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Has anyone noticed that homo-phobia is now getting folks to accuse everyone of being gay? I've gotten a lot of grasps when I took prospective clients to the same restaurants. They somehow couldn't conceive that forming a business alliance or partnership requires continuous socializing and running through the details/schematics. Now, I tend to scatter about, to prevent any such association.
I recall a lady (a friend's potential date) being completely shocked when she'd discovered that my pal and I were classmates back in school. She was expecting some made-up excuse, (Hint: Not meeting at let's say the Lyceum gay bar) which is common among the secret gay cliques in MA (see outside of Provincetown MA and Barney Frank's house, where everyone's in the open).
And this is aimed at guys who're comfortable in their skin, not the losers who act like dweebs, gawking at women at nearby tables. So now, being well-adjusted is being gay.
yes homophobia was one of things that annoyed me about american society the most. growing up, it was like:
well the girls are bitches, but i can't even have a real friendship because of this 800pound gorilla in the room called homophobia.
men in europe, like eastern europe are really close, and i think they have low homo rates. homophobia doesn't diminish homosexuality in the least.
homophobia kept sports like MMA fighting from getting big. and now that we're getting past the homophobia stage because everyone is literally becoming gay, with rampant porn thanks to the internet, the popularization of anal penetration, this fetish with lesbians kissing, this fetish with bony girls who look like little boys. the next step is rampant male on male sodomy.. or maybe bestiality comes first.
pushing homophobia through all of middle-america's satanist funded pseudo-christian churches might of been an attempt to grow it by condemning it. like the recent fascination with condemning paedophiles when it really wasn't a problem (outside the catholic church). all that 'to catch a predator' stuff planted a seed in the average joe.
but ultimately i think it was just a way to control us. keep men from having intimate or meaningful conversations with each other.
I'm beginning to wonder if the well-adjusted hetero men need to live in gay communities to be normal. In my home state, we have Provincetown, at the far corner of Cape Cod. Over there, the town is openly male gay (it's not the full blown Lesbo town, that's Northampton MA and men are despised out there) but they don't treat hetero men or women badly there. It's rather civilized, polite, New England-y/picturesque, & basically gay.
FYI, I recommend all men to put a big X through Northampton MA, if you visit the New England region. It's femi-nazi northeast capital city, perhaps even for the continental USA. It sucks! Yeah, keep driving till you hit Vermont, then get off the interstate and look around.
Thus, live among gays, while we work the system in America, but basically re-assert our heterosexuality when we're abroad.
Most people can't really think critically in the USA.
I've found that, due to this handicap, most people believe certain traits make a "man." Why? Because the "culture" told them so. IF you try to go your own way, be whom YOU want to be and act how YOU want to act, you had better be prepared for some bullying!
And so, most men exhibit these traits so not to appear "gay."
The ass-slapping? Check!
The "wolf" calls? Check!
The fake "gangster" personna? Check!
The excess drinking! Check!
The "chasing anything in a skirt?" Check!
The "little boys will boys" behavior? Check!
The "I'm the Alpha dog, sniff my ass" behavior? Check!
And so on...........
Fellows, once again, I'm getting the *gay* stare & snide remarks.
Here's my cultural blooper ... I'm at restaurants/functions with boring AW ex-colleagues & acquaintances. FYI, I don't make friends with AWs anymore; that's been a no-no since college. I'm drinking espressos and forcing myself to pretend to be interested in what they're saying. It's a lot of work and I find myself daydreaming... thinking about playing a piece of music or working on a proposal.
On the other hand, I'm with males friends/acquaintances, laughing and having a good time. Now, the servers, caterers, & so-called female onlookers are giving me the gay look because I'm too natural in the company of men. And I can hear the whispers in the background.
I don't know about you but I find this to be sick. We're a society where men are expected to be dysfunctional or they're deemed gay.
I do not have much recent experience with being with male friends in public, so I have to ask is this really true? I guess I always have the attitude that I don't give a shit what other people think, so I may not even notice.
But if this is really true and commonplace that you get whispers because you enjoy being around other men, then this truly is SICK.
Can anyone else confirm this? Has this happened to other people you know?
If so, it really shows how sickly feminist of a country we have become and just another reason to GTFO.
I would rather make $2000 a month working for myself, then $4000 a month working for a bitch.
In the US you cannot have a close male friend because people will think you are gay, and you cannot have a GF because they are stuck up. What else makes your life woithwhile? Not much.
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Folks, the way I characterize this is like this .... I can lose interest in an AW in 5-7 mins flat. Thus, they have no intrinsic power when I'm around them so in effect, in a group setting, I enjoy talking to men more, because it's natural and we already have stuff in common. With AWs, there's zippo in common so conversations are like watching paint dry. In contrast, other men get either nervous/sheepish or over confident when women try to infiltrate the male conversation space. I have no such reaction so in effect, I get the *gay* snickers.
It's actually even worse if you're a non white male with several friends of different ethnicities. If you're asian and walking around with a white or black guy people automatically think weird things sometimes. If it's a group people generally think nothing of it but if it's a couple of guys walking around then the reactions can be over the top.
I remember once I was in a bar in Vegas with my good friend and co-worker. This guy was married, had a kid, wore a beard, and was pretty big manly type of white guy. We were doing shots of whiskey or something, but I also ordered this really big drink. The server brought the drink and sat it between us with two straws in it.
“b***y is so strong that there are dudes willing to blow themselves up for the highly unlikely possibility of b***y in another dimension." -- Joe Rogan
Isn't "a couple of guys" a "group"? Don't understand ...
But I digress, I found this topic interesting and on the mark - allow me to share my own observations and comparison with social interactions in Arab society.
It really is true that men in America simply cannot relate to each other and develop strong friendships and bonds that is common in other parts of the world. Go to Russia, the Arab World, Latin America, hell even Italy, and see groups of guys hanging about and being themselves, not worried about being judged by each other or others around them.
I made a thread regarding the insecurity of the Western male, and even between men in the West, interaction is odd and somehow fake and masked. Men just don't know how to bond and have fun, and it seems there is a fear of being viewed as gay. Americans care a lot about what others think and try hard to conform to the sociologically engineered environment they call him. This is not uniquely an American aspect, it is common in many parts of Europe as well.
Men simply feel awkward and unnatural just hanging out with other men- now, my experience is in West LA, and the odd way people are is just too noticeable. You don't see guys hanging out, walking around, hell, just guys looking for girls. There is a huge disconnect and strange social atmosphere.
In West LA, it seems everyone is a couple, then there are singles. Couples are quiet and most act like zombies. No energy or life in the streets. No genuine laughter and fun.
Very few families and children. Lots of transplants from all over the country, who usually arrive with their significant other. If you're single and there are other single men, the social dynamic makes it seem unnatural and difficult for guys to hang out and hunt for chicks. Just a certain uptight culture that is all-prevasive, and oblivious to most who live here, I assume.
Men are just not confident, not secure, and immature. They are bred to be this way, to keep them isolated and their lives disconnected. Most American men would not stand by their friends in a fight, instead they will look with a blank expression on their face. The same in many parts of Europe. This would never happen in the Arab world or say Russia, where friends are friends in the truest sense of the word.
Look at this video and all the terrified wusses standing around. This is impossible in the Arab world. The fear and cowardice of the other patrons, the complete lack of community and bond, relying on the state (police), each man his own island, every one minding their own business.
In the U.S., very few friends are REAL friends. Men and women are disconnected. Most have no clue just how bizarre and fragmented and artificial their society is; though i believe many can sense it.[youtube][/youtube]
Somehow, it seemed to occur during my twenties. I don't recall ever having this issue growing up. I'm suspecting that it's a time dislocation. I'd turned 20 in the mid-90s. Before then, there was American mainstay "Rock & Roll" and men, who were at these creative events/venues were they were in fact, men. Bands didn't form without guys bouncing ideas off one another.
Here's a view of a staged `improv act` in Boston, some 20 years ago by Extreme, a nationally renown Boston act ...
I remember that the above street gathering wasn't abnormal back then & friendships may have been formed by events like the above. Today, events are kinda hokey, people only talk to members of their prior cliques, and then everyone goes home, pretty much w/o meeting a new soul.
What had happened to me was that after my 20th birthday, I noticed that men needed to bring a designated woman w/ them & then, that b*tch would start to dominate conversations and set the tone for the guys at the dinner or roundtable. Little by little, this got worse, as the need for approval from a woman became tantamount for a guy to feel good about himself. I think you know where this is going. The women start isolating men and then, the *gay* monikers settle in and then, guys won't face being in company, w/o a woman around, for fear of being seen as gay.
Yes, one of the things that various astute New Englanders have stated was that California's a place to work (& stay warm) but don't expect to make any real friends there. And this expression was from more than 15 years ago so I imagine today, the place being little more than a business district of hotels and strip malls, ala the Silicon Valley motif of life. Perhaps the New England region was the last region where one had a blend of educated & cultured folks who knew how to get along and form pseudo-communities. I'm suspecting that since the mid-90s, that it's been fading away.
I second that! Growing up in Ukraine I would always stand up for my friends and they would do it for me. However, my friend got into a fight in the U.S. once, but I did not help him because of the U.S. laws that will ruin my life. When you have such laws, you have to watch your own ass. Europe is much better though, I did not see any police presence in France for example. Very little police in Finland too, a bit more in Poland, but still nothing compared to the U.S. - I see a squad car on almost every block every time I drive. Wow, I can only imagine what happens if police goes on strike or some kind of earthquake or flood comes in, looting and shooting will be rampant. U.S. is a society that is held tight by enforcement, not by people. If police disappears in France, life will be almost the same - not sure about large cities, but small towns and villages are just soooo safe.
Those Arabs that have not traveled to the US, especially young men, dream of America. And they love the Khawaja* Ameriki. To them, it means freedom, unlimited sex and drinking and open minded, relaxed people who are kind and warm and not uptight. Granted, a Khawaja would be better if he had converted to Islam and those who do are loved by Arabs even more. Many Arabs would tell me that they do not like the US gov't but that the American people are wonderful and having an American friend is a great honor to them. King Fahd would often give speeches appealing to his ministers and subjects to improve ties with the "friendly American people". I think a Khawaja, mostly a Brit or a Yank is the most welcome ethnic group anywhere in the Arab world and the Arab hospitality is shown the best to Britani and Ameriki. . Because these Khawajas are so open, and friendly. And an American woman is the height of any dream of so many Arabs. The ones living in Oman, for one, get approached all the time with marriage offers.
An average Arab also thinks that in America, you just walk up to any woman on the street and tell her- "hey, you wanna f*ck?" and she just follows you to the nearest hotel. And some Kuwaitis would tell me-":Oh, I want to go to America, I love America, I love the girls".
Never did I hear an Arab say that Americans were zombie-like or that they were isolated, etc. And those Americans who live in the Arab world would often talk positively about an Arab who would now be Americanized because he had been around many Khawajas. They would mean that he is now friendly and relaxed and buddy buddy and no longer uptight. That he is now free to be himself. Some Americans who have worked with Arab women have also told me that the dream of many an Arab woman was to go to the USA to experience freedom but alas, they cannot go there.
Your account of America is accurate but it is the opposite of what most Arabs think America to be.
* Khawaja is the Arab equivalent of the Mexican word "Gringo".
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