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Re: Guys, your daughters will be AWs......

Postby Jackal » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:58 pm

Woman'sview wrote:globetrotter, it will be interesting to see the results a few years down the line. You know that you are pioneering something that, as far as I know, has never been done. Your daughter will be raised in an Asian communist country, that is adopting to the extreme, Western materialism, without understanding the downside of it. That should be interesting. Only time will tell.

And what the f**k do you know about China? Have you ever been there? Where do you get your news from?

If you've never left the US except for a day trip to Mexico and sit at home getting all your news from the Christian Broadcasting Network, you won't end up knowing much of anything about the world.

In many ways, it's more true to say that China is more capitalist than the US is. Also, China has one quarter of the world's population and speaking Chinese fluently allows a person to talk to most of them. China is one of the world's leading economies and will be extremely important for decades to come. China also holds a large percentage of the US' debt. I can think of many advantages to growing up in China with English-speaking parents.

It's true that the Chinese government tightly controls the media and often isn't very ethical, but how is that different than many other world governments?

Northamericanguy wrote:^^ Another option is to not have any kids.

My thoughts exactly.
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Postby Woman'sview » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:02 pm

fschmidt said: "This is a real issue.

To those planning to raise a family outside of America, I wonder how much time you have spent abroad. Different countries are screwed up in different ways. Japan and China are probably the best bets, but your kids will be discriminated against in school. Your typical third world country is poor because the culture gives people no sense of responsibility, and this is how your kids will turn out if raised there. Western/European culture was great for a while, until feminism/liberalism screwed it up. There are very few good cultures left.

Of course the other problem is making a living abroad. This can be difficult.

One can prevent a foreign wife from changing in America if one is careful and aware of the issue. I managed. Daughters are a bigger challenge and I am working on mine. I'll see how that works out."


fschmidt, those who have the foresight to see that this problem will emerge, can take precautions. This is a real issue, and within a few short years, the effect will become evident. Japan, and China, too, are becoming quickly westernized. The women, too, are emulating the west, blindly. Perhaps what is even worse, is that many Asian women are even more materialistic than their counterpart in the West. Many will not date a man who is poor or cannot afford to buy her a house or who does have not a high paying job that can bring her much wealth in the future. Many women all over the world are wired to be attracted only to successful men. This is true in America. But even more true in Asia. Some women don't care. and will marry anyone, no matter his station. So there is a woman for every man, probably.

But Chinese women, I have heard are very materialistic. I suspect it is so of a few Asian women. The cancer of the west is spreading to the east. Women are expecting more and more, and wanting a greater role and say in relationships around the world. There is a real war out there.
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Postby Woman'sview » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:07 pm

Northamericanguy wrote:^^ Another option is to not have any kids.


That is a kind if suicide. If enough good men come to this conclusion, then the bad guys might win.
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Postby Woman'sview » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:25 pm

Jackal said: "If you've never left the US except for a day trip to Mexico and sit at home getting all your news from the Christian Broadcasting Network, you won't end up knowing much of anything about the world.

In many ways, it's more true to say that China is more capitalist than the US is. Also, China has one quarter of the world's population and speaking Chinese fluently allows a person to talk to most of them. China is one of the world's leading economies and will be extremely important for decades to come. China also holds a large percentage of the US' debt. I can think of many advantages to growing up in China with English-speaking parents.

It's true that the Chinese government tightly controls the media and often isn't very ethical, but how is that different than many other world governments?"


Jackal, I can't really say what it would be like growing up in China, especially as a female, with a western father and a Chinese mother. I assume most of them will be bi-racial. I don't even know how Chinese people will perceive bi-racial children. Maybe it might be a plus, maybe it won't even matter, or maybe it might be a negative. But I think whichever way, one will be a pioneer.

Capitalism has been a scourge on America, making us a dog eat dog society, where only the strong survive. It has robbed us of our soul, where we love things more than people. We have sacrificed our children, our loved ones and our weaker brethren to the machinery of capitalism. It has made dating life in America hell. So their adopting our lifestyle, in a few years, the Chinese will see the downside.

I have to reiterate, it will be interesting to see how children with one western parent, and a Chinese parent, raised in China will turn out.
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Re: Guys, your daughters will be AWs......

Postby globetrotter » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:59 pm

Woman'sview wrote:
globetrotter wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:Hi. You feel you can run from the American female, but you really can't. I hope that you find what you are looking for, overseas. But don't get too confident or complacent, because you have to remember you are going to return the the states sometime and your wife is going to see that other women don't live the way she does, and she has a good chance of succumbing to the lifestyle of her sisters in the U.S.


Incorrect. I am never returning to the states.

My daughter will be Chinese.


globetrotter, it will be interesting to see the results a few years down the line. You know that you are pioneering something that, as far as I know, has never been done. Your daughter will be raised in an Asian communist country, that is adopting to the extreme, Western materialism, without understanding the downside of it. That should be interesting. Only time will tell.


Never been done?

Your post is typical of the arrogant, naive, hectoring, clueless know-it-all-ism that is endemic to Americans and even more so to American Women.

There are so many people who have emigrated away from America and begun a family in another country - really, you are so ignorant of the outside world that further discourse with you is a waste of my time.
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Re: Guys, your daughters will be AWs......

Postby The_Hero_of_Men » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:50 pm

globetrotter wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:
globetrotter wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:Hi. You feel you can run from the American female, but you really can't. I hope that you find what you are looking for, overseas. But don't get too confident or complacent, because you have to remember you are going to return the the states sometime and your wife is going to see that other women don't live the way she does, and she has a good chance of succumbing to the lifestyle of her sisters in the U.S.


Incorrect. I am never returning to the states.

My daughter will be Chinese.


globetrotter, it will be interesting to see the results a few years down the line. You know that you are pioneering something that, as far as I know, has never been done. Your daughter will be raised in an Asian communist country, that is adopting to the extreme, Western materialism, without understanding the downside of it. That should be interesting. Only time will tell.


Never been done?

Your post is typical of the arrogant, naive, hectoring, clueless know-it-all-ism that is endemic to Americans and even more so to American Women.

There are so many people who have emigrated away from America and begun a family in another country - really, you are so ignorant of the outside world that further discourse with you is a waste of my time.





You are so right about this one. In my post in which I made my confession, I know how things are likely to turn out, so this trip will most likely be the very last time I involve myself with an American woman... I n ANY capacity...
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Re: Guys, your daughters will be AWs......

Postby Free » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:39 pm

Woman'sview wrote:Hi. You feel you can run from the American female, but you really can't. I hope that you find what you are looking for, overseas. But don't get too confident or complacent, because you have to remember you are going to return the the states sometime and your wife is going to see that other women don't live the way she does, and she has a good chance of succumbing to the lifestyle of her sisters in the U.S. And if she doesn't, your unborn daughters are definitely going to be American girls. This has happened to many men who have brought wives back from the third world and once they enter on American soil there is a a complete personality change. Often time, she might really be a sweet fawning wife, sincere and genuine, but the money, the freedom, the pedestal that Americans put pretty women on, may cause something in her to come out that even she did not know she had. Suddenly you may find yourself looking at a stranger you thought you knew, who sees your as her jailer. Suddenly you have become boring to her, a restraining force, and she soon knows that she has rights, she can call 911, she can have the police at her beck and call. The cops and laws are all on her side. She will soon find out that she can have pickings and choosing she never even dreamed of. My advice, don't bring your wife and daughters here. Or marry a foreign woman who practices a strong christian religion, that does believe in divorce.

P.S. Don't hate me, I am your sister, daughter, mother, friend and classmate.


Several assumptions in this post.

What about the men that never return? Also, the men that go to "first world" countries, that are not the U.S., Canada or Australia; find a nice woman, have a healthy child or more, never moving to the U.S., and...the daughters never become "American women"? Thus, a breaking of the cycle if you will. It can be done.

This reply does not mention opinions of American women; it is presented simply to show other scenarios carry out, and just fine.
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Re: Guys, your daughters will be AWs......

Postby Woman'sview » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:09 am

globetrotter wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:
globetrotter wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:Hi. You feel you can run from the American female, but you really can't. I hope that you find what you are looking for, overseas. But don't get too confident or complacent, because you have to remember you are going to return the the states sometime and your wife is going to see that other women don't live the way she does, and she has a good chance of succumbing to the lifestyle of her sisters in the U.S.


Incorrect. I am never returning to the states.

My daughter will be Chinese.


globetrotter, it will be interesting to see the results a few years down the line. You know that you are pioneering something that, as far as I know, has never been done. Your daughter will be raised in an Asian communist country, that is adopting to the extreme, Western materialism, without understanding the downside of it. That should be interesting. Only time will tell.


Never been done?

Your post is typical of the arrogant, naive, hectoring, clueless know-it-all-ism that is endemic to Americans and even more so to American Women.

There are so many people who have emigrated away from America and begun a family in another country - really, you are so ignorant of the outside world that further discourse with you is a waste of my time.


globetrotter, I am not talking about a large window here of time, but a window that frames from say, 1995-2011, where China now has emerge has a global giant. I am talking about Chinese women, and there new expectation, as they come in touch with western values and see how American women live. Their lives are not static, and they are emulating us. And they can be ambitious. There have been people who have immigrated to China before China was sealed to most of the West. Missionaries and traders have been in China for a long time. The British and other Europeans have been in China for centuries. Communism changed that for several decades in the 20th century. So that kind of immigration and mixed marriages before the socialist takeover are not what I am talking about. I am talking about the rise of China, after it's reentry into modern world in the last decade and a half. The marriages made under these conditions are what I'm addressing. I said if one chooses to raise a child there as a western parent, it will be interesting to see the results.
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Re: Guys, your daughters will be AWs......

Postby Woman'sview » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:21 am

Free wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:Hi. You feel you can run from the American female, but you really can't. I hope that you find what you are looking for, overseas. But don't get too confident or complacent, because you have to remember you are going to return the the states sometime and your wife is going to see that other women don't live the way she does, and she has a good chance of succumbing to the lifestyle of her sisters in the U.S. And if she doesn't, your unborn daughters are definitely going to be American girls. This has happened to many men who have brought wives back from the third world and once they enter on American soil there is a a complete personality change. Often time, she might really be a sweet fawning wife, sincere and genuine, but the money, the freedom, the pedestal that Americans put pretty women on, may cause something in her to come out that even she did not know she had. Suddenly you may find yourself looking at a stranger you thought you knew, who sees your as her jailer. Suddenly you have become boring to her, a restraining force, and she soon knows that she has rights, she can call 911, she can have the police at her beck and call. The cops and laws are all on her side. She will soon find out that she can have pickings and choosing she never even dreamed of. My advice, don't bring your wife and daughters here. Or marry a foreign woman who practices a strong christian religion, that does believe in divorce.

P.S. Don't hate me, I am your sister, daughter, mother, friend and classmate.



Several assumptions in this post.

What about the men that never return? Also, the men that go to "first world" countries, that are not the U.S., Canada or Australia; find a nice woman, have a healthy child or more, never moving to the U.S., and...the daughters never become "American women"? Thus, a breaking of the cycle if you will. It can be done.

This reply does not mention opinions of American women; it is presented simply to show other scenarios carry out, and just fine.



Free, those are good examples that you stated. I can see possible happy endings in what you wrote here. I was just addressing guys here who feel that they can escape America, totally. Once they return the problem with females adopting the modern changes will re-emerge. But I will only speak as a person who lives in America. I will not speak for most parts of the western world. Perhaps, others here can do that far better.
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Postby Fenix » Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:27 am

Why are you so concerned about the men here? Don't you have something better to do than to worry about grown ass men and their mission in life? Leave us alone and go somewhere else to troll.

Um, we all can leave America. It's called getting a plane ticket and a passport and/or a visa. It's not that hard. Just because no men want a dried up prune like you doesn't mean the rest of the men in America have to suffer. Go away.

200+ countries in the world and you sit here trying to preach your bullshit. There's a world outside of America and you are mad the men on here are smart enough to figure that out. Go back to drooling over mass murderers.
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Postby Jackal » Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:29 pm

Woman'sview wrote:Capitalism has been a scourge on America, making us a dog eat dog society, where only the strong survive. It has robbed us of our soul, where we love things more than people. We have sacrificed our children, our loved ones and our weaker brethren to the machinery of capitalism. It has made dating life in America hell. So their adopting our lifestyle, in a few years, the Chinese will see the downside.

In your previous post you used the word "communist" to imply something negative. Now you say that you don't like capitalism either. Then which form of government would you approve of? Monarchy? Theocracy? Fascism? Each country needs some form of government.

And I ask you again: Have you ever been outside of the US?
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Postby Woman'sview » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:34 am

Jackal wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:Capitalism has been a scourge on America, making us a dog eat dog society, where only the strong survive. It has robbed us of our soul, where we love things more than people. We have sacrificed our children, our loved ones and our weaker brethren to the machinery of capitalism. It has made dating life in America hell. So their adopting our lifestyle, in a few years, the Chinese will see the downside.

In your previous post you used the word "communist" to imply something negative. Now you say that you don't like capitalism either. Then which form of government would you approve of? Monarchy? Theocracy? Fascism? Each country needs some form of government.

And I ask you again: Have you ever been outside of the US?



Jackal, I don't believe that communism or capitalism is healthy for people. I do admire, however, how the Amish lives. I don't know if there is a government that exist that I will agree with. I guess the right governance to me will be wholesome families, patriarchal society, led by the "Do unto others as you will have them do unto you." concept. Servant-leader concept, where the leaders serve the populace, where generosity is the impulse and spirit of every interaction. Where people will use things and love people, rather than use people and love things. I don't know if there is a name for it. I guess, the Amish communities come closest to what I would dream of. I think people will use there talents to serve others. I can't think of a name right now for that kind of government.

I have been overseas, to your other question.
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Postby fschmidt » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:56 am

Jackal wrote:In your previous post you used the word "communist" to imply something negative. Now you say that you don't like capitalism either. Then which form of government would you approve of? Monarchy? Theocracy? Fascism? Each country needs some form of government.

I don't think it makes sense to discuss economic systems with a woman. But in any case, there are alternatives to capitalism and communism. My preferred system would be free market cooperativism where workers have an inalienable right to the product of their labor. David Ellerman discusses the idea in The Case for Workplace Democracy.
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Re: Guys, your daughters will be AWs......

Postby globetrotter » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:23 am

Woman'sview wrote:
globetrotter wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:
globetrotter wrote:
Woman'sview wrote:Hi. You feel you can run from the American female, but you really can't. I hope that you find what you are looking for, overseas. But don't get too confident or complacent, because you have to remember you are going to return the the states sometime and your wife is going to see that other women don't live the way she does, and she has a good chance of succumbing to the lifestyle of her sisters in the U.S.


Incorrect. I am never returning to the states.

My daughter will be Chinese.


globetrotter, it will be interesting to see the results a few years down the line. You know that you are pioneering something that, as far as I know, has never been done. Your daughter will be raised in an Asian communist country, that is adopting to the extreme, Western materialism, without understanding the downside of it. That should be interesting. Only time will tell.


Never been done?

Your post is typical of the arrogant, naive, hectoring, clueless know-it-all-ism that is endemic to Americans and even more so to American Women.

There are so many people who have emigrated away from America and begun a family in another country - really, you are so ignorant of the outside world that further discourse with you is a waste of my time.


globetrotter, I am not talking about a large window here of time, but a window that frames from say, 1995-2011, where China now has emerge has a global giant. I am talking about Chinese women, and there new expectation, as they come in touch with western values and see how American women live. Their lives are not static, and they are emulating us. And they can be ambitious. There have been people who have immigrated to China before China was sealed to most of the West. Missionaries and traders have been in China for a long time. The British and other Europeans have been in China for centuries. Communism changed that for several decades in the 20th century. So that kind of immigration and mixed marriages before the socialist takeover are not what I am talking about. I am talking about the rise of China, after it's reentry into modern world in the last decade and a half. The marriages made under these conditions are what I'm addressing. I said if one chooses to raise a child there as a western parent, it will be interesting to see the results.


Winston, will you please ban this troll?

She/he is obviously takings points of view merely to stir the pot.

where China now has emerge has a global giant.


You are an ignorant idiot.

China was a global giant for 11 of the past 12 millenia.

I am talking about Chinese women, and there new expectation, as they come in touch with western values and see how American women live.


You assume that other women want to live as American Women live.

They do not. The Chinese see the destruction of USA society that Feminism, American Women and Women's Lib has wrought, and they want nothing to do with it. In fact most women on planet earth are strong, capable but also thin, petite and feminine - yet those women live in nations that never had a Feminist Revolution. How can that be?

Take your self-destructive ideology and go somewhere else.
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