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Post by E_Irizarry » March 28th, 2011, 2:56 am

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Especially in NYC, you do that shit with a lower-rung Black woman and they laugh that shit. But they still want you to fall in line with them hand and foot and just let them run their mouth until you get a private moment in their house, quickly snuff-a-luff-a-fat-ass-kiss and dont' stop until you got her panties off or else she'll say "NO NO NO stop stop"

I keep going and we end up "shooting a porn flick"
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Post by Sexter » March 28th, 2011, 4:13 am

I never tried it in the States.
Women overseas don't just fall into your lap and in some countries, they are just as difficult if not worse than Americans.


so you've never cold approached in the united states, but yet it's as difficult "if not worse" than americans. Sorry bro but these statements are contradictory. If you've never used PUA in the unitd states, then you shouldn't ever compare the difficulty of PUA in the USA vs overseas.


But if it gets guys to look and dress better and become more social, that should count for something even if they never get 1 on 1 dates or any sex.


that's funny because there are other resources out there that help you with your confidence (self help, working out, travelign) and dressing better (advice from someone good in fashion) and crediting it because of "PUA".

i don't know about you but getting sex or going on 1 on 1 dates is IMPORTANT especially if your into PUA. I won't even do any PUA knowing that I won't get sex or 1 on 1 dates.

YES PUA does work, ONLY IF YOU APPROACH ENOUGH GIRLS. In certain countries it's a lot easier (russia/china/overseeas) compared to (wetsern countries) b/c of social conditioning and feminism. Women here are more feminized and grew up in a culture where it's usually "against men". I know this from experience


HOWEVER, I DO AGREE WITH YOU. Using PUA and going abroad is a lethal combination. You dont' need to go to dating agencies to get good results in places where it's PRO-PUA (russia/china/philippines/etc)

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Post by Rock » March 28th, 2011, 4:28 pm

Sexter wrote:
I never tried it in the States.
Women overseas don't just fall into your lap and in some countries, they are just as difficult if not worse than Americans.


so you've never cold approached in the united states, but yet it's as difficult "if not worse" than americans. Sorry bro but these statements are contradictory. If you've never used PUA in the unitd states, then you shouldn't ever compare the difficulty of PUA in the USA vs overseas.


But if it gets guys to look and dress better and become more social, that should count for something even if they never get 1 on 1 dates or any sex.


that's funny because there are other resources out there that help you with your confidence (self help, working out, travelign) and dressing better (advice from someone good in fashion) and crediting it because of "PUA".

i don't know about you but getting sex or going on 1 on 1 dates is IMPORTANT especially if your into PUA. I won't even do any PUA knowing that I won't get sex or 1 on 1 dates.

YES PUA does work, ONLY IF YOU APPROACH ENOUGH GIRLS. In certain countries it's a lot easier (russia/china/overseeas) compared to (wetsern countries) b/c of social conditioning and feminism. Women here are more feminized and grew up in a culture where it's usually "against men". I know this from experience


HOWEVER, I DO AGREE WITH YOU. Using PUA and going abroad is a lethal combination. You dont' need to go to dating agencies to get good results in places where it's PRO-PUA (russia/china/philippines/etc)


1. I have never cold approached American girls in the States. But I grew up with a very popular sister and gained insight observing her and her friends. I also know of some regular guys who have pulled strangers in malls, bookstores, etc. And I did pull an American girl on a cold approach in Thailand and a Canadian on a cold approach in Mexico. I tried it a few times in Taiwan with assorted white girls as well but never got anywhere with those.

Of course none of this makes me knowledgeable on the subject, especially when compared to your 5,000 approaches. But when I wrote that some countries are even more difficult, I had in mind places like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, India, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc. I hope you will agree that its fairly safe to assume that at least some of those countries are generally more difficult to score in with random cold approaches than the States. I mean in North Korea, its gonna be impossible for almost any westerner plus you put yourself and your target(s) at great risk if you even try, even secretly. BTW, one backpacker/blogger turned PU artist (Roosh V) claimed in his journals that he had an easier time pulling in the States than Argentina. But Brazil on the other hand was much better for him.

2. I'm not discrediting the other self-help resources when I say that part of some PU schools train guys to dress better, work-out, re-program their inner thoughts, etc. There is overlap between some styles of PU training and self-help programs, evolutionary biology study, NLP, etc. PU theories and practices naturally borrow and synthesize knowledge from many other fields.

3. If I was a lonely American guy spending most of my non-work time at home watching TV, playing video games, or browsing the Internet, I would definitely welcome the chance to go out with other similar guys and hit on girls in public places or bars and clubs just for the sport of it, at least for awhile. For me, part of the fun is just the activity, getting out of the house, hanging with the guys, and making some approaches, even if they lead to shoot-downs. But of course its a lot more exciting if you are in an environment where you have a decent chance of social interaction with girls, getting numbers, pulling some on the spot intimacy, etc.

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Post by Sexter » March 29th, 2011, 12:17 am

1. I have never cold approached American girls in the States. But I grew up with a very popular sister and gained insight observing her and her friends. I also know of some regular guys who have pulled strangers in malls, bookstores, etc. And I did pull an American girl on a cold approach in Thailand and a Canadian on a cold approach in Mexico. I tried it a few times in Taiwan with assorted white girls as well but never got anywhere with those.


what's your definition of pulling? The PUA definition of pulling is, getting a girl to come with you home to f**k. It's very difficult in the united states and very unlikely that a stranger will go home with you that same day(unless the girl is ugly or desparate).
It also depends on what kind of girl you approach. If you approach a hot 21 year old blonde white girl w/ many optinos, (assuming you are an average looking asian guy) it's a lot more difficult.

kudos to you though for pulling american girls in thailand/etc. It's very difficult to pull/cold approach a beautiful woman in the united states. (unless she was 38 yrs old and never had dick in 2 years)

, I had in mind places like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, India, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc. I hope you will agree that its fairly safe to assume that at least some of those countries are generally more difficult to score in with random cold approaches than the States. I mean in North Korea, its gonna be impossible for almost any westerner plus you put yourself and your target(s) at great risk if you even try, even secretly. BTW, one backpacker/blogger turned PU artist (Roosh V) claimed in his journals that he had an easier time pulling in the States than Argentina. But Brazil on the other hand was much better for him.


those places you mentioned, the women are usually muted b/c of social conditioning to the government. PUA favors certain overseas countries more (russia/philippines/china) compared to countries like (USA/Afghanistan/any western or strictly communist country like north korea)

2. I'm not discrediting the other self-help resources when I say that part of some PU schools train guys to dress better, work-out, re-program their inner thoughts, etc. There is overlap between some styles of PU training and self-help programs, evolutionary biology study, NLP, etc. PU theories and practices naturally borrow and synthesize knowledge from many other fields.


agreed, it does over lap

3. If I was a lonely American guy spending most of my non-work time at home watching TV, playing video games, or browsing the Internet, I would definitely welcome the chance to go out with other similar guys and hit on girls in public places or bars and clubs just for the sport of it, at least for awhile. For me, part of the fun is just the activity, getting out of the house, hanging with the guys, and making some approaches, even if they lead to shoot-downs. But of course its a lot more exciting if you are in an environment where you have a decent chance of social interaction with girls, getting numbers, pulling some on the spot intimacy, etc.


that's the good thing about PUA, it motivates you to go out there and start approaching. It sure is better than staying home and watching tv on a saturday night. However, you still have to get out there and put in the work. You still have to approach enough girls to get sex consistently. You have to put up with rejection, off nights, amogs, bitchy american women with big egos, competition etc)

compare this to russia, where women are generally friendly. The difference is the PERCENTAGES. If you approach enough american girls a small % of them will be polite and like you. Approach enough russian girls, a bigger % will be polite and like you. I find it easier to cold approach in countries like russia/philippines compared to USA/n. korea. b/c women on russia/philippines are friendlier and easier to get(even the really hot ones). The really hot women in the united states usually have plenty of options and big egos(and usually unattainable to the average guy)

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Post by fox » March 29th, 2011, 12:57 am

Sexter wrote:compare this to russia, where women are generally friendly. The difference is the PERCENTAGES. If you approach enough american girls a small % of them will be polite and like you. Approach enough russian girls, a bigger % will be polite and like you. I find it easier to cold approach in countries like russia/philippines compared to USA/n. korea. b/c women on russia/philippines are friendlier and easier to get(even the really hot ones). The really hot women in the united states usually have plenty of options and big egos(and usually unattainable to the average guy)


but are women in Russia sexually liberated, I mean can you sleep with them or are they just nicer?

another thing: PUAs tell you to approach a lot which is good however for some guys getting loads of rejections has done more harm than good....
I'm not saying that a guy should sit at home but I heard of guys who approached 1000-2000 women or more and the best they got out of it was one date- which didn't even lead to a second date.

after being through that- their self esteem and confidence went down so much that now they are working hard to fix the damage- and not with more cold approaches...

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Post by jamesbond » March 29th, 2011, 1:04 am

fox wrote:another thing: PUAs tell you to approach a lot which is good however for some guys getting loads of rejections has done more harm than good....
I'm not saying that a guy should sit at home but I heard of guys who approached 1000-2000 women or more and the best they got out of it was one date- which didn't even lead to a second date.

after being through that- their self esteem and confidence went down so much that now they are working hard to fix the damage- and not with more cold approaches...

Good point, it's true if you approach enough women, eventually you will get some phone numbers and dates (and maybe some sex) but at what cost to your self esteem?

You can only deal with so much rejection. Sometimes, just getting ONE woman's phone number can mean having to approach 8 or 9 girls. Even when you do get a woman's number, most of the time you don't get a date with them, heck most of the time she never answers her phone! :shock:
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Post by fox » March 29th, 2011, 1:15 am

jamesbond wrote:
fox wrote:another thing: PUAs tell you to approach a lot which is good however for some guys getting loads of rejections has done more harm than good....
I'm not saying that a guy should sit at home but I heard of guys who approached 1000-2000 women or more and the best they got out of it was one date- which didn't even lead to a second date.

after being through that- their self esteem and confidence went down so much that now they are working hard to fix the damage- and not with more cold approaches...

Good point, it's true if you approach enough women, eventually you will get some phone numbers and dates (and maybe some sex) but at what cost to your self esteem?

You can only deal with so much rejection. Sometimes, just getting ONE woman's phone number can mean having to approach 8 or 9 girls. Even when you do get a woman's number, most of the time you don't get a date with them, heck most of the time she never answers her phone! :shock:


Yes, that's why I don't like cold approaches. What did the PUA community do?
teach guys that the p***y is like a gold mine and gave women even more social proof (as if they didn't have enough already...). It would have been better if guys just stopped chasing bitches or trying to get their phone numbers all the time...

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Post by Repatriate » March 29th, 2011, 2:16 am

jamesbond wrote:
fox wrote:another thing: PUAs tell you to approach a lot which is good however for some guys getting loads of rejections has done more harm than good....
I'm not saying that a guy should sit at home but I heard of guys who approached 1000-2000 women or more and the best they got out of it was one date- which didn't even lead to a second date.

after being through that- their self esteem and confidence went down so much that now they are working hard to fix the damage- and not with more cold approaches...

Good point, it's true if you approach enough women, eventually you will get some phone numbers and dates (and maybe some sex) but at what cost to your self esteem?

You can only deal with so much rejection. Sometimes, just getting ONE woman's phone number can mean having to approach 8 or 9 girls. Even when you do get a woman's number, most of the time you don't get a date with them, heck most of the time she never answers her phone! :shock:

That's why it's pointless in America. You are just spinning your wheels competing with other guys for the very few attractive and available women out there. I think that's why some guys hate PUA so much..it has an extremely high learning curve in the U.S. and is disheartening. They assume it just doesn't work. PUA is all about maximizing your potential with understanding in interacting with the opposite sex.

In the U.S. most guys have a huge deficit in social standing compared with women to begin with. This means PUA doesn't always make up for that innate disadvantage unless you are an "above average" guy who just needs to brush up on some social skills.

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Post by Rock » March 29th, 2011, 6:24 am

Sexter wrote:
what's your definition of pulling? The PUA definition of pulling is, getting a girl to come with you home to f**k. It's very difficult in the united states and very unlikely that a stranger will go home with you that same day(unless the girl is ugly or desparate).
It also depends on what kind of girl you approach. If you approach a hot 21 year old blonde white girl w/ many optinos, (assuming you are an average looking asian guy) it's a lot more difficult.



My definition is more relaxed. To me it means getting the girl to bounce to another venue (or at least hang with you privately in same venue), establish a connection, and eventually (maybe on a subsequent date) get her to a private room or place for whatever intimacy you desire with her. With virgins, I think its wise to avoid full-on sex.

When I go out looking for girls, my goal is not a 1-night stand but just quality numbers I can work over time. When a girl I like does go home with me the same night, I usually assume she's easy and has been with truck loads of guys. But I've met a few exceptions to that, especially in China. In China, its possible for a girl to go with you to sleep in your apartment but not be open to full-on sex.

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Post by Sexter » March 29th, 2011, 9:32 am


My definition is more relaxed. To me it means getting the girl to bounce to another venue (or at least hang with you privately in same venue), establish a connection, and eventually (maybe on a subsequent date) get her to a private room or place for whatever intimacy you desire with her. With virgins, I think its wise to avoid full-on sex.
When I go out looking for girls, my goal is not a 1-night stand but just quality numbers I can work over time. When a girl I like does go home with me the same night, I usually assume she's easy and has been with truck loads of guys. But I've met a few exceptions to that, especially in China. In China, its possible for a girl to go with you to sleep in your apartment but not be open to full-on sex.


interesting information

You make it seem easy. I live in the united states all my life, and whenever I use PUA (cold approach) i get these responses

1. Will politely talk to you(talk to you in a platonic way), and eventually say "nice to meet you" and walk away

2. instantly reject me and keep walking

3. looks at me weird and feels awkward

4. the girl likes you and gives you her number(which usually ends up flakey 95% anyway)

you can increase your odds if you

1. approach a lot of girls and get enough numbers

2. talk to a girl a considerable amount of time to make the number solid

3. in a good mood, hence you are giving off a confident comfortable vibe

EVEN if you get her number, if she's a beautiful woman with many options *skinny, white girl, not nerdy looking, young*

1. she probably already has a boyfriend(90% of the time, most beautiful women in the USA have a boyfriend or a guy she's seeing)
2. she doesn't know you well enough to go on a date w/ you, hence she won't pickup your call (80% of the time)
3. will reciprocate on the phone but won't go on a date with you
4. goes on a date with you (2-3% of the time)

overrall, i do agree. PUA has a big learning curve and the reward is VERY LIMITING. the only way to get result out of PUA is to approach enough girls and have thick skin. If you approach 1,000 women, there is at least a few will go on a date with you.

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Post by Sexter » March 29th, 2011, 9:36 am

That's why it's pointless in America. You are just spinning your wheels competing with other guys for the very few attractive and available women out there


very very true, most of the 8s, 9s and 10s in america get hit on so much, has a bunch of guys asking them out adn taking up their time, it's really tough to get a hot girl.
In the U.S. most guys have a huge deficit in social standing compared with women to begin with.


very true, USA also has a lot of bad social conditioning

1. dont' talk to strangers b/c they might (rape you, kidnap you, kill you, etc)

2. media is usually negative towards guys

3. usa is usually geared towards equally, which means equality from women also (feminism )

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Post by Rock » March 29th, 2011, 12:24 pm

Sexter wrote:

My definition is more relaxed. To me it means getting the girl to bounce to another venue (or at least hang with you privately in same venue), establish a connection, and eventually (maybe on a subsequent date) get her to a private room or place for whatever intimacy you desire with her. With virgins, I think its wise to avoid full-on sex.
When I go out looking for girls, my goal is not a 1-night stand but just quality numbers I can work over time. When a girl I like does go home with me the same night, I usually assume she's easy and has been with truck loads of guys. But I've met a few exceptions to that, especially in China. In China, its possible for a girl to go with you to sleep in your apartment but not be open to full-on sex.


interesting information

You make it seem easy. I live in the united states all my life, and whenever I use PUA (cold approach) i get these responses

1. Will politely talk to you(talk to you in a platonic way), and eventually say "nice to meet you" and walk away

2. instantly reject me and keep walking

3. looks at me weird and feels awkward

4. the girl likes you and gives you her number(which usually ends up flakey 95% anyway)

you can increase your odds if you

1. approach a lot of girls and get enough numbers

2. talk to a girl a considerable amount of time to make the number solid

3. in a good mood, hence you are giving off a confident comfortable vibe

EVEN if you get her number, if she's a beautiful woman with many options *skinny, white girl, not nerdy looking, young*

1. she probably already has a boyfriend(90% of the time, most beautiful women in the USA have a boyfriend or a guy she's seeing)
2. she doesn't know you well enough to go on a date w/ you, hence she won't pickup your call (80% of the time)
3. will reciprocate on the phone but won't go on a date with you
4. goes on a date with you (2-3% of the time)

overrall, i do agree. PUA has a big learning curve and the reward is VERY LIMITING. the only way to get result out of PUA is to approach enough girls and have thick skin. If you approach 1,000 women, there is at least a few will go on a date with you.


Well I left States right after school. I didn't have the patience or rejection tolerance to deal with what you describe above. In Asia, I felt like I was on another planet. I had value as a man there, not so in the States.

A couple weeks ago, I was browsing through some Youtubes of American commercials from the 50s and 60s. You can tell just by the way white men were portrayed that they had value and power in that era. Its quite remarkable how the average white gentile American male has, in just a few decades, gone from being on top of the world to the biggest loser on the planet.

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Post by fox » March 29th, 2011, 3:46 pm

Rock wrote:A couple weeks ago, I was browsing through some Youtubes of American commercials from the 50s and 60s. You can tell just by the way white men were portrayed that they had value and power in that era. Its quite remarkable how the average white gentile American male has, in just a few decades, gone from being on top of the world to the biggest loser on the planet.


women wanted equality but look what happened....
today women have all the power and choice esp. if they are decent looking. this is not equality :?

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Post by BellaRuth » March 29th, 2011, 3:58 pm

fox wrote:
Rock wrote:A couple weeks ago, I was browsing through some Youtubes of American commercials from the 50s and 60s. You can tell just by the way white men were portrayed that they had value and power in that era. Its quite remarkable how the average white gentile American male has, in just a few decades, gone from being on top of the world to the biggest loser on the planet.


women wanted equality but look what happened....
today women have all the power and choice esp. if they are decent looking. this is not equality :?


Rock, could you post some of those commercials? I'd love to see the comparison.

Fox, I disagree that women wanted this. My mother grew up in the 70s when the feminist revolution really kicked in and she said no one wanted what has happened today- genders being blurred, even role reversals, etc. She agreed that women deserved equal pay for the same jobs, and told me when she was younger she couldn't do anything without a signature from her father/husband (for instance open a bank account). But as for the rest of it, no one saw it coming.

Even if women had wanted all of this, they wouldn't have had the power to do it all alone. I buy into the theory it was created by the government in order to decrease the power of men and the family unit rather than having anything to do with true equality.

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Post by S_Parc » March 29th, 2011, 4:11 pm

BellaRuth wrote:Even if women had wanted all of this, they wouldn't have had the power to do it all alone. I buy into the theory it was created by the government in order to decrease the power of men and the family unit rather than having anything to do with true equality.


I think it's about the corporate state, where in effect, people live like vassals as oppose to free persons. Think about it, if you let's say take the current trends in place and add let's say 4 to 5 decades to it ... what will we have? People will simply stop dating, robots/androids will have strong AI personalities & those will be our lovers, and then, the corporate state will need to set up fertility clinics and there won't be a family anymore. What you'll have instead are a bunch of serfs who toil for a bunch of multinational conglomerates. This is pretty much an Aldous Huxley future, right there, 'Blade Runner' in a nutshell.

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