Recent Trips to Philippines

[Hero]

Even if the guy makes a good salary, he's in deep shit here. I know guys at work who pull in 6 figures a year, and their wives are so hideous I don't even know how it's possible to have sex with them.

[davewe]

Sure, we may have different tastes regarding some things. But I'm pretty sure if you look closely at the list of traits I focused on, there is farily universal agreement on what's attractive and what's not. For example, almost all men find women with high quality youthful skin more attractive than those with poor skin quality, all else equal.

The point of my analysis was to bring a measure of objectivity into the relative attractiveness discussions which often come-up when we compare girls from one country to another.

I'd especially be interested in the thoughts of certain posters who seem to find many Filipinas beautiful such as Davewe and Outwest. Do you agree that the traits I brought-up are important in judging the overall attractivness of a girl? If so, do you believe that my observations based on personal travel there and elsewhere are farily accurate? Or perhaps there are other areas of the PI which has a higher percentage of more attractive types? After all, I've only been to a few cities and areas. If so, what areas and/or cities are they - Davao, Zambuanga, Dumaguete, others?

I've sincerely tried to find an area of PI where a decent number of relatively attractive girls can be found, (based on criteria from my previous post) can be found and in the context of East and SE Asia, who also tend to be reasonably friendly and open. So far, I've not succeeded. So Outwest, Davewe, others, is there any place other than perhaps Boracay (often flooded with more attrative tourists from higher classes or other parts of Asia)?

To those of you who argue that Filipinas are objectively attractive from an international perspective, I'd love to read your counter arguments. There's a lot more to this than just making blanket statements such as most Filiipinas are not obese like so many Americans.

Don't know why you are always calling out me and Outwest on these debates, but OK I'll play. I cant speak for my friend, Outwest, but as for me the reason I have found lots of young and attractive Filipinas when some men don't is obvious; I have an incalculably large Johnson

But seriously, your methodology and mine are diametrically opposed. When I have traveled internationally it's either to see and experience a country, with little regard for how many good looking girls I will find, or because I am already intending to take or meet a girl. In the former, I couldnt care less about the criteria you list and if the latter, again I could not care less cause I already have a girl. But interestingly, when I travel just to see a country, I have often met an attractive girl. Again, it must be my tight pants - lol!

You, on the other hand, act like a sociologist, trying to determine what percentage of girls have small pores or are taller than 5'4" or some other criteria. Irrelevant to me whether I agree with your findings; I am too busy having fun and using the aforementioned Johnson to care about such a study. Once I find a girl I consider attractive I have no need to evaluate the others. And again, notice I said "I consider attractive". A mature man does not worry whether other men consier his wife or gf attractive, only whether he does. Only my standards are relevant to me.

For many years I was an employment consultant. Clients would always come in asking about numbers and percentages of available jobs. I told them to forget about that shit. They only needed to find one job. Same with women. I'm happy to find one - OK, occassionally two

PI is great not because the percentage of good looking women is greater than other countries but because if you are an even semi-together guy, those women are available to you! And if you're an older guy there is less of a stigma against your dating someone younger than there is in the West. BTW, I didn't say no stigma, I said less. And the women are often sweet and loving, which is a huge advantage over the women we are all used to.

If I had an interest in a sociological study it would be this: why would a guy who hates the Philippines, who thinks their women are unattractive - return again and again? Makes no sense to me and seems a waste of your time. But then I'm older and have less time to waste.

[Billy]

for younger and fit men is the beauty of women very important. As I once suggested everybody should rate the typical pi women. I from my observations from the internet have the opinion that they tend to be 4s. It would be beneficial to post some 4, 5, 6, 7s. I think this anyalyses is one of the most important for the men here . I like that rock ist also interested in this topic. Hopefully this could lead to proper views auf the things
girls should at least pass the boner test

[davewe]

for younger and fit men is the beauty of women very important. As I once suggested everybody should rate the typical pi women. I from my observations from the internet have the opinion that they tend to be 4s. It would be beneficial to post some 4, 5, 6, 7s. I think this anyalyses is one of the most important for the men here . I like that rock ist also interested in this topic. Hopefully this could lead to proper views auf the things
girls should at least pass the boner test

Personally I prefer seeing if a girl passes the boner test with her lying naked next to me rather than as a pic on the Internet, but hey - that's just me.

The pics are meaningless until you get off your ass and go abroad. Otherwise it's just Internet porn (nothing wrong with that) but it's got nothing to do with meeting women in the real world.

Unfortunately, 90% of the guys here won't ever go anywhere and just use forums like this for masturbatory fantasies.

The challenge here should be how to encourage guys to get out of their comfort zone and get on a plane rather than years of debate about which city has the hotest girls, when so many will NEVER go to any of those cities.

BTW, as a total aside, my friend Johnny Soporno has a great take on why ranking girls is ridiculous. See it: http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/soci ... -game.html

[Billy]

dav, I understand you but people are different. And I don´t think that bringing idiots to foreign lands to become broke and unhappy is the aim. Foreign lands are only for a minority of people.

Anyway, I am a great fan of the rating system. I would like to see more details in the system lik a 7.75 . And yes Soporno sounds like an scam artist idiot. The guys from Rooshv forum wanted to get over the rating system too but they still use it as it´s very important

The problem with being together with low rated women ist that your mind will get manipulated because of oxitocin. That is why many men are together with whales. They are somewhat addicts of it.

I want to judge women looks with fresh mind so I will not betray myself.

Now you could say: what´s wrong with that as long as they are happy? I think after these guys wake up they will realise that they spent huge amounts of money for ugly girls.

With your boner test many convicts had to become gay in the prison. There men f**k men because they pass the boner test there I don´t think I want to experience that

I don´t want to diss PI girls. I only want to collect information. It´s no secret that they don´t look well. But it´s ok as they are more open.

But you can´t compare that with FSU girls. They are simply prettier. And there you have no problems with collecting pics as many people love to show these pics as these chics are the killer . But the downside is they will cosume more energy

No need to become defensive. We are just collecting informatin And yes I would like to go to the pi. But you know the masterplan should be watertight

[davewe]

With your boner test many convicts had to become gay in the prison. There men f**k men because they pass the boner test there I don´t think I want to experience that

Hmm. So is this really the main fear? Since I have no intention of being a convict, this ain't my fear.

Bottom line is that there are those who do, those who teach and those who observe. There are a few teachers on HA, lots of observers and only a few doers. Sure you must gather information but don't wait too long to just take a leap.

[Rock]

Unfortunately, 90% of the guys here won't ever go anywhere and just use forums like this for masturbatory fantasies.

Unfortunate? I can assure you that if even if 10% of American and other western men visited and/or relocaated to PI, things would get a lot worse. Local girls would generally get a lot pickier about qualifications - looks, money, and age - of foreigenrs they considered dating. P4P prices would shoot-up. Attitudes you never imagined existed there would emerge.

The forum provides an information source for certain guys interested in travelling or moving aborad for a better social and dating life. But I don't believe the goal should be to get huge percentages of guys to leave the USA or other western countries. That would ultimately defeat the purpose IMO as the key destinations would get spoiled. I've already seen this scenario play out to the chargrin of many LT expats.

[Rock]

Sure, we may have different tastes regarding some things. But I'm pretty sure if you look closely at the list of traits I focused on, there is farily universal agreement on what's attractive and what's not. For example, almost all men find women with high quality youthful skin more attractive than those with poor skin quality, all else equal.

The point of my analysis was to bring a measure of objectivity into the relative attractiveness discussions which often come-up when we compare girls from one country to another.

I'd especially be interested in the thoughts of certain posters who seem to find many Filipinas beautiful such as Davewe and Outwest. Do you agree that the traits I brought-up are important in judging the overall attractivness of a girl? If so, do you believe that my observations based on personal travel there and elsewhere are farily accurate? Or perhaps there are other areas of the PI which has a higher percentage of more attractive types? After all, I've only been to a few cities and areas. If so, what areas and/or cities are they - Davao, Zambuanga, Dumaguete, others?

I've sincerely tried to find an area of PI where a decent number of relatively attractive girls can be found, (based on criteria from my previous post) can be found and in the context of East and SE Asia, who also tend to be reasonably friendly and open. So far, I've not succeeded. So Outwest, Davewe, others, is there any place other than perhaps Boracay (often flooded with more attrative tourists from higher classes or other parts of Asia)?

To those of you who argue that Filipinas are objectively attractive from an international perspective, I'd love to read your counter arguments. There's a lot more to this than just making blanket statements such as most Filiipinas are not obese like so many Americans.

Don't know why you are always calling out me and Outwest on these debates, but OK I'll play. I cant speak for my friend, Outwest, but as for me the reason I have found lots of young and attractive Filipinas when some men don't is obvious; I have an incalculably large Johnson

But seriously, your methodology and mine are diametrically opposed. When I have traveled internationally it's either to see and experience a country, with little regard for how many good looking girls I will find, or because I am already intending to take or meet a girl. In the former, I couldnt care less about the criteria you list and if the latter, again I could not care less cause I already have a girl. But interestingly, when I travel just to see a country, I have often met an attractive girl. Again, it must be my tight pants - lol!

You, on the other hand, act like a sociologist, trying to determine what percentage of girls have small pores or are taller than 5'4" or some other criteria. Irrelevant to me whether I agree with your findings; I am too busy having fun and using the aforementioned Johnson to care about such a study. Once I find a girl I consider attractive I have no need to evaluate the others. And again, notice I said "I consider attractive". A mature man does not worry whether other men consier his wife or gf attractive, only whether he does. Only my standards are relevant to me.

For many years I was an employment consultant. Clients would always come in asking about numbers and percentages of available jobs. I told them to forget about that shit. They only needed to find one job. Same with women. I'm happy to find one - OK, occassionally two

PI is great not because the percentage of good looking women is greater than other countries but because if you are an even semi-together guy, those women are available to you! And if you're an older guy there is less of a stigma against your dating someone younger than there is in the West. BTW, I didn't say no stigma, I said less. And the women are often sweet and loving, which is a huge advantage over the women we are all used to.

If I had an interest in a sociological study it would be this: why would a guy who hates the Philippines, who thinks their women are unattractive - return again and again? Makes no sense to me and seems a waste of your time. But then I'm older and have less time to waste.

The reason I brought up those rating factors and applied them to my observations is to clarify why I consider PI girls less physically attractive than girls in most other countries after my trips there. It's easy just to say country X is full of hot girls and country Y is full of fuglies or to throw out some random ratings - lots of 8s in one place but mainly 4s in another. But that's very unclear and biased by the writer's personal preferences. By focusing on factors which universally shape other's perceptions of female attractiveness, and then attempting to observe their patterns or tendencies in one country vs. another, the analysis becomes more objective.

I can still understand why older guys might prefer looking in the PI. As you implied, it's probably easier for men to achieve extreme dating age gaps there than in most other countries. But most of the forum readership is under 40 and a large percentage is under 30. For these demographics, it makes a lot of sense to strongly consider alternatives where typical girls are much more attractive (as per my factor comparison), say developed NE Asia, Thailand, China, etc.

For a lot of younger guys with limited time and financial resources, more detailed info allows them to do a much better quality of homework before deciding where to expend their very limited resources. Just jumping on a plane and going to the PI or any other country without proper due-diligence is sloppy, careless and can lead to a very pore outcome. Consider PI Visitor's recent experience, lol. For a lot of these guys, appearance is very important so it helps them a lot to know where to ultimately choose.

I called you and Outwest out cus you both seem convinced that PI has an abundance of very attractive womem. I explained why I don't agree and invited you to counter my arguments. But it seems you don't wanna go there which if fine too. I just wanna put PI in perspective and keep it real. Let's not deceive the guys back home into thinking there's a lot of hot available women there when we all know there's not.

BTW, I don't hate the PI. For example, I really appreciate the easygoing nature of so many people there. I've spent time there on various trips visiting lots of different areas in hopes of finding these beautiful women you write about. Unfortunately, they seem to be very are and located mainly in Metro Manila and Pamanga. And it probably takes a lot of luck and perfect timing to have a chance with one of these as an visitor.

[davewe]

Unfortunately, 90% of the guys here won't ever go anywhere and just use forums like this for masturbatory fantasies.

Unfortunate? I can assure you that if even if 10% of American and other western men visited and/or relocaated to PI, things would get a lot worse. Local girls would generally get a lot pickier about qualifications - looks, money, and age - of foreigenrs they considered dating. P4P prices would shoot-up. Attitudes you never imagined existed there would emerge.

The forum provides an information source for certain guys interested in travelling or moving aborad for a better social and dating life. But I don't believe the goal should be to get huge percentages of guys to leave the USA or other western countries. That would ultimately defeat the purpose IMO as the key destinations would get spoiled. I've already seen this scenario play out to the chargrin of many LT expats.

It isn't whether 10% of Western men should relocate or even travel abroad - that certainly will never happen nor should it. It was whether 10% of the members of a forum dedicated to being "Happier Abroad" will ever go. This forum is a tiny niche - a .1% of the male population. The world will not be ruined if we travel or relocate.

Sometimes I wonder whether in fact some of the postings on HA are actually designed to dissuade members from traveling abroad, since many members believe that the key destinations would get spoiled if too many men venture there.

So yes, I think helping members take action is a reasonable goal. The dating world will not be destroyed if 100 guys from this forum get their shit together and venture outward.

[davewe]

I called you and Outwest out cus you both seem convinced that PI has an abundance of very attractive womem. I explained why I don't agree and invited you to counter my arguments. But it seems you don't wanna go there which if fine too. I just wanna put PI in perspective and keep it real. Let's not deceive the guys back home into thinking there's a lot of hot available women there when we all know there's not.

And I answered that I don't believe there is an objective measurement by which you can determine the kind of attraction quotient that some people here want to quantify and that I don't travel and judge in that manner.

Answering with the (accurate) cliche that tastes vary does not seem to satisfy some people here. If a guy requires a girl with straight blonde hair in order to get a hardon, then he's not gonna like black women. That doesn't mean black women are unattractive, it means the guy in question has a particular requirement that black women do not meet.

If a guy requires a girl to be at least 5'7" in order to attain said hardon, then PI is not gonna be a hot bed for him. Again that isn't because PI girls are universally unattractive but because the guy in question (Rock in this case) has a particular need for a taller girl.

Trying to covert our personal preferences into an objective reality is nonsensical.

It's 2012 and we have the Internet. Any guy in 5 minutes can check out scores of pics of girls from any culture or country he is interested in and determine if their look appeals to him or not. Any guy can spend all of an hour on an online site like Cherry Blossoms or Filipino Cupid and make an even more detailed determination. Do they really need me or you to say the girls are 4s or 5s or 7s? Are we all incapable of making our own determination of what we like?

But since we want some sort of objective reality - here is an objective reality. In a country of 90 million, by definition there have to be some good looking girls. We can debate on percentages but some are there. It would be a mathematical impossibility if there were none. So here's my objective statement: if a guy is halfway together, if he isn't deformed or 400 pounds, or a mongoloid idiot, if he isn't Charles Manson, if he doesn't have a personality like (well I won't name names but I am thinking of a few guys on this forum) - then he can find a decent or better looking girl in PI, whether he wants a wife or a gf or even a temporary gf. I don't want to insult anyone, but lets think of some of the less than incredibly handsome guys here who have done well with women in PI. Hey, I'll even include myself in that category. In addition, if you aren't a complete lame dumbass, the girl you find will be sweet and will even love you.

Of course some of you younger Brad Pitt lookalikes who are banging Swedish supermodels every night have no need to visit PI. But if you aren't that successful in the West or if you are successful but find the women horrible, then consider checking PI out. Then make your own decision. Chances are good you'll want to come back. Hell, even Rock keeps coming back

[Hero]

The pics are meaningless until you get off your ass and go abroad. Otherwise it's just Internet porn (nothing wrong with that) but it's got nothing to do with meeting women in the real world.

Unfortunately, 90% of the guys here won't ever go anywhere and just use forums like this for masturbatory fantasies.

Yeah, when you meet those girls in person almost none of them look like their pics. Finding a hot girl on the internet is like finding a diamond in a mountain of coal - lots of work, but still worth doing.

Although my last trip was somewhat disappointing, I can still take pride in the fact that I did in fact get off my duff and go not once, but twice.

I say if you're disappointed in the girls, you probably haven't spent enough time there. If you can arrange a month or so in the Philippines, it's almost a mathematical certainty that you'll run into a real Filipina beauty.

[Rocky Top]

dav, I understand you but people are different. And I don´t think that bringing idiots to foreign lands to become broke and unhappy is the aim. Foreign lands are only for a minority of people.

Anyway, I am a great fan of the rating system. I would like to see more details in the system lik a 7.75 . And yes Soporno sounds like an scam artist idiot. The guys from Rooshv forum wanted to get over the rating system too but they still use it as it´s very important

The problem with being together with low rated women ist that your mind will get manipulated because of oxitocin. That is why many men are together with whales. They are somewhat addicts of it.

I want to judge women looks with fresh mind so I will not betray myself.

Now you could say: what´s wrong with that as long as they are happy? I think after these guys wake up they will realise that they spent huge amounts of money for ugly girls.

With your boner test many convicts had to become gay in the prison. There men f**k men because they pass the boner test there I don´t think I want to experience that

I don´t want to diss PI girls. I only want to collect information. It´s no secret that they don´t look well. But it´s ok as they are more open.

But you can´t compare that with FSU girls. They are simply prettier. And there you have no problems with collecting pics as many people love to show these pics as these chics are the killer . But the downside is they will cosume more energy

No need to become defensive. We are just collecting informatin And yes I would like to go to the pi. But you know the masterplan should be watertight

I dont know what to say after reading this. Wow... gay prison sex??? Really?

[Billy]

Yes I heard that there is sex in prisons between the inmates.