is involved.
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:01 pm

Here is Rock's extensive trip report of our Taichung adventure. He posted it in another thread.

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9008

And here is the photo album we put together of me and some TW girls. Unfortunately, you will not see Rock in it, cause he prefers to remain anonymous.

http://picasaweb.google.com/11162763150 ... 7213753314
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:05 pm

Repatriate wrote:
swincor__ wrote:
Actually Winston, BECAUSE she's a model, her opinion is all the more suspect.

She has probably run into dozens of guys like you before who base their self-worth on the word of a very attractive woman. She knows very well that her prettiness easily captivates guys like you who will hang on to her every word as if it were golden, so she throws you a flattering compliment to cheer you up and make you feel good about yourself. BFD.

Bingo. That's what friends do. Girls are especially attuned to a guy's own self esteem and confidence. If she has no intentions of ever sleeping with someone and has permanently placed him into the friend category then she'll be pretty supportive in this sense. Girls tell each other the same things all the time to make each other feel better. It's called having a shoulder to cry on and guess what..Winston is the cryer and she's the shoulder in this case.

It's all just window dressing and being pleasant.

On the other hand if a woman like this is out with her friends or alone and gets approached by a stranger in a different light she would shoot them down in a heartbeat and let him know right away that she thinks he isn't attractive. The truth comes out when real attraction is involved.


That may be true, but wasn't what happened in this case. I did not cry on her shoulder. We were corresponding for a while. She became infatuated with me cause I was a "good talker" like she said and so she wanted to see what I looked like.

If she was just being nice, she would not have said "I find you very attractive!" with an exclamation mark of excitement. She would have said something like "You look alright. Not bad. Nice pic." etc. That's my experience.

Besides, those pictures of me are cute to some girls.

Stop rationalizing away what you don't want to believe.
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Postby Rock » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:03 pm

Winston wrote:She became infatuated with me cause I was a "good talker" like she said and so she wanted to see what I looked like.

If she was just being nice, she would not have said "I find you very attractive!" with an exclamation mark of excitement. She would have said something like "You look alright. Not bad. Nice pic." etc. That's my experience.


1. She's hot, right (a model)?

2. You dig hot girls like her and was hoping to be with one, right?

3. She was into your online personality and became infatuated with you B4 seeing your photo, right?

4. When you finally revealed your images, she found you very attractive, a deal sealer, right?

5. So, with all that going for you + her, did you meet her, seduce her, date her, and get physical with her? If it was a distance problem, did you seduce her over cam and phone and stay in touch long term?

If not, why??? It sounds like it was a done deal from the way you describe it all.
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Postby Grunt » Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:59 pm

If any man needs to default o "PUA" tactics, the area his is in is a write-off. When I lived in Brno, Czech Republic, I found the locals cold, hateful, and deeply resentful of...well....just about everything.

Conversely, when I lived in Kherson Ukraine the vibe was much more relaxed and I met nice girls every day, including my wife. It was a much more open and human place compared to Brno.

So in the end its more about the quality of the local vibe, not the tactics involved.
How to deal with newbies that talk much but do little.

Pics or it didn't happen.

YES/NO

Cool story, bro.

Problem solved.
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Postby Winston » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:10 am

Hi all,
I met a really cute Taiwanese girl from DateInAsia yesterday. She brought her friend of course. (Rock says it's called "bringing a teddy bear" in Taiwan, when a girl brings along a friend to meet a guy for the first time)

We had a good time and vibed well. She has a fun playful outgoing personality and spoke really good English, since she has a lot of foreign friends for practice. Her body language toward me was pretty positive too.

When we were at the night market, I was amazed at the way her and her friend kept acting shameful every time I paid for their snacks. In the Philippines that would NEVER EVER EVER happen! It was very refreshing and felt very validating to see so much consideration from girls like that. And it made me want to be even more generous. I even carried the backpack of one of them. They said "Wow you are so thoughtful and considerate" and I said "Nah, it's just basic manners. That's all."

When we were on the bus, we met another nice Taiwanese woman, and I got her number.

I guess when you are around the right people, things flow much more smoothly in Taiwan!
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