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Postby Winston » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:02 pm

According to David Icke, world religions have been infiltrated at the top levels, to carry out the Illuminati agenda. Therefore, the ultimate answers are not in any particular religion. Religion divides us, not unites us. We should realize instead that we are all part of the one infinite consciousness, which the Illuminati tries to suppress, telling us we are all animals evolved from random mutations instead.

We need to unite to fight our true tyrannical enemy, the Illuminati, not each other. We must wake up and recognize the true enemy and evil divider.

The average person just trying to survive and do good has no reason to be warring against people of other nations. It's the manipulators/controllers at the top that are doing the warring.

Here is a new video with messages about deprogramming/global awakening from David Icke and other truth seekers. The part near the end about good being the flame on a match that vanquishes the darkness of evil is very eloquent.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnzuvz2ATAY[/youtube]
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Postby ladislav » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:18 pm

I am in Kuwait now and I must say that he is right. But different Arab countries are different. Mr Arab must be from a very liberal one. Tunisia? Because actively pursuing females in Saudi or even Kuwait can get you in trouble. May I ask you what Arab country you are from/in?
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Re: Sodomy and Sufism in Afgaynistan

Postby ladislav » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:30 pm

Mr S wrote:
The Arab wrote:
Mr S wrote:http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MA11Df03.html

Sodomy and Sufism in Afgaynistan
....Team AF-6 reports, engage in sex with men - boys - in fact, the vast majority of their sexual contacts are with males. "A culturally-contrived homosexuality [significantly not termed as such by its practitioners] appears to affect a far greater population base then some researchers would argue is attributable to natural inclination. Some of its root causes lie in the severe segregation of women, the prohibitive cost of marriage within Pashtun tribal codes, and the depressed economic situation into which young Pashtun men are placed."
also, why am I not surprised that article was written by your typical rabid Zionist ... lol, Goldberg, gosh !


I enjoy reading and understanding various viewpoints. When people are derided for sharing theirs then that changes the whole participation dynamic. People either get pissed off and start bashing each other or the person disengages all together.



Pashtuns are not Arabs. Not all Arabs are muslims and most can get married OK. Saudi is an exception. In Oman the system is good. They do have a bride price but the whole family will pitch in and gather the money and also pay for the wedding. So, a guy who wants get married, can do so.
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Re: Arab male view of American society.

Postby Winston » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:54 pm

globetrotter wrote:
bronsonlake wrote:The Arabs may have their women under control but they have nothing else to teach us. All American and western society need to do is go back to the way we were 70 years ago and our society would be healthy again. The confidence that the Arab says his men have is more like the strutting around American Blacks do, which has more to do with insecurity and acting up. The Arabs have cruelty to animals honed down to a fine art. The concept of protecting animals from cruelty is as foreign to them as the man on the moon. Their respect for women is nonexistent and they think nothing of going with a prostitute. This is clearly evident when you hear of the constant stories of men from Saudi Arabia abusing the prostitutes in London and other cities of Europe. Double standards seem to be the norm throughout their culture. At least we try to expose the double standards in our society. I could go on about the shortcomings of Arab society but will not belabor the point. I will just finish with this statement. We in the west have only to return to our recent past to restore our society, the Arabs are still in the remote past and that is all he has.


What is with the bullshit single-poster trolls who have appeared here in the past week?

You guys want to contradict the editorial slant of this forum, start your own...


LOL. There are many single posters here because:

1) I featured this thread on the home page under Latest Additions as a splendid post.
2) I showed this thread to Henry Makow, who featured it on his high traffic website too.

Thus this thread got some extra attention and due to its controversial content, some watchers felt the need to add their piece.
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Postby Winston » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:09 pm

Here's another thought. Could it be that the reason why American guys seem to be the horniest is because they use sex as a way of covering up or escaping from their insecurity. to the point where it becomes an addiction?

Also, I heard that porn conditions the subconscious mind to connect negative emotions with sexuality, thus creating an unwholesme addiction. And as we all know, the US is the biggest market for porn.
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Postby Winston » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:48 pm

Check this out. Henry Makow posted The Arab's post in this thread on his website here:

http://www.henrymakow.com/the_emasculat ... _male.html

Below it are heated responses to it in the comment section.
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Postby ssjparris » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:02 am

YEAH YEAH .....HMMMMMMMM....YEA.....YEAHHHHHH !!!. agreed winston. they are very heated and just don't get it. when you post a general topic it gets some kind of heat. same thing with mine. i noitced this. but the whole jest of the arab's topic. is that men in america are emasculated. but in other male dominated societies you are simply free to be manly. and pursue ( because it is charming and manly ) and flirt ( because it is charming and manly ). i totally agree with the arab 100%.
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We already have the model

Postby Woman'sview » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:53 am

We already have the model for ideal relationships between a man and a woman. We have dispensed with it, about fifty years ago for this present system that has brought unhappiness to all who encounter it. Christian Europe, had already embraced the ideals of a one man one woman relationship that will last a life time through thick and thin rich and poor, adversity of blessings, one man one woman was convicted to each other for life. It was called "marriage." It protected man, woman and child according to their particular needs. It ennobled and strengthened a man to do his duty, protected the female from struggling alone in poverty and abandonment and kept her feminine wiles in line. It made sure trhat every child was born to a two parent household, and a boy was taught to be a man and a girl was taught to be a woman. Christian society reinforced this framework, and others stepped in if the father was to die or was not present. It punished the fathers who failed. Women were honored for being good mothers.

America, too had this model, until the fifties.

For two thousand years, the Christian ideals flourished, and though probably seldom reached, was always a model for the ideal man - woman relationship. No other system in the world seem to draw as much admiration as this. For the rest of the world, most societies saw woman as dispendable, chattels, concubinage, man took many wives, or many killed at their husband's whim. Christian society protected woman and raised her on a pedestal.

Jesus, by saying that a man cannot put away his wife and marry another, changed the status of women to come, wherever Christianity was preached. By saving Mary Magdalen from certain death by stoning, he raised up woman's perogative to a higher level. Woman would no longer be killed for adultery, as it was before Christ, in the Old Testament, at least where Christianity was upheld.

With the honor given the Virgin Mary as mother of Jesus, women's status went through the roof. The ideal of women in Christian Europe were seen as angelic, pure, gentle, almost heavenly creatures, not inclined to coarseness.

Not all women individually was seen that way, but the ideal was there. Those who were good were honored, those who were wicked were pushed to the periphery of society, and no good man will marry them.

Chivalry was born in Christian Europe. The idea of a noble knight who risk it all to win the fair maiden. He was manly, she was pure and enshrined feminine virtues.
The idea of "gentleman" is a Christian ideal, enshrining a man with a sword and great power but chooses to use his power to protect the weak. "Lady" is another concept of Christian Europe, where a woman was raised to be virtuous holding a high standard, and lived her whole life pure till she was married, and faithful to one man after that.

Why did we discard a system that was so beautiful? Nursing homes, and impersonal government facilities were not as much needed as long as we had Mom there to keep hearth and home. She called us by name, and served us apple pie with her tender touch, and she was always there for us. Not all mothers, but you get the drift. Mental illness was at a minimum when Mom was there to love, feed and embrace us all. We had it once, that is why we pine for the old days when we had real family with a real woman and a real man who stuck it out through thick and thin.
Women were happier then, when they could count on their man, for he always had to come home, even when he strayed, because the law protected her from him remarrying.
Women are not any happier now that they have all these so called freedoms, she is making so much noise now, that she can't hear the longing of her own heart. She'll probably end up in a nursing home a few decades from now, as her narcissistically raised children practice the heartlessness she taught them, and puts her in a home. Only then she can survey the damage that she has done to society.
Two thousand years ago, the cornerstone of Western society was laid. The model was there to be striven for. It's still there somewhere in our memories. It disappeared in the fifties, but it can be resurrected again. Or you can model your own family after it.
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Re: We already have the model

Postby odbo » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:16 am

Woman'sview wrote:America, too had this model, until the fifties.

Why did we discard a system that was so beautiful?


It's this little "conspiracy theory" you may have heard from time to time... called the NEW WORLD ORDER

Destroying the family is the most classic of all Frankfurt School techniques in the march towards world communism.
Making men powerless, giving women all the power is another control mechanism
(look at the former Soviet Union). I'm not talking about politicians here but the average family

All your favorite senators in Washington D.C. and your favorite "thuggish" rap stars and so on are
FLAMING FAGGOTS. and many weren't born that way.

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Here's homo 50cent/mos Def on Regis & Kelly

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op5jBgAo7T0[/youtube]

Participating in greek/roman "traditions" which is jerking eachother off while making music
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Kidnapping boys & using them for paedophilia.
Same goes for girls and powerful lesbians

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these are the values they wanted for the world for a looooong time but christianity & the family stood in the way, so they kept it behind the scenes while steadily chipping away at our established values. they work in 50-100 year periods. truly evil

basically organized religion is the enemy of every christian. that includes the orthodox faith.

this is a great series, especially part 2-3 for nwo researchers or
american-atheists who stereotype christians

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRR5grRt2fI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDhrFHJc68[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVmIUBcBohQ[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTVShZKypcM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51434hH6iU[/youtube]
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Re: We already have the model

Postby The Arab » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:33 am

Woman'sview wrote:We already have the model for ideal relationships between a man and a woman. We have dispensed with it, about fifty years ago for this present system that has brought unhappiness to all who encounter it. Christian Europe, had already embraced the ideals of a one man one woman relationship that will last a life time through thick and thin rich and poor, adversity of blessings, one man one woman was convicted to each other for life. It was called "marriage." It protected man, woman and child according to their particular needs. It ennobled and strengthened a man to do his duty, protected the female from struggling alone in poverty and abandonment and kept her feminine wiles in line. It made sure trhat every child was born to a two parent household, and a boy was taught to be a man and a girl was taught to be a woman. Christian society reinforced this framework, and others stepped in if the father was to die or was not present. It punished the fathers who failed. Women were honored for being good mothers.

America, too had this model, until the fifties.

For two thousand years, the Christian ideals flourished, and though probably seldom reached, was always a model for the ideal man - woman relationship. No other system in the world seem to draw as much admiration as this. For the rest of the world, most societies saw woman as dispendable, chattels, concubinage, man took many wives, or many killed at their husband's whim. Christian society protected woman and raised her on a pedestal.

Jesus, by saying that a man cannot put away his wife and marry another, changed the status of women to come, wherever Christianity was preached. By saving Mary Magdalen from certain death by stoning, he raised up woman's perogative to a higher level. Woman would no longer be killed for adultery, as it was before Christ, in the Old Testament, at least where Christianity was upheld.

With the honor given the Virgin Mary as mother of Jesus, women's status went through the roof. The ideal of women in Christian Europe were seen as angelic, pure, gentle, almost heavenly creatures, not inclined to coarseness.

Not all women individually was seen that way, but the ideal was there. Those who were good were honored, those who were wicked were pushed to the periphery of society, and no good man will marry them.

Chivalry was born in Christian Europe. The idea of a noble knight who risk it all to win the fair maiden. He was manly, she was pure and enshrined feminine virtues.
The idea of "gentleman" is a Christian ideal, enshrining a man with a sword and great power but chooses to use his power to protect the weak. "Lady" is another concept of Christian Europe, where a woman was raised to be virtuous holding a high standard, and lived her whole life pure till she was married, and faithful to one man after that.

Why did we discard a system that was so beautiful? Nursing homes, and impersonal government facilities were not as much needed as long as we had Mom there to keep hearth and home. She called us by name, and served us apple pie with her tender touch, and she was always there for us. Not all mothers, but you get the drift. Mental illness was at a minimum when Mom was there to love, feed and embrace us all. We had it once, that is why we pine for the old days when we had real family with a real woman and a real man who stuck it out through thick and thin.
Women were happier then, when they could count on their man, for he always had to come home, even when he strayed, because the law protected her from him remarrying.
Women are not any happier now that they have all these so called freedoms, she is making so much noise now, that she can't hear the longing of her own heart. She'll probably end up in a nursing home a few decades from now, as her narcissistically raised children practice the heartlessness she taught them, and puts her in a home. Only then she can survey the damage that she has done to society.
Two thousand years ago, the cornerstone of Western society was laid. The model was there to be striven for. It's still there somewhere in our memories. It disappeared in the fifties, but it can be resurrected again. Or you can model your own family after it.


A resounding ........ NO !!!!!!

It's sad how so many people are ignorant to real history. I do not blame you, considering the terrible U.S. public educational system and the biased and doctored "history" they teach young suggestible minds.

Chivalry was not "born in Christian Europe." Christian Europe was a savage backwater, a war-torn feudal society of inequity, slavery, and subjugation of women as mere chattel for centuries. People lived in filth, squalor, and ignorance in Christian Europe while Muslim and Jewish scientists in the surging Arab Empire applied scientific methods, cured diseases, wrote books and poetry, promoted knowledge and wisdom. Women were literally chattel and bought and sold in Christian Europe. It was only after coming in contact with Arab civilization and the Arab Empire, through trade and contacts and through the Crusades, that the Christian knights encountered a dazzling civilization and culture, where women were respected and honored, Arab poetry exhorting love and beauty of women, the Arab concept called "Furrisiyah" -- "chivalry" is a direct emulation of the Arab Furrisiyah (horsemanship)

The development of the high medieval notion of chivalry is directly related to European contact with the Muslim notion of furusiyya during the crusades. Charles Reginald Haines noted key traits "such as loyalty, courtesy, munificence...are found in eminent degree among the Arabs." Medieval Spain, which he calls the "cradle of chivalry", could bear that pre-modern title, due to the direct impact of Arab civilization in Al-Andalus. "Piety, courtesy, prowess in war, the gift of eloquence, the art of poetry, skill on horseback, dexterity with sword, lance, and bow" was expected of the elite Moorish knight.[3] Richard Francis Burton, attributing the origins of chivalry".

Chivalry did NOT exist in Christian Europe until contact with the Arabs. At that time, the Arabs were the predominant superpower of the world, in arts, science, culture, militarily. While Christian Europe wallowed in superstition , filth, ignorance and injustice; the Arabs founded and nurtured countless libraries, universities, and cities, with paved roads, running water, lighting, and sewage.

Arab Spain was a beacon of learning and light in the darkness of Christian Europe ... you do know why they call it the "Dark Ages." Christians were amazed at the fine linens, silk, and damask and embroideries that the Muslims created and that Muslim women wore, the perfumes and fragrances which Muslim men and women wore, the culture of cleanliness, mandated by Muslims washing 5 types a day. The Christian knights were barbarians encountering a superior and more refined civilization; and brought what they learned back to Europe, including the ideas of chivalry and romantic love, and ballads.

The direct impact of Arab civilization is what allowed Christian Europe to rise from darkness and through the Renaissance - who used Arab textbooks and knowledge and ancient works.

Muslim women owned property, could divorce their husbands, were businessmen, singers etc -- while Christian women were literally slaves.

Knave, seek truth and wisdom. This should educate you more, as you have clearly been badly educated and need guidance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_co ... val_Europe
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Postby The Arab » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:39 am

Exhort your mind sir. Lift the shackles of your indoctrination and see the world and the drama of history and life as it really is, instead of how you were taught.

Excellent BBC documentary - watch all 11 parts.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIXx2KtGL1Q[/youtube]
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Postby The Arab » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:53 am

More education. Learn the truth.

Outstanding BBC documentary (14 parts on Youtube.) Wonder why they don't make anything similar in the U.S. ? Oh yes .... Zionist controlled media. The whole country is indoctrinated and lied to from birth.

I have already destroyed the argument of Christian Islamophobes and the pedophile argument. I know my stuff. They don't.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZq0Jm4jRQo[/youtube]
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Postby Truthville » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:16 pm

And so Mr. Arab, my questions are:

What happened to change the historical "ray of enlightenment" that was Arabian culture, to what it is today?

If Islam was the answer to Christianity's filth and decadance, why did Islam change for the worse and Christianity for the better?

Why, in the case of societies like Saudi Arabia and Iran, did Islam, specifically Wassabism, become not really a religon BUT a "cult" of would-be martyrs whom will destroy anything and anyone whom doesn't believe as they do, including fellow muslims?

You do realize, being an educated person, that while the differences between different sects in Christanity is more about biblical interpertation, the two main sects in Islam are divided because of whom should have succeeded the prophet. Why is that? Isn't the WORD more important than the SPEAKER?

Why has the West moved society forward, for better or for worse, while the Middle East has made little to no progess at all WITHOUT the West to hold your hand?

I know the answers to most of these questions, do you?

If you answer any of these questions by blaming the JEWS, you sir, show yourself to be the stereotypical "take no blame for our own actions or inaction, hide our heads in the sand, and whine like little children" so-called "victims" we have quite a bit of here in the West. Prove me wrong!

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Postby odbo » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:59 am

TheArab is just another tribal fool. I hope he opens his mind one day but I doubt it.
He pretends like the Catholic Church which has more blood on its hands than anyone, is representative of Christianity when it's really just the continuation of the Roman empire

It's all very mind numbing. Islam has what to do with the Arab sciences? It's like saying Judaism is the superior religion because Jews carried certain knowledge, like the education Nostradamus and so on received.

Outstanding BBC documentary (14 parts on Youtube.) Wonder why they don't make anything similar in the U.S. ? Oh yes .... Zionist controlled media. The whole country is indoctrinated and lied to from birth.


this is a classic. apparently he thinks the us & uk are any different. england is the original zionist state. and the bbc AHHAHAhAhahahahahahah ahahahahahahahaH will televise the truth???

What are you smoking? Every public education system in every nation on earth will give you nothing but lies and programming.

I'm sorry if i sound annoying, but the type of bullshit that you wrote really gets to me. We're all victims. Of history, of the ruling class. And you're splitting people up by pointing the finger. It's like black people complaining about 'the white man'. That really gets us somewhere...
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Postby The Arab » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:56 am

Truthville wrote:And so Mr. Arab, my questions are:

What happened to change the historical "ray of enlightenment" that was Arabian culture, to what it is today?

The same thing that happens to every empire or power - it declines and falls. The same way Greece was eclipsed by Rome, and Rome collapsed and was supplanted by the Byzantium Empire, the rise and fall of every empire in history- ALL empires will fall, that is a certainty- the Ottomans, the British Empire, Japanese Empire, the French, Spanish, Portuguese - to ancient Sumeria and Egypt, to the waning days of U.S. power and the rise of China in the East.


If Islam was the answer to Christianity's filth and decadance, why did Islam change for the worse and Christianity for the better?

Islam does not change- it is people and the collective spirit that changes, through a process identical in all empires. Islam provided inspiration and the unifying force for the rise of Arab civilization, it's fall is complex and every empire falls in different ways. Glubb in his seminal work, The Rise and Fall of Empires, notes six predictable phases all empires go through- The Age of Pioneers (outburst), The Age of Conquests, The Age of Commerce ,The Age of Affluence ,The Age of Intellect , and The Age of Decadence.

Decadence is marked by Defensiveness, Pessimism , Materialism ,Frivolity, An influx of foreigners ,The Welfare State , A weakening of religion.

Decadence is due to too long a period of wealth and power , Selfishness , Love of money ,The loss of a sense of duty.

Refer to this excellent article :


http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/10/25 ... f-empires/

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I was also struck by the similarities between the America of the late twentieth century and early twenty-first century and the Arab decline in the last half of the ninth century, as described by Glubb. The Arab historians at that time, just as do many hand-wringing curmudgeons in the conservative commentariat do today, deplored the indifference to religion, the increasing focus on material acquisition, the spread of sexual immorality, and the extraordinary influence of popular entertainers, singing lewd and suggestive songs, amongst the youth. Even more interesting to me as an MRA was Glubb’s finding that feminism is a key and telling marker of a civilization in decline, for both the Roman Empire and the Arab Empire in their latter stages featured deep female penetration into spheres and occupations previously closed to them. Perhaps the appearance of women in the public spaces is an objective symptom of the nation’s growing political defensiveness, a sign that the nation valued comfort and security over uncomfortable risk-taking. Whatever the reason, the appearance of women in politics counter-intuitively did not result in an increase in societal security, for “soon after [these periods]“, Glubb notes, “government and public order collapsed…the resulting increase in confusion and violence ma[kes] it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streetsâ€￾. Given these historical examples, it is not difficult at all to imagine the coming disarray that will afflict the feminism-afflicted West when the levees give way and it is every man and woman for him-/her-selves."


Why, in the case of societies like Saudi Arabia and Iran, did Islam, specifically Wassabism, become not really a religon BUT a "cult" of would-be martyrs whom will destroy anything and anyone whom doesn't believe as they do, including fellow muslims?

You do realize, being an educated person, that while the differences between different sects in Christanity is more about biblical interpertation, the two main sects in Islam are divided because of whom should have succeeded the prophet. Why is that? Isn't the WORD more important than the SPEAKER?

So a theological divide is not as significant than a simple political divide ? The difference between Catholics and Protestants is a chasm compared to Sunnis and Shiites. The Sunni-Shiite troubles is really an Arab-Persian one, with Iran being the only Shiite majority country in the world and most Shiites being Iranian. The Arab Shias are seen as Persian fifth columns, but from a religion perspective, aside from minor differences , there is no difference.

Why has the West moved society forward, for better or for worse, while the Middle East has made little to no progess at all WITHOUT the West to hold your hand?

I know the answers to most of these questions, do you?

If you answer any of these questions by blaming the JEWS, you sir, show yourself to be the stereotypical "take no blame for our own actions or inaction, hide our heads in the sand, and whine like little children" so-called "victims" we have quite a bit of here in the West. Prove me wrong!

No one has the "right" answer to those questions- one can only offer theories and opinions. It is true that Arabs of today are cursed with incompetent leaders and governments, but what you need to know is most Arab countries are actually secular, and Arab nationalism was primarily secular since it's inception, it is only after the failure of corrupt secular Arab governments to accomplish Arab unity or defeat Israel, that Islamic parties and movements emerged as an alternate voice. Most Arabs are secular, and some believe returning to faith would change their fortunes when secularism failed to achieve their goals.

Israel is not the reason of Arab incompetence, far from it. The Arab world of today, if you look at it on a map, is an artificial construction created by foreign powers- mainly Britain, France, and Italy.

At this stage of history, the Arabs are at a low ... but Christian Europe was at it's low in the Middle Ages, and the Arab position reversed.

Two hundred years from now, the U.S. could be a collapsed failed state. i envision the rise of a powerful Mexico that will reclaim it's former territory and large swaths of current U.S. territory. The only thing thing holding the U.S. together is it's police and military forces- the people have no community or bond,.


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