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My first visit to Shanghai, China

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My first visit to Shanghai, China

Postby xiongmao » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:57 pm

Hi all,

I've been in Shanghai for about a week, so I thought I'd post about my trip so far. I'm on a woman finding trip, so read on if you're thinking of finding an Asian wife! I know Winston was asking about Chinese girls.

Also I've just read Mr S's great post about the Philippines. I've never been to the Philippines, but I have been to China and Japan in search of a wife. I still think I'm in the right country by sticking with China, although if I was starting afresh I'd be tempted to try Vietnam.

I can tell you that the flight from Heathrow to Shanghai was full of win. Clearly if you like beautiful women and you're marriage minded then China is the place to go in Asia. Also I got very broody after seeing so many cute Chinese/mixed babies.

It's so cold here my eyeballs are freezing. Please think twice before coming to China in Winter! I've picked up a bad cold (on top of the usual bad food/bug/skin problems) and it's really too cold/busy to do much in the way of sightseeing. Come to China in April or September/October. The rest of the year, stay at home! Also Chinese New Year is great if you like 8 hours of fireworks and firecrackers followed by 2 days of shockingly poor air quality.

There's plenty of money here, but at the same time it's a lot shabbier than Japan.

Japan doesn't have a 450km/h maglev train though! That's a good intro to the city of the future, and travelling so fast on land was a strange experience. Of course this being China you can't actually go into the centre of Shanghai on it, you need to transfer to taxi or metro. That took so long that I rather wished I'd just taken the metro from the airport in the first place!

Miss Xiongmao came to meet me from Southern China. So I didn't meet any new ladies this time. Miss Xiongmao is 12 years younger than me, and I am in awe of her smooth and soft skin and incredible chest. I don't know if all Asian ladies are so soft - she tells me only she is this soft.

I found her on Chinese Love Links, and I visited her for the first time last October. I guess here she's only regarded as average, but the chances of finding a girl like her back home are pretty remote. She is Cantonese, and they're often short and curvy, but on the plus side they have the mildest personalities in China (and if you're marrying a Chinese woman then that is a gigantic plus).

She really looked after me while I was here, and there are plenty of women who would quickly lose interest in an older guy with a terrible chest infection!

Is she the one? I'm still not sure, but this is down to a commitment issue on my part. That's not really unique to dating an Asian woman.

I will return to England to think, then maybe visit her again in the Spring. I have purposefully not met her family yet.

What I'll say about China is that the average woman is very hot here. Pretty much every woman here has a great pair of legs and lovely silky long hair. There are plenty of tall women here, and there's curves if you like that too. Chinese women also dress to impress. Another great thing is that some of them have a gigantic interest in sex.

On the downside it can be tremendously hard and also expensive to find a good Chinese wife. As Mr S says of the Philippines, the best girls are almost always taken by the locals, or they don't speak English. Most girls you see on dating sites have some sort of flaw. Some have nasty personalities. Some have little interest in sex. A lot have too much interest in money. Some are too intelligent for any man. Some are ugly (but often only by Chinese standards). There are plenty of scammers and hookers on there as well. This is my 4th visit to China and every time I visit I learn more about what really goes on here. I've dated around 12 Chinese women now, talked to hundreds on Chinese Love Links, Chnlove and China Love Match and I have to say that only about 5% of the women on these sites are worth marrying.

I'll say one thing though - the standard of English here is soaring. Miss Xiongmao is pretty much fluent, and she only went to an average University.

As to Shanghai, it's my first visit and it a lot different to Wuhan or Guangzhou. I may as well be in a different country. I'll post photos when I return home. To be honest it's been a big disappointment. The Bund is spectacular, the zoo wasn't bad and I loved the wooden model of the entire city of Shanghai. But on the whole the place is bland. For what it's worth, Miss Xiongmao thought pretty much the same thing.

I'm pleased with my Expedia hotel choice - yet again I picked a winner. It's around $40 a night for an executive room, which ain't bad for a place that's walking distance to The Bund and Nanjing Road. The place down the road is $400 a night, and it sure ain't gonna be 10x better than this place. Sure, you have to put up with the occasional cat having sex on the roof outside, and they never seem to deliver enough toilet paper. Maybe that's so the Chinese guests don't take it home.

On the downside the shopping in Shanghai is bland - Nanjing Road is just full of designer goods which are usually cheaper at home anyway. The metro is shabby and I can see why many Shanghai people mistrust it. Shanghai people speak a dialect that is incomprehensible to most Mandarin speakers. They clearly think they're superior to other Chinese, and they're not really into the whole multicultural thing that makes Cantonese cities such a joy to visit.

I've had to pay Westerners price for many things, including buying Miss Xiongmao the world's most expensive apples!

Service here is shockingly poor. I ordered chicken in one restaurant and ended up with hamburger. Fortunately the chicken was off so I escaped any problems here! McDonalds is attrocious here, the worst anywhere I have been. One Ramen restaurant we ordered in then 15 minutes later they told us the starter was out of stock. We got fed up with waiting in a freezing room and left before the mains arrived (English people are known to maintain that stiff upper lip at all times except when it comes to dining out).

So what have I learnt?

Chinese women are still in my opinion the best option for an Asian wife. I would however not go anywhere near Shanghai women. Well suffice to say everything you've heard about iPhones and LV bags is completely true. A friend of mine dated a Shanghai lady and he told me she had dollar signs for eyes.

I still think that if you want a Chinese wife then Guangzhou is the best place. Cantonese girls are terrific. The place is also awash with singles from Hunan and Hubei (also Sichuan but they rarely speak English or are well educated). And the warmer weather means there is a lot more flesh on display.

If you're more adventurous and want to brave the hostile climate and sometimes dodgy food then the are encircled by Wuhan/Changsha/Chongqing/Chengdu is also good. I once visited Yichang and the quality of ladies there was simply beyond belief. You'll have to take my word for it though because I saw no other Westerners there at all. And those who do visit there only go to get on the Yangtze boat cruise, they're not looking for Chinese women.

Back to Shanghai, and I have seen many Western men here with Chinese wives. Most of these men have bagged some seriously decent girl. In general 50yo+ men do well with elegant 36 yo women. 25-30 yo men seem to date girls the same age as them. As a 40yo man I seem to be in the minority here, I guess most men my age are still married to their western wives!

If you date a younger lady then be prepared to spend a lot/all of your money on your future babies. Children are worshipped by Chinese families. I saw one Shanghai guy (with LV bag wife) spend 525 RMB on books for his kids. Also if her family members get sick then be prepared for some sometimes gigantic medical bills. Yes, a Chinese wife is a big commitment.

Interestingly I've seen a lot of dating/marriage themed TV shows here, and some have had Western men on them. I think I've seen some of the YouTubes posted on this site. The Mandarin these guys speak is pretty impressive, but it doesn't seem to help in bagging a better looking wife.

Strange things about Shanghai: they have more coins here, in Guangzhou coins are extremely rare! M&M's are a different color here. People cross the road on the red man - this never happens in Japan. Also I saw hot dog sushi in one restaurant.

By the way, our hotel maid earns 1200 RMB a month (about $190). Wealth inequality here is staggering.

Anyway, if you have any comments or questions about China or Chinese women then leave your thoughts below!

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Postby Winston » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:03 pm

Great trip report.

Wait. I thought everyone said Shanghai was an exciting and futuristic looking city? Isn't it the New York of China? There must be lots to do there. Did you see any shows, concerts or operas? Are there any high tech amusement parks?

What is this LV bag you keep talking about? Do all Chinese women want them, or only materialistic types? Is it a status symbol?

Where will you go next?

I thought Expedia only dealt with hotels in the US. Check my hotel search engine. See if it gets you better or same prices.

http://hotels.happierabroad.com

Good luck. Keep us updated.

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Postby xiongmao » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:17 pm

Thanks Winston!

LV is short for Louis Vuitton, a wildly popular upmarket brand of designer goods. How many bags are fake is open to discussion, but according to The Economist magazine I picked up at the airport, the Chinese are losing their appetite for fake goods.

I usually book my trips on Expedia.co.uk. They tend to give good discounts on flights and hotels. I've rarely got better quotes elsewhere. Their choice of hotel is immense, although they tend not to have the cheapest places (and you might not want to stay in them anyway!).

Shanghai is immense - there are 12,000 tall buildings here. But it's too damned cold to do much and everywhere is busy! I'll take some photos of Shanghai Princesses tomorrow, but most of them are wearing their winter clothes so it's a little disappointing. Some women here are incredible, but you just know it wouldn't work.

Whether I stick with Miss Xiongmao or continue my search I don't think I'll stray from Guangzhou. It really feels like a home from home now, and the place is awash with gorgeous women.
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Postby xiongmao » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:19 pm

A couple of photos from my trip:

Central Shanghai from the Jinmao Tower's 88th floor. Gotta do something about that air pollution!

Another thing that amazed me is that since 1988 (when the Jinmao was built) the Chinese have essentially rebuilt the entire city! Jinmao was practically the only tall building in the city. Now there are 12,000 tall buildings.

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Nanjing Road. Recession? What recession.

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Postby Billy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:16 pm

Wow what a picture. These skysrapers are amazing.
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Postby xiongmao » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:26 pm

Thanks Billy. What's amazing is that in 1998 most of the ground shown in this photo was 2 storey buildings!

Here's a couple of Shanghai ladies. I have a feeling Winston would like this cute girl:

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And here's a reminder that China is a great place to find professional Asian women:

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Postby Billy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:45 pm

Yes shure, something for Winston. Now with the photos from jamesbond of Winston we can sell Winston as an famous artist. Maybe chicks will like it and he can score like there is no tomorrow ;-)
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Postby CheezeRaider » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:26 pm

good report Xiongmao.

I heard alot about the infamous Shanghai girls. Any info on the Beijing girls?
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Postby Jacaré » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:48 am

Thank you for posting this detailed report Xiongmao! I enjoyed reading it and I'm going to start doing my research on China. I may contact you when the time comes...
How approachable are the women there? Friendly or cold?
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Postby xiongmao » Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:07 pm

Hi Jacre,

I will probably go to China in May 2012 and again in Sept or Oct. Give me a shout as we could meet up if you're going the same time.

I always go to Guangzhou. It's an easy city for Western guys and it's packed with single office ladies. Finding English speakers is very easy. I can put you in touch with many single women here, as well as find you a translator.

What's wrong with Shanghai? Well Shanghai women are formidable and if you want an easy life then they're not for you. Just think of all those LV bags you'll end up buying.

Beijing women are very attractive. They tend to be tall and pale skinned. The problem is Beijing. It has a terrible climate - hot in summer, cold in winter. And polluted most of the year.

The Chinese winter is horrible - only the coast round Hong Kong escapes. I still have the cough I picked up in Shanghai!

The best place for Chinese women is probably going to be Changsha. The only Westerners who are in town are men visiting Chinese women. Chnlove's biggest marriage agency is based there. There's something about Hunan women that American men love, as more American men marry Hunan women than women from any other Chinese province.

I once visited a city quite near to Changsha, and I'm not kidding - the women all looked like models. Even the girls selling fake socks on the sidewalk were 10's.

Guangzhou has the added advantage of Cantonese girls, and these have the mildest personalities in China. On the downside, their love of food makes them put on weight in later life!

Chinese women are very friendly - all the girls I've dated have been absolutely delightful. However I've only ever approached them online first. Approaching them in the street is hard - the hotter they are, the less likely that they speak any English. In Guangzhou many don't even speak Mandarin - this is a Cantonese stronghold, and the migrants speak wierd Sichuan dialects.

Anyway, I'm building a photo gallery of Chinese women. Take your pick:

Chinese women of Guangzhou and Shanghai
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Postby Taco » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:15 pm

xiongmao wrote:Hi Jacre,

I will probably go to China in May 2012 and again in Sept or Oct. Give me a shout as we could meet up if you're going the same time.

I always go to Guangzhou. It's an easy city for Western guys and it's packed with single office ladies. Finding English speakers is very easy. I can put you in touch with many single women here, as well as find you a translator.

What's wrong with Shanghai? Well Shanghai women are formidable and if you want an easy life then they're not for you. Just think of all those LV bags you'll end up buying.

Beijing women are very attractive. They tend to be tall and pale skinned. The problem is Beijing. It has a terrible climate - hot in summer, cold in winter. And polluted most of the year.

The Chinese winter is horrible - only the coast round Hong Kong escapes. I still have the cough I picked up in Shanghai!

The best place for Chinese women is probably going to be Changsha. The only Westerners who are in town are men visiting Chinese women. Chnlove's biggest marriage agency is based there. There's something about Hunan women that American men love, as more American men marry Hunan women than women from any other Chinese province.

I once visited a city quite near to Changsha, and I'm not kidding - the women all looked like models. Even the girls selling fake socks on the sidewalk were 10's.

Guangzhou has the added advantage of Cantonese girls, and these have the mildest personalities in China. On the downside, their love of food makes them put on weight in later life!

Chinese women are very friendly - all the girls I've dated have been absolutely delightful. However I've only ever approached them online first. Approaching them in the street is hard - the hotter they are, the less likely that they speak any English. In Guangzhou many don't even speak Mandarin - this is a Cantonese stronghold, and the migrants speak wierd Sichuan dialects.

Anyway, I'm building a photo gallery of Chinese women. Take your pick:

Chinese women of Guangzhou and Shanghai


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Southern China is the best place to go for dating, stay away from Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong.

Climate is a relative thing, if your used to cold weather you won't have any problem with northern China. The lack of sunshine in Sichuan province can be a little depressing for some people.

Monthly Sunshine Hours of Major Chinese Cities
http://www.allcountries.org/china_stati ... major.html
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Postby ph_visitor » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:44 pm

"I don't know if all Asian ladies are so soft - she tells me only she is this soft. "

Chinese, men and women, lie constantly about everything for no reason.

Even my assistant, and we work together 8 hours a day, lies to me on a daily basis. It's just not morally 'bad' in that culture.

So, NO, she isn't the only one who is soft like that.

Chinese have lower serum T levels, thus softer skin, less muscle, slighter frame, no body hair. Some do not even appear to have vellus hairs their skin is so smooth.

This is why Asian women are the best - more feminine by far.

White women, all nations, just look manly to my eyes now.
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Postby emh » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:09 am

Maybe I should visit Guangzhou. After all, my hometown of Canton, OH is named after Guangzhou:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton,_ohio#History
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It just goes to show...

Postby polya » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:47 am

In China the women COULD be picky and go after the Chinese Bad-Boysm but most are sweet innocient girls. So It's the Culture in the West (e.g. Feminism) that has ruined our Women, not any real shortage of men!
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