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Many immigrant guys mention this meme.
That in USA movies all the girls are beautiful, easy, you get laid all the time and they are outgoing friendly, approachable and easy to talk to.
The guy always gets the girl.
I want specific examples of movie names and scenes because I believe that the foreign filmgoers and you guys are glossing over a few very important points about how the guy wins the girl.
Here are some examples I can think of and the flaws therein:
-Deep Impact. Elijah Woods gets the girl at the end. Of course he needs to be superhuman and survive the end of the world, but hey - no problem.
-2012. Cusack gets his estranged wife back. However to do so he must save humanity after The Flood.
-Eternal Sunshine...Carrey gets the girl again but it's doomed to fail from the start.
-Moonstruck. Nick Cage gets Cher but he has no left hand and he's a baker in a basement. Crappy job.
-Somewhere. He gets girls all the time and they all hate him. He is alone, empty and rich. Oh yeah - great life!
-Superman gets Lois Lane after 3 films. He is, however, Superman and she still is a bitch and a pain. Yeah, the guy always gets the girl.
-Triple XXX. He's James Bond. Impossible to do.
-James Bond. He's James Bond. Impossible to do.
-The American. He's a hired assassin and he gets the girl and dies in the end. Impossible and a crap life.
Basically my complaint is that the man in US films has to perform impossible, herculian, save the world (literally), feats in order to get the girl.
Or the romance is doomed, flawed or his life sucks.
This is literally impossible in the real world and is a standard that no man ever can meet.
Interesting thesis. The paradigm movie demonstrating it -- Groundhog Day. Bill Murray has to jump through about a million hoops of character-building and attain a Zen-like state of profound indifference to his worldly fortunes before he finally attains the moral stature making him worthy of an American woman's love.
Speed - Keanu Reeves has to save a ton of people from death to get Sandra Bullock
Wedding Crashers - Owen Wilson gets his ass kicked and has to make a scene at Vince Vaughn's Wedding to get Rachel McAdams
The Notebook (unfortunately I've seen this one) - but Gossling hangs from an amusement ride to get just a date from Rachel McAdams
Women watch these movies
There's Something About Mary
By the time this movie is over you'll be convinced that Mary is the last woman left on the planet. Ben Stiller and Matt Dillion completely debase themselves just trying to get her attention. This movie falsely promotes the idea that beautiful american women are attracted to subordinate males.
"The Family Man" with Nicholas Cage and Tea Leoni: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218967
He has an awesome life as an single, investment banker.
I forget the details, but one day in a dream (or one of those crazy switcheroos they do in the movies) he wakes up married to his former sweetheart.
They then proceed to show all the challenges of married life.
Through all the troubles, his wife is presented as an angelic, perfect figure that makes all the married crap look worthwhile.
This movie should be seen by all single men.
The free thinkers will see through the lies and grow even more convinced of their position.
The sheep will believe the lies and continue looking for their 'soulmate'..
Tea Leoni 10 yrs ago wasn't all that hard on the eyes.
Check out this recent pic of her, however: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000495
If you are outside of The Matrix and you d/l or watch a USA movie, you begin to wonder:
'Why such a huge, massive, hard sell on marriage, women, dating and family?'
If it was such a great thing for the man then there would be no need to sell it to men in movies as plot-lines that are 'amusing'.
Seriously? Over 80% of all movies have some sort of love interest sub-plot line going on. All are scripted to be the perfect scenario / circumstance to get the girl and almost all follow the generic hero denies / rejects his future conflict, is forced to accept it, and then triumphs over it.
Ok. If they are so numerous please list them here:
The reason why people think the american girls are easy based on the movies is because they have seem to get in the sack pretty quickly in movies with whoever they are with without needing marriage. In most parts of the world this is still is a big deal. Oh yes also the porn and soft porn business.
But this kind of misses the point. The appeal of the hero story is exactly that, in america you get to be a hero, you can become superman and when you do you will get some fantasy girl with whom it will be happily ever after.
Um isn't this the general human condition throughout the world. The problem with the american story is that people actually expect the happily ever after. The problem comes when you actually start thinking the movies are real. You can't be 'happily ever after' at least not in the common way we understand happy. Feelings of happiness come and go. Feelings of romatic love are ephemeral. You can know happy only when you know what is sad. The natural state of human beings is not happy but neutral.
There are some people here who are in Taiwan right who have taiwanese parents right? What is your assesment of their romance?
Sorry but tis true, Male female relations have always tended towards the 'dismal of sorts' and people eventually settle down to habituated patterns of some contentment combined with some resentment. If you have anything else 'better' this is very rare and you should consider yourself very lucky.
These two things - I have to be a hero/have to be with a hero and there is a happily ever after are two conditionings that many americans/people who fall for the the movie story have to let go of, in what is an often painful process of deconditioning, so that real life can begin.
Of course there are people who don't buy into this conditioning. Movies are not real. They can present any fantasy. Everyone knows that right? What if you thought bollywood was real People bursting into song and dancing around trees every half hour. Hmm maybe that is not a bad reality.
Those who don't drop the conditioning keep on searching and will in all likelihood end up broken and defeated.
Sometimes people only find a partner with whom they share a deep bond after they have gone through this deconditioning process, usually sometime later in life, maybe even after they have gone through a personal crises of some kind, something that reminds them of their mortality and the first noble truth that life is sufferring. Then they have dropped their unreasonable expectations.
Hope that helps.
So post the movies where this happens. List them by name.
I posted a list and that does not happen in those movies.
My point is that it DOES NOT happen as often, and when the guy DOES get the girl he literally has to save the world or his life sucks.
For whatever reason this false idea has become common wisdom.
Just like the idea that Asian women are docile, subservient and submissive has become common wisdom.
And She still ends up with another guy if you count the most recent Superman film.
I would add:
Avatar - He has to go to another planet, get a new body, learn a new language, tame a huge dragon monster, win a war, save the world in order to get the girl.
This is why I like:
Machete - 60+ year old ugly dude - gets all the girls just by being there!
“b***y is so strong that there are dudes willing to blow themselves up for the highly unlikely possibility of b***y in another dimension." -- Joe Rogan
Hmm...is this correct. Yes if we are talking about 'love'. But if we are talking about just jumping in the sack well he does that a number of times in the movie I think. There is the girl he meets at the fair, the girl he takes in fancy dress to the theater (implied). So Groundhog day is a good example of easy women in films.
A good movie showing normal people having normal relations is bucket list.
He is a garage mechanic who has worked as a mechanic all his life. He marries his high school sweetheart (so she is definitely not easy though).
Otherwise even if they aren't shown jumping in the sack, at least the characters in most hollywood movies are shown dating, having romances and can go from one romance to the other. In many parts of the world romantic love is forbidden altogether, all such feelings have to be filtered through the approved channels of family, cultural grouping, and there is no question of going from one romance to the other. So the people portrayed in the hollywood movies appear as easy.
But the point seems pretty accurate.
Another good example
As good as it gets.
I guess I don't remember the movie very well then. My recollection is he was sentenced to an eternity of frustration until he finally got everything right. Only then did the love of a (naturally) virtuous American woman become his reward. I can produce an email from the script writer saying he specifically chose the song I've Got You Babe to emphasize the mind-blowing frustration Murray had to face each day. The writer thought nothing could be wose than waking up to that song every day.
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