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Here is a very good (long read) of the path USA, UK, and Canada are headed.
It's filled with lots of embedded links.
Here is one excerpt but the whole thing is worth reading.
http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/ ... ubble.html
The Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation
We earlier examined how the Four Sirens of Feminism unexpectedly combined and provided women with choices they never could have dreamt of before. Some women made positive contributions to society, but quite a few let misandry and unrestrained greed consume them, and have caused the disastrous situation we presently see. Technology always causes disruption in the status quo, always creating new winners and losers with each wave. In centuries past, Gloria Steinem would be a governess and Mystery would be a court jester.
The title of this article is not the 'Misandry Crisis' or even 'The War on Misandry'. It is 'The Misandry Bubble', because the forces that will ensure the demise of the present mistreatment of men are already on the horizon. So allow me to introduce the Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation as a coalesence of many of the forces we have discussed, which will shred the present, unsustainable hierarchal order by 2020 :
1) The Venusian Arts : Learning the truth about how the female mind works is a precious and transcendant body of knowledge for any man. Whether he uses it to become a fully immersed pick-up artist, to create a soulmate bond in a lifelong monogamous marriage, or even to engage in only infrequent yet efficient trysts with women, a man is free from the crushing burdens that uninitiated beta men are capitulating under.
When a man learns that there is no reason for him to buy a $50,000 car, $20,000 ring, $50,000 bridezilla festival, overpriced house contrary to any logical financial analysis, or a divorce lawyer to save him from ruin even though he was the victim of spousal abuse, there is no greater feeling of liberation and jubilation, equating to a windfall of $2 Million for all objective and subjective purposes. When a man realizes that reducing his income by half will now have little detriment to his sexual prospects, he can downsize to an easier job with a shorter commute and lower stress. When a man learns that appeasing a woman is the exact opposite of what he should be doing during the process of romancing and seducing her, that entire humiliating gauntlet of rituals can be jettisoned.
The ecstasy of two or even three concurrent relationships with women of substantially above average beauty are quite attainable to a man who has scaled the summit, which further deprives the hapless betas (again, male attractiveness to women is zero-sum in a way that female attractiveness to men is not). Thus, while 80% of men have no intellectual capacity to grasp and master the Venusian Arts, if the number of solid practitioners even begins to approach 20%, multiple parasitic beasts, from female moochers to the tax-swilling state to the corrupt real-estate and divorce lawyer industries, can be effectively starved.
2) Adult Entertainment Technologies of 2020 : What of the 80% of men who cannot conceptualize the Venusian Arts? Won't they be condemned to live a life of frustration, humiliation, near-slavery, and occasional thoughts of suicide? Thankfully, these poor souls will experience a satisfactory release through technology, just like women did through technologies such as contraceptive pills, washing machines, and vacuum cleaners.
For a number of reasons, Internet pornography is substantially more addictive to the male brain than the VHS cassette or 'Skinimax' content of the 1990s. When yet another generation of technology diffuses into the market, the implications will be profound enough to tear the current sexual market asunder.
I have written in the past about how haptic, motion sensing, and graphical technologies would elevate video games to the premier form of entertainment by 2012. 3-D/holographic images with haptic interfaces and sufficient AI will make rudimentary 'virtual sex' a technology available to many men well before 2020, but by 2020 we will see this cross certain thresholds that lead to a dramatic market impact far greater than contraceptive pills and Internet pornography combined. A substantial portion of the male population will drift into addiction to virtual sex without even realizing it.
For those (mostly women) who claim that the VR sex of 2020 would not be a sufficient substitute for the real thing, that drawback is more than superceded by the inescapable fact that the virtual woman would be made to be a 10/10+ in appearance, while the real women that the typical beta male user has access to would be in the 4-7 range. Real 10 > VR 10 > Real 7, which effectively makes it useless to claim that a virtual 10 is not as good as a real 10 (under 1% of all women), when the virtual 10 is really competing with the majority of women who are 7s and lower. Women are largely unaware how vastly different the male reaction is to a 10 relative to a 7, let alone to women of even lower scores. As single men arrive home from work on Friday evening, they will simply default into their VR immersion, giving a whole new meaning to the concept of 'beta testing'. These sequestered men will be conspicuously absent from the bars and nightclubs that were the former venues of expenditure and frustration, causing many establishments to go out of business. The brains of these men will warp to the extent that they can no longer muster any libido for the majority of real women. This will cause a massive devaluation in the sexual market value of most women, resulting in 8s being treated like 5s, and 35-year-old women unable to attract the interest of even 55-year-old men. The Wile E. Coyote moment for women will move a few years ahead, and the alphas with Venusian Arts competence will find an even easier field of desperate women to enjoy.
Another technology making advancements in Japan is that of lifelike female robots. While I do not believe that 'sexbots' will be practical or economical relative to software/gaming-derived solutions, the Japanese nonetheless continue to make surprising progress. Competition between technologies is always productive for the consumer.
Some 'feminists' are not blind to the cataclysmic sexual devaluation that women will experience when such technologies reach the market, and are already moving to seek bans. Such bans will not be possible, of course, as VR sex technologies are inseparable from broader video game and home theater technologies. Their attempts to lobby for such bans will be instructive, however.
Another positive ramification of advanced adult entertainment technologies is that women will have to sharpen the sole remaining attribute which technology cannot substitute - the capacity to make a man feel loved. Modern women will be forced to reacquaint themselves with this ancient concept in order to generate a competitive advantage. This necessity could lead to a movement of pragmatic women conducting a wholesale repudiation of misandry masquerading as 'feminism' that has created this state of affairs, and thus will be the jolt that benefits both men and women.
3) Globalization : The Third Horseman is a vast subject that contains many subtopics. The common theme is that market forces across the world eventually find a way around legislative fences constructed in any one country :
a) Islam : Aside from the higher birthrates of Muslims living in the same Western cities that 'feminists' reside in, an Achilles heel of leftists in general and misandrists in particular is their unwillingess to confront other cultures that actually do place restrictions on women. In Britain, Islamic courts are now in operation, deciding cases through Sharia principles. British divorce laws are even more misandric than US divorce laws, and so many British men, in desperation, are turning to Sharia courts in order to avoid the ruin that British law would inflict on them. The Islamic courts are more than happy to accomodate these men, and 'feminists' dare not protest too loudly. By driving British men to Sharia courts, misandry is beautifully self-defeating. The irony is that the group that was our enemy in the War on Terror will be indirect yet valuable allies in the 'War on Misandry'.
b) Expatriation : While America continues to attract the greatest merit and volume of (legal) immigrants, almost every American man who relocates to Asia or Latin America gives a glowing testimonial about the quality of his new life. A man who leaves to a more male-friendly country and marries a local woman is effectively cutting off a total of three parasites in the US - the state that received his taxes, the potential wife who would take his livelihood, and the industries he is required to spend money on (wedding, diamond, real estate, divorce attorney). Furthermore, this action also shrinks the number of available men remaining in America. The misandrists who project their pathology outward by calling such men 'misogynists' are curiously troubled that these same men are leaving the US. Shouldn't 'feminists' be happy if 'misogynists' are leaving? We thus see yet another example of 'feminists' seeking to steal from men while not providing them any benefit in return.
The more unfair a place becomes, the more we see talented people go elsewhere. When word of US divorce laws becomes common in India and China, this might even deter some future taxpayers from immigrating to America, which is yet another reason the government is losing money to misandry.
c) Medical Tourism : The sum total of donor eggs + IVF + surrogacy costs $150,000 or more in the US, but can be done in India for just $20,000 at top-quality clinics that are building a strong track record. While most customers of Indian fertility clinics are couples, there have been quite a few single men opting to create their own biological babies this way. While this avenue is not for everyone, the ability to have a child for $20,000 (and even two children in parallel with two different surrogates in a two-for-one bundle deal for $35,000) now exists. The poor surrogate mother in India earns more than she could earn in 10 years in her prior vocation of construction or housecleaning. It is a win-win for everyone involved, except for the Western woman who was priced out of the market for marriage to this man.
Medical tourism also prices the US healthcare system out of contention for certain procedures, and the US healthcare system employs a large number of women, particularly in administrative and bureaucratic roles that pay them over twice what they could make in the private sector. Such women will experience what male manufacturing workers did a generation earlier, despite the increasinglly expensive government bubble that has kept these women's inflated salaries safe for so long.
So as we can see, the forces of globalization are far bigger than those propping up the current lop-sided status quo.
4) Male Economic Disengagement and Resultant Tax-Base Erosion : Earlier passages have highlighted how even the most stridently egomaniacal 'feminist' is heavily dependent on male endeavors. I will repeat again that there will never, ever be a successful human society where men have no incentive to aspire to the full maximum of their productive and entrepreneurial capabilities.
The contract between the sexes has been broken in urban America (although is still in some effect in rural America). The 'progressive' income tax scale in the US was levied under the assumption that men who could earn 10 times more than they needed for themselves would always do so, for their families. A man with no such familial aspirations may choose an easier job at lower pay, costing the state more than he costs himself. Less tax revenue not just means fewer subsidies for single mothers and government jobs for women, but less money for law enforcement. Less tax revenue also means fewer police officers, and fewer court resources through which to imprison men. The 'feminist' hypergamous utopia is not self-financing, but is precariously dependent on every beta man working at his full capacity, without which the government bubble, inseparable from the misandry bubble, collapses. Misandry is thus mathematically impossible to finance for any extended period of time. A state with a small government is far more sustainable than a state seeking an ever-expanding government, which then cannot be financed, and descends into a mass of contradictions that is the exact opposite of what the statists intended. See the gangster capitalism that dominates contemporary Russia.
These Four Horsemen will all converge at the end of this decade to transfer the costs of misandry from men onto women, and on 1/1/2020, we will assess how the misandry bubble popped and the fallout that women are suffering under for having made the mistake of letting 'feminists' control their destiny. Note that I did not list the emergence of any Men's Rights Movement as one of the Four Horsemen, as this is unlikely to happen for aforementioned reasons.
For those who dispute the Four Horsemen (I'd like to see their track record of predictions to compare against my own), women had their Four Sirens, and now it is men's turn to have theirs. Keep the Four Horsemen in mind throughout this decade, and remember what you read here on the first day of 2010.
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This is interesting, I especially liked this, "Furthermore, this action (expatriation) also shrinks the number of available men remaining in America." I wonder what will happen when SO MANY MEN eventually leave the USA to move to more "male friendly" countries that single women may actually start to outnumber single men! Currently, single men outnumber single women by one million in the 18 to 34 age group. This sucks if your a man because the competition to get women in America is off the charts.
However, as more and more men leave the US to move elsewhere, the ratio of single men to single women will become more balanced and maybe even make it so the single women outnumber the single men! Then we will see women in America not be so "picky" as to who they date and marry. It will be a "wakeup call" for American women.
I think it is a cool theory and sounds good...except the one factor that you sorta leave out... The reality is MOST MEN don't even want to think about that. Most men would rather harp on you and call you nuts... which if you talked to them like this would actually happen. Yesterday, I proposed retiring early in the 3rd world with a nice girl to a guy in my trucking company and he flat out told me I was nuts. I told two guys who are really into conspiracy theories and I got a similar reply....
I know better to keep my mouth shut...but every now and then it just bubbles up... really I think we are in the minority here. You are fighting against the media, university, science, hormonal urges, and most importantly spouses and girlfriends who have the MOST control over men. Then you need MEN who actually have a shred of intelligence and the wisdom of having travelled abroad. so that cuts away a ton of guys and finally you need to have a guy that has a bit of balls and a sense of adventure so... its a pretty slim piece of the pie.. I mean outcast even on your own forum... most of those guys wouldn't even consider it. That narrows it down to just a few hundred accessible guys. I think at this point all we can do is run away and watch the west implode in on itself.
The PUA crowd might be more inclined to follow but the vast majority of men are fvcked.
One problem I have with this theory, is that Japan is showing us something else. Men there are supposedly misogynistic and the women don't want to put up with it, especially the more educated they are. So, women there are not marrying or having children, and they don't seem to mind too much, regardless of the biological clock. See: Japanese birth rate. I don't think that huge numbers of American men have the wherewithal to leave here in the first place, as FuzzX stated, but also I don't think AW will come "crawling" back to us, either. The AW are too pompous and wrapped up in their little fantasy worlds, where they are the sole princesses. It'll take a couple of generations of men blowing women off before the AW begin to change their tune.
This will take less time and a much lower percentage of MGTOW than most people realize.
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"Even an American judge is unlikely to award child support for imputed children." - FredOnEverything
Feminism will end when the elaborate regime support structure for it collapses or is withdrawn. Without all their affirmative action "jobs", welfare handouts, state agony aunt services of various kinds, efficient pig protection etc. women will stop being feminists overnight (although they'll still be repulsive monsters for a while longer). The trouble is that by the time that happens it may be too late to save Western society.
AWs will be using strap-on dildos to pleasure each other. Lesbian is now mainstream & unlike male homosexuality, it isn't limited to 10% of the population. Anywhere from 20 to 50% of women can be bi, at any time, just peruse any of the seven sister colleges out there, if you want evidence. There's no need for a man in their game, except as a sperm donor and a potential monetary target.
It will die when the economy collapses here. That will render only two classes rich and poor. Women here will go insane. Many will kill themselves or become prostitutes. They will not understand how this happened and cannot imagine life without big SUVS. You are right about the lesbianism thing.
I tried twice recently to hook up with two different women.
Both left men for women and both were marrying their female lovers.
Its the latest craze ever since NY passed the Marriage Equality Act.
I am working on a 7 year strategy of school and savings to finally leave this place.
Divorce laws could get quite interesting, in a few years, as some womyn wind up losing custody of their turkey-baster children and paying child support & alimony to their ex-wives.
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"Even an American judge is unlikely to award child support for imputed children." - FredOnEverything
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This is one of the reasons I am promoting MBA...MBA members will be trading on credits and real money and not this fiat rubbish by the time the fiat money bubble pops...MBA members will be in the pole position in the new world that is coming.
Most economist realized women are big spenders. Any mall in the USA knows this, look at all there adds, who are they directed at?
The housing bubble was driven by this, spending the equity and leveraging more debt against the house/houses on things like Bridezilla, Remodelzilla, Shopzilla and all kinds of other things, we know well how that has gone.
Another one that is in current play is the education bubble, women have acquired so much debt for degrees that have little value, worse if she gets a guy on the hook she will drop out of the workforce, all that debt for her education get transferred to the guy and she quits working. Now there is much begging for more debt forgiveness.
The short answer to this need for so much debt forgiveness is gross misallocation of resources. The end result of this is a poorer America.
Hope and Change only helps people accept this reality easier.
Male Economic Disengagement it is a real thing but very hard to measure and it will be denied on all sides.
Globalization/Expatriation we all know about that, it happens a lot with immigrants not as much with native born, a small percentage at this time.
Hear, Hear! Now AW would rather starve to death than be a good wife.
"Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal... If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters." Cato the Elder
Actually you can look to Russia and the Ukraine to see the future....women blew men off from 1917 to 36 before STALIN got rid of no fault divorce...
It is nearly 80 years since no fault divorce was repealed in russia and the ukraine....women there THROW themselves at men and BEG them to marry them....and the men are STILL blowing them off preferring instead just casual flings and prostitutes or just drinking alcohol and dying early....my fav#1 reports her brother is a bit of a drinker as well as her son...she reports it is VERY common for a son to be buried in the plot next to his father because he dies young and the mother is still alive.
Men WANT to die earlier from alcohol poisoning........it is the better option! LOL!
I have listened to a LOT of stories like this these last 4.5 years.
This is what a collapsing birth rate looks like.
And japan is even lower....
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