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How have women made your life hell in the workplace?

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Postby Jackal » Tue May 08, 2012 11:57 am

ph_visitor wrote:Try working in Asia.

Sure, women are still women, but the bullshit is 10X less.

There is also no HR to mess with you.

You have to be banging someone in the office during lunch on the conference table, and even then you might have no repercussions if you are up the ladder.

Hungary is generally good, too. Women who act like feminist war beasts are quite rare here.

My female bosses still act quite feminine, respectful, and submissive to me on most occasions--one of them even invited me to her house and cooked for me many times! Lol
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Postby ph_visitor » Tue May 08, 2012 11:58 am

I should amend that to {any non-Anglo/Feminised Nation}.

MOST of the Planet is a good place to work.

Just not where you guys are at the moment.

Mexico, South and Central America, Central and Eastern Europe, Asia, Russia, North Africa, The ME, etc.

You would just be SHOCKED at how cool and down to earth most women at work can be, if you leave America.

They just aren't f***ed in the head.
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Postby Renata » Tue May 08, 2012 1:04 pm

sushiman wrote:Disagree entirely with "ignore them" strategy.

That's what has caused the problem. People are too afraid to take action so these losers know they can get away with anything. I practiced the ignore strategy for years, but when good people do nothing, the losers take over. I've seen these crazy chicks walk all over male directors many levels above them in the corporate world. As soon as they learn the guy won't fire them they run wild...causing trouble for everyone.

Now I occasionally kick ass just to make sure the losers remember to watch themselves.

that's true sushiman u can't let people like that run-a-mock ... but I tend to pick my battles as I hate hate hate drama
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Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

Postby Jason of Dystopia » Tue May 08, 2012 2:38 pm

In the U.S. we got the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the first "transformational" piece of legislation signed by President Barry.

But this law has FAILED massively. This is because men and women are different! And according to Steve Moxon they treat work differently. They just don't get it. The feminist solution is to ask for more government intervention. They will get equality dammit, even if its at the barrel of a gun.

Three Years After Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Passed, Women Still Earn Far Less Than Men Jan. 30 2012

Sunday was the third anniversary of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the first legislation signed into law by President Obama. The law, which expanded the statute of limitations on fair pay lawsuits, was a response to a Supreme Court ruling against Ledbetter in her fair pay case.

Though the law expanded the legal remedies available to women who have been victims of discriminatory pay, little has been done to address the pay gap that exists between male and female employees. Since the Equal Pay Act of 1963 was signed into law, the pay gap has closed at less than half-a-cent per year. That trend is continuing, as the pay gap barely closed from 2009 to 2010.

Women made 77 percent of men’s earnings in 2009, the year the law passed. In 2010, that was virtually unchanged, as women’s wages rose to 77.4 percent of men’s.
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Postby Tadow » Tue May 08, 2012 3:32 pm

Think Different wrote:1) fight back/defend the team/etc. and you and the whole department get slapped with discrimination law suits, risk getting fired over "harassment of a minority", investigation by EEOC, etc. I've openly asked my bosses why they don't fire government women who just screw up the whole office and destroy the team, and he told me that it's too much work to actually pull it off, and that it would take years of detailed tracking of her activity and the men are too busy working to do that.



At one of my old jobs there was a woman that pretty much everyone hated. You know someone is bad when you're warned on the first day by multiple people not to say anything important to that person. She was a double minority on paper... elderly black woman (not even in management she had a "vital" training role). Elderly or middle aged black women were the majority at this place, but the boss and underboss were white males. She was ready to claim harassment and discrimination at any time, but she was the culprit discriminating against men, young people, and attractive women. The only way we got rid of her was because she had cancer. Even still she came back after some months of treatment. It was cheaper to keep her. She had another trick up her sleeve in claiming discrimination based on medical conditions. She eventually backstabbed me and several other young people. At the least, she could've been transferred.
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Postby Contrarian Expatriate » Tue May 08, 2012 10:38 pm

bryansmit50 wrote:I reacted with my own EEO issue against them and my company for allowing them to challenge my workplace for 2 decades without avoiding them or shooting them. My situation is very powerful and will likely negotiate in the long run. I'm expecting it goes to test so the media can get ahold of it in an attempt to notify individuals of this technique females use to go after men in power at perform.

My attorney said mine is a "novel case" also, so I want the media to pick it up too. Mega kudos to you for standing up and defending what's right instead of cowering down like most men do.

Men have to realize that lawsuits imply not taking that crap. Sadly, most men equate it with weakness. Quite the friggin contrary!
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http://thedeclineofmyamerica.blogspot.com/

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Re: Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

Postby djfourmoney » Tue May 08, 2012 11:18 pm

Jason of Dystopia wrote:In the U.S. we got the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the first "transformational" piece of legislation signed by President Barry.

But this law has FAILED massively. This is because men and women are different! And according to Steve Moxon they treat work differently. They just don't get it. The feminist solution is to ask for more government intervention. They will get equality dammit, even if its at the barrel of a gun.

Three Years After Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Passed, Women Still Earn Far Less Than Men Jan. 30 2012

Sunday was the third anniversary of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the first legislation signed into law by President Obama. The law, which expanded the statute of limitations on fair pay lawsuits, was a response to a Supreme Court ruling against Ledbetter in her fair pay case.

Though the law expanded the legal remedies available to women who have been victims of discriminatory pay, little has been done to address the pay gap that exists between male and female employees. Since the Equal Pay Act of 1963 was signed into law, the pay gap has closed at less than half-a-cent per year. That trend is continuing, as the pay gap barely closed from 2009 to 2010.

Women made 77 percent of men’s earnings in 2009, the year the law passed. In 2010, that was virtually unchanged, as women’s wages rose to 77.4 percent of men’s.


I suppose of Black Men/Women treat Work differently and make 68% of what White Males made? Hmmmm

I don't have a problem with equal pay for equal work. What happens is that women are either prevented or not encouraged to take typical high paying positions. There still exist a bias against people who are frankly not White and Male. Why would you want to work in a hostile environment, when you can make as much as somebody in middle management of a bank working in a hospital with children?

The majority of pediatric and family care doctors are WOMEN. But that's not the high wage section area, ask any set of graduate students where they wanna go and its usually expensive elective surgeries (plastic), specialist or where care is paid for by the most affluent clients.

White Women may be actively choosing jobs that don't pay as well, but for minorities that is not the case.

As I keep saying to solve inequality you have to solve it ALL not piecemeal...
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Postby All_That_Is_Man » Wed May 09, 2012 5:19 pm

This is similar to a thread that I had made in the 'Rant And Rave' forums:

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12689

What I'd like to know is, how do these women keep getting management positions out of the blue? What an insult to these companies. Are their only requirements for landing a 6-figure manager position is to "have a vagina" and "mention manager when interviewed"??? Sheesh, this is why I've been running my own business(es) since 2002 and not relying on Whore-porate America for my mainstream income.
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Postby OzGuy » Wed May 09, 2012 9:37 pm

Yep, I was once forced to resign after being bullied from a new female supervisor who took over a man. A few weeks after I resigned she fired a colleague who she was also bullying. This was actually unfair dismissal as he did nothing wrong.

Whats worse is that she was friends with the manager, so she had him doing whatever she wanted.

We both (myself and my colleague) made official complaints to HR, but naturally they took the side of a woman and didn't do a thing.

When you have a boss as a woman, you simply can't win - they can get away with anything, including bullying and unfair dismissal of employees.
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Really?

Postby Jason of Dystopia » Thu May 10, 2012 2:07 pm

There still exist a bias against people who are frankly not White and Male.


Really...???

Asian-Americans Make the Most Money in the US

by Matthew Chen

With May being “Asian-American Heritage Month,â€￾ it might be appropriate to enlighten a few economic realities. America has 167 different ethnic groups in its population according to the US Census Report. Amazingly, the highest income-earning ethnic groups per capita are five that eclipse the well-known performance of the Jewish-American group, who are only ranked 6th overall. And, the premier ethnic group of them all is the Asian-American group! They earn more income per capita in the US than any other group.

The five Asian ethnic groups who earn the most money are Indian-, Chinese, Japanese-, Korean-, and Vietnamese-Americans. To people in Peoria, diminutive Asians don’t look like traditional Americans, but economically and academically they tower above the rest of our society.

According to the investment journals who recommend the East-West Bancorp stock (EWBC), a bank in California that caters to Asian-American customers, Asian-American families have an average income of $36,000 compared to all other US families at $25,000. And investment advisers say that the bank’s stock is a safe bet because Asian families don’t go bankrupt like other Americans. Others have asserted that per capita income by Asian-American is $40,000 compared to other Americans who are well below $30,000...


Many Asian-American roots in US society are from the insular ghettos known as “Little Saigons and Chinatowns.â€￾
And while mainstream American society promotes permissive values like divorce, substance abuse, fatherless children, welfare dependency, self-absorption, credit card debt, multiple sex partners, and Marxist perspectives, the Asian family is largely held together by values that other Americans gleefully discarded beginning in the mid-1960′s with the Sexual Revolution.

One can certainly see the stark difference between Asian socialization in America compared to all other ethnic groups by reading Amy Chua’s New York Times bestseller “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Momsâ€￾, a controversial tome that questions how other American mothers raise their children. For in Asian-American culture, there is little emphasis on “self-esteem studiesâ€￾, “diversity studiesâ€￾, “Marxist social theoryâ€￾, or the “liberal artsâ€￾.

Instead Asian-American children are rigorously prepared to study advanced medicine, engineering, international finance, mathematics and other hard sciences compared to the “soft sciencesâ€￾ in which other American students overindulge.

Asian American performance has dominated US academies and income earning standards ever since the early days of Ronald Reagan. So much so, that TIME and NEWSWEEK magazines have heralded them as “America’s Model Minorityâ€￾ on their front covers as much as 30 years ago. Many authors have celebrated Asian-Americans as the “New Jewsâ€￾ because of their entrepreneurial tenacity and their formidable self-discipline. For even the poor among Asian-Americans are far less self-destructive and much more frugal compared to the rest of America’s poor.
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Postby Jason of Dystopia » Sun May 13, 2012 3:24 am

Gee, I didn't mean to bring this discussion to a halt.

Sorry for going off topic.
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Re: How have women made your life hell in the workplace?

Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sun May 13, 2012 9:14 pm

TRADER1972 wrote:I have certainly had more than my share of problems with women in the workplace. I lost the best job(highest paying) I ever had because a woman became my boss and had it in for me from the beginning. I was a training manager and she was sent to my store to be trained as a district manager. She DID NOT PASS the training. This bitch came and went as she pleased in training, meaning she came in late and left early. All my employees where thinking WTF.

This witch was supposed to be sent to New Jersey. Shortly after training I found out that despite me failing her, my company said, "We dont give a shit if she failed, we are short on black females."

Then a district manager in our area was called back to active duty military service. Next thing you know, this bitch is not going to be put in New Jersey she became my boss!

She made my life hell from the very beginning. Imagine having a bitch become your boss who failed the training that you provided.

Any ways, that is just one example. I would like for men here to share their stories of how women you worked for or with have made your life hell.

And let me not fail to mention that white women have given me plenty of shit also. I am dealing with 2 of them right now.

My experience is that companies allow women to get away with murder for several reasons including:

1. They cannot fire women and replace them with men as that would cause an imbalance..... too many males.

2. The men in charge are worried about being labeled sexist, so they go overboard in accomodating women.

3. Men in charge are sweettalked and Bullshitted by these women and they can not see them objectively. I am going through this right now.


There is no question that the some of the men in charge are getting blowjobs by the girls they hire. You figure, how can a man even compete with a woman who is willing to suck off the boss. This goes on at your local collage campus, and this is how many girls are able to graduate; by sucking off the professor.

As a matter of fact, I was closely involved with chain restaurant where I knew the boss and all he did was hire girls who basically served has his little harem. He let them do what they wanted and they were allowed to slack off.

As far as myself, women today dress inappropriately for work, (i.e, come f**k me shoes, breasts out,) and for me, it just makes it hard to concentrate. I mean, this isn't Brazil, or Mexico, where a girl who comes to work sexy is going to LIKE the attention, this is America where girls dress sexy but then get mad when you look at them so it's very frustrating and confusing.


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Postby The Illusive Man » Mon May 14, 2012 7:02 am

I'd caution against reading too much into Asian-American success. It's mostly the hordes of new immigrants that are enabling it. Once they stop arriving Asian kids will descend into the same habits as white kids; video games, slackerdom, promiscuity, drug addictions, etc.
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Postby djfourmoney » Mon May 14, 2012 9:30 am

All_That_Is_Man wrote:This is similar to a thread that I had made in the 'Rant And Rave' forums:

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12689

What I'd like to know is, how do these women keep getting management positions out of the blue? What an insult to these companies. Are their only requirements for landing a 6-figure manager position is to "have a vagina" and "mention manager when interviewed"??? Sheesh, this is why I've been running my own business(es) since 2002 and not relying on Whore-porate America for my mainstream income.


There women at the center of the financial crisis, does Blythe Masters ring a bell?
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Re: Really?

Postby djfourmoney » Mon May 14, 2012 9:38 am

Jason of Dystopia wrote:
There still exist a bias against people who are frankly not White and Male.


Really...???

Asian-Americans Make the Most Money in the US

by Matthew Chen

With May being “Asian-American Heritage Month,â€￾ it might be appropriate to enlighten a few economic realities. America has 167 different ethnic groups in its population according to the US Census Report. Amazingly, the highest income-earning ethnic groups per capita are five that eclipse the well-known performance of the Jewish-American group, who are only ranked 6th overall. And, the premier ethnic group of them all is the Asian-American group! They earn more income per capita in the US than any other group.

The five Asian ethnic groups who earn the most money are Indian-, Chinese, Japanese-, Korean-, and Vietnamese-Americans. To people in Peoria, diminutive Asians don’t look like traditional Americans, but economically and academically they tower above the rest of our society.

According to the investment journals who recommend the East-West Bancorp stock (EWBC), a bank in California that caters to Asian-American customers, Asian-American families have an average income of $36,000 compared to all other US families at $25,000. And investment advisers say that the bank’s stock is a safe bet because Asian families don’t go bankrupt like other Americans. Others have asserted that per capita income by Asian-American is $40,000 compared to other Americans who are well below $30,000...


Many Asian-American roots in US society are from the insular ghettos known as “Little Saigons and Chinatowns.â€￾
And while mainstream American society promotes permissive values like divorce, substance abuse, fatherless children, welfare dependency, self-absorption, credit card debt, multiple sex partners, and Marxist perspectives, the Asian family is largely held together by values that other Americans gleefully discarded beginning in the mid-1960′s with the Sexual Revolution.

One can certainly see the stark difference between Asian socialization in America compared to all other ethnic groups by reading Amy Chua’s New York Times bestseller “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Momsâ€￾, a controversial tome that questions how other American mothers raise their children. For in Asian-American culture, there is little emphasis on “self-esteem studiesâ€￾, “diversity studiesâ€￾, “Marxist social theoryâ€￾, or the “liberal artsâ€￾.

Instead Asian-American children are rigorously prepared to study advanced medicine, engineering, international finance, mathematics and other hard sciences compared to the “soft sciencesâ€￾ in which other American students overindulge.

Asian American performance has dominated US academies and income earning standards ever since the early days of Ronald Reagan. So much so, that TIME and NEWSWEEK magazines have heralded them as “America’s Model Minorityâ€￾ on their front covers as much as 30 years ago. Many authors have celebrated Asian-Americans as the “New Jewsâ€￾ because of their entrepreneurial tenacity and their formidable self-discipline. For even the poor among Asian-Americans are far less self-destructive and much more frugal compared to the rest of America’s poor.


Yes REALLY, Asian-Americans interact with their own kind more often than not. I live in Southern California, you know the highest Asian population IN THE COUNTRY, only B.C Canada has more (Chinese mainly) outside of Asia?

Asians don't shun accomplishment. Go to Rosemead, CA or Irvine or Monterrey Park. There are tons of Asian owned business and banks like Cathy Bank. they get investments from their own people and don't have to go to the White man for money. In fact the biggest purchasers of US Debt is the Chinese and the Japanese.

Black Communities largely do or pay a whole lot of lip service. But this is what happens when you sell a group a people on being second class citizens, then have to admin the Constitution to prevent systemic racism when it didn't prevent it anyway.

So YES a bias still exist, if your Asian the only time you see it is when people start talking about dick size - OUT
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