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My 2 cents worth

Postby steve55 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:04 pm

Are you guys so desperate to believe that it's easy to date rich women and get free sex with them in the PH? lol If so, I've lost respect for a lot of you guys' intelligence and sanity.

Winston + 1 . While it IS possible to land a middle class girl in the phils, it is not as common of course. You are more likely to meet them online first than you are to just show up as a tourist and come across one. There are nurses, teachers, pharmacy managers, hotel managers on cherry blossoms (these I classify as middle class, not elite rich upper class). who will meet up and surely some will be beddable. But rich upper class elite? I dont think so. I mean, it is not IMPOSSIBLE for lightning to strike, especially if you are expat living in the rich makati district having exposure to these girls, after all, they are only human and if you are a nice guy and look good, sure it's possible.But x pats will not typically have access to these types. Perhaps nightwatchsf does, I wouldnt say its impossible.

If he claims that most expats can date middle class expats, he is deceiving you and you are gullible. Even Rock, our mack daddy here who gets girls in conservative repressed countries like Taiwan, said that non p4p girls in PH were not open to him at all. Read his trip reports to Manila and Cebu.ALL credible sources about PH life DO NOT say that middle class girls are easy to get. 99 percent of expats have no chance with them.

Winston, lets define middle class. I mean, Ive met TONS of what I consider middle class girls online. I never was able to to meet them cold turkey in the phils (walking the malls etc), but they are not too uncommon online , like at cherry blossoms and such. You need to clarify this one . Nurses alone are a dime a dozen. ARe they not middle class?? Please clarify a stringent definition .

Jacare
Winston,Seems that you are not getting something crucial here: your reality is not the same as someone else's.

What Winston is saying is that most foreigners/expats cannot just go there and cozy up to the rich elite there. Middle class, maybe, under the circumstances I described above. But upper class elite?? Well, everything Ive seen in my 7 trips to the phils and of 12 years of reading trip reports on numerous forums totally back this up. Im not going to go so far as saying that nightwatchsf are lies or bogus, as Im willing to consider this possibility given he is a good looking expat with appeal and style living 7 years in the makati area. But as Winston and others have said, it sure as hell aint an option for 99.9% of the guys traveling or living there. As Ive said, over 12 years Ive read posts from tons of x pats living in Manila and elsewhere and this is a FIRST Ive ever read such a thing. But as I said, I dont automatically dismiss it, but the guys who find or have access to such a venue would be .00000001% of xpats. 12 years of reading hundreds of x pat posts on many boards confirms this for me.

but stop for the love of god, to generalize things.
I agree with Winston on this one as a few others here do also. Generalizations do apply and do exist. That doesnt mean there are not exceptions and nightwatchsf's experience is 100% the exception. I wont go so far as to question what he posts as BS or a lie, but it is indeed the extreme rare exception. In that regard, nightwatchsf would be a great connection to have. lol.

you do sound like those entitled feminazi who always rationalizes her short comings by blaming it on every body else and their dog yet continously fails to recognize that maybe, perhaps maybe, the problem is with you Winston and not others.

I call BS on that! The reason is that what winston says 100% matches what Ive experienced in my 7 trips to the phils (as has Rock and he and I are both young, slender, good looking guys) and matches what Ive read and heard on dozens of trip report message boards by expats and other tourists.

However, enough is enough of your constant whining. Nightwatchsf, dave and Will, please continue posting about your refreshing experiences of living the good life in the Phiilppines. I'm going to return to the Phils in Dec-Jan for a few months and I have no doubt that my experience will be closer to Nightwatchsf, Dave and co.
I do think Dave's experiences are 100% credible. He hasnt claimed to be able to show up to the phils and bed the rich and elite. LOL.

Nightwatchsf's experiences apply to less than one percent of expats.

Exactly! <1% sounds about right.



Why didn't you answer my point about how in every restaurant I go to in the PH, foreigners are always with low class ghetto Filipinas only, or with other foreigners, while middle class Filipinos that can afford to eat there are always only with other middle class Filipinos?Also, in restaurants I never see foreigners with middle class Filipinos

Now, to argue against Winston on this one is PAINFULLY in ERROR. Ive been there 7 times and traveled all over! And this is one thing that I noticed was ALWAYS true. Again, not to say it CANNOT happen and that there CANNOT be an excpetion to the rule. We are only talking generalizations here.


I was at each of the parties or events where these pictures were taken and have hundreds of other pictures. The nightlife here is hopping, and the girls are beautiful.

Must be nice to be in that <1%. if I planned on going back I would be hittiin ya up to hook me up. he he he



Most Philippinas date foreigners for money or passports

Agree that this is not true.

USCIS REPORT TO CONGRESS

“Why do foreign women want American husbands? Many sources suggest that these women are searching for a "better life" in terms of socio-economic factors--they do, for the most part, come from places in which jobs and educational opportunities for women are scarce and wages are low. However, when the women themselves are asked this question, the answer generally indicates an attraction to American men (they look like movie stars) and an aversion to native men. Americans, they say, make good husbands while Filipino (Thai/Indonesian/Russian/etc.) men do not. Americans are thought to be faithful to their wives, while the native men are cruel and run around with other women. True or not, this is the perception.â€￾ (Source – USCIS by Robert J. Scholes, PhD with the assistance of Anchalee Phataralaoha, MA)



The only philippinas that can be accessed by foreigners are either poor or prostitutes

This is a general rule if you are talking about guys who just show up cold turkey and look for girls to meet. I found this to be generally true in that situation. But not true if you are talking about meeting the girls online first and then going there to meet them. And if you are an expat, I dont see why a expat cant meet up with middle class girls if he is living there. Cebu and Makati are going to have some professionals (engineers, nurses, university proffesors) that a descent expat should be able to EVNTUALLY meet some of these girls. Its not easy per se, but shouldnt be extremely diffcult either. The upper class and elite is an altogether different thing.

WIll N Dowd
Now for the most important part: The Pinays! From beginning to the end it was a non-stop humid orgy of girls. Even before I got out of the taxi from the airport on arriving there, the local girls were onto me and wouldn't let up until I was on the plane back here.

LOL, well, if you plan it right by lining up online contacts like form cherry and DIA, I believe this can be true.


Will N Dowd
I took a taxi from the airport to my hotel and when I arrived there, 3 young girls were standing outside my hotel and once they saw me inside the taxi paying the driver, they started screaming and jumping up and down, waiving and knocking on the windows. Once I got out they were all over me, asking 20 questions, and inviting into the room they lived in the hotel.

Although I got extra attention everywhere I went, I cant say I ever had a paparazzi experience like this! lol. WOW!

Will N Dowd
The girls came fast and furious and applied constant pressure to me through text messages. I had to hide my DIA profile after I ran out of time in which to meet the girls I had lined up from there.

Yes, spot on. This is common for many guys who lined up dates online prior to going. If the girls know you are coming, prepare to be overwhelmed. lol.

WIll N Dowd
I was essentially rarely alone, and really only when I wanted to be. My record for home runs in one day was 2, one in the AM one in the PM. My record for hanging out was 4 girls in one day, a difficult thing to accomplish without overlapping. My record for meeting girls was 5 in one day.

If you plan your trip with enough contacts, and thow in a few local pickups, especially if you go to the local bars/pickup joints, this can be a common experience for guys who are descent looking, heck, maybe even for less than descent looking guys. LOL. But it is true that there are a large % of prostiutes in these bars and some may not ask for money if they like you enough so you may not even know it. But I would be very surpised if these girl Will met on the spot in the local scene did not ask for some kind of financial favors. Even non hardened pros will hint at help with money even if they didnt ask for anything prior to taking them to your hotel. And I think this is what Winston is hinting at, that it is harder to go out on the local scene and meet girls who wont ask for finacial favors before or after the deed, unless you are an expat living there and have had time to meet the right kind of locals. In my trips, I was able to hook up with some non pros working at the malls. But I never was very aggressive or tried to get numbers so if I had been, perhaps it would have been far easier to hook up with regular working locals/non pros. Admittedly, I spent most of my time in angles city but I did also have considerable time in Manila and cebu. My feeling was that if you are aggressive enough, flirtatious and ask for numbers, you can do well. And if you go to the local nightlife hangouts, you can do even better. But prostitution is so extremely rampant in the phils, its can be hard to know if you are talking to a regular girl or a PFP.lol. If you are shy like me. its best to line them up from the net.

Will N Dowd
Then I tried my luck at picking up the mall girls. I met miss shoes, miss silver and miss milf. I gave my phone number to miss shoes, but never heard from her, then I got miss silvers phone number and then I walked by one store and the five girls working there stopped me and pulled me inside and to know more about me. They all asked a a bunch of questions, and then the hottest one was all over me and told me straight out she wanted me, so I got her phone number, and texted her the next day. I met her after her work and went for dinner with her and her also hot friend. They treated me like a god

I did not experience such aggresisveness at the malls in Cebu and Manila. But in angeles city I did experience something similar at a cell phone shop. A pack of girls was flirting with me. The cutest one of them yelled out to me "can I apply to be yoru girlfriend". I got her number and Winston and I met up with her and her friend later at Mo's restraunt in AC. I got sidetracked by another girl I met in AC so I could not pursue or follow up with her. This would never happen in the US. LOL


It was incredibly easy to get girls to come to my hotel at a moments notice. I payed for a taxi and they would be on the way in minutes. A few times when I brought them home, they would complain that the locals sitting outside commented in Visaya that I was bringing yet another girl home with me, so I reminded them they weren't the only one and they could leave if they wanted and I could get another one over fast.

LOL, how funny. Yea, Ive heard this complaint over and over again from guys who were meeting many girls. This is why some guys will change hotels every few days. LOL. That is cool the girls didnt get turned off and back out. FIlipinas seem to be accepting of such behaviours which is good for us guys.

Jacare
I can tell you from own experience, that when I was in Cebu, last year, I went to a nice resort on a nice beach and I hooked up with the tall and stunning 22 year old resort manager. She's the most beautiful girl I've seen in the Phils so far. I'm still in touch with her

I believe this is posisble but NOT COMMON! But not extremely rare either. These girls are only human, so if you seem like a descent guy, and carry yourself well, I dont see why a guy cant land a middle class professional here and there. But a girl like that isnt an elite such as nightwatchsf is talkking about, perhaps middle class.


The guys in those thumbnail pics are NOT dressed any differently than me. They are wearing jeans and polo shirts, just like I wear everyday. There is nothing special about their clothes. They only look good in them cause they are skinny


I agree on that. Nothing special about their clothes. Jacare does seem to have a hard on for you WInston. LOL.
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Re: My Side of the PI Story

Postby OutWest » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:10 pm

Mr S wrote:Ugh, once again I am being called upon to clear the air regarding what Winston says is the truth; supposedly that I completely agree with his discourse here Vs. what is considered REALITY based on my personal experiences and knowledge pertaining to the Philippines.
I hope this discussion post gets marked so I don’t have to repeat myself in the future regarding similar information. As has been stated previously much in life is based on personal experiences, experiences MAY VARY based on whatever to infinity...

Okay, basically the first few years I lived in the Philippines I tried to explore and partake of every nightlife and social experience I could. Now, I was able to experience all the various female social strata on one level or another and I’ll give you my opinions about them broken down so it’s easy to understand. I've been living here 8+ years now, some good times, some bad, and everything in between. Is it better than in America? For me it is, but others it may not be. Anyways, lets get on with it...

Lower end:
Mostly hole in the wall KTV places, Filipino/Asian style strip clubs, foreigner style go-go bars, and lower-end discos/music bars. These places typically attract females who come from extreme poverty or difficult family situations. For example, she is the eldest in the family and thus must sacrifice her body for the sake of supporting her parents and siblings. Another, she is a single mother with limited upper education so the only way to make money is to prostitute herself. Again, she may have even been rejected by the family for various social/cultural reasons and now is independent with little to no family support. More, hooked on drugs (typically Shabu, i.e. speed) so needs to support her habit. Big one here, she’s obsessed with material wealth and the party lifestyle or easy money with little responsibility. Last, a lady boy who knows that it’s easier to manipulate and fool men when they are drunk and wearing beer goggles.
These are the general types of women you will find at the above places. Occasionally you can find a diamond in the rough. Through my own experiences visiting these places and hooking up with hundreds of women that fit this category, I have only met a handful that could be rehabilitated from this kind of lifestyle/occupation and become a decent GF or wife. I’m not kidding. Yeah, they are fun for partying, one-night stands, f**k buddies or friends with benefits type relationships. But if you are someone with a bleeding heart and think with your little mushroom tip head all the time, then your long-term experiences with women in the Philippines will be disappointing. It’s best to just fuck’em and chuck‘em, pay them to leave in the morning. If they happen to be cool or tolerable to hang around with more than a few hours at a time, then feel free to exchange numbers and f**k them some more. Then think about it again; is it worth getting deeper with them emotionally? Usually I stop there. Most women are boring and lame to hang around with anyways, we mainly only do it for the p***y. So can you imagine getting into a relationship with one of these emotional/mental/socio-economic basket cases? Just cause they look hot at 20 years old and f**k like rabbits don’t mean that will hold up 10 years down the road. Most of these women fool guys by speaking basic English, but they can’t hold a conversation for the most part about anything outside of basic human necessities to survive such as food, shelter and entertainment. I’m not joking here. You go on a date with one of these women in a normal restaurant and you’ll be staring at everything else in the room and talking to yourself than getting much from her. So it’s not worth being with these girls overall unless you want to invest some time into bringing their education up to speed and them willing to do that, which will be rare as most woman in PI are brainwashed that by 25 years old their life is over and they are becoming old maids. So thus their motivation to self-improve themselves are severely limited and tied to how high or low self-esteem they may have, which is generally based on her personal perception regarding superficial things such as looks, finances and material possessions.

The Middle:
Most of the middle class stay away from the extreme low or high-end places, including foreigner run places. They tend to be brainwashed into local chain Filipino owned franchised or local entertainment places. So basically you find them in larger gathering type places where they can all get together with their clique group at a large table and socialize together but for the most part socially ignore everybody else in the building. Examples would be places like Gerry’s grill, Cowboy Grill, O2 bar, other bars/grills where there are cheap tables to sit at and either watch/listen to cover bands playing pop rock or whatever is currently popular in the mainstream. Generally, the girls will be with guy friends or gays and will not be interested in mingling with strangers. I suppose you could try your luck and go up to them but it won’t be much different from hitting on women in Western countries. Most likely if there are guys there they will be more interested in talking to you and buying you a drink then the girls would be. To get with these types of girls you need to be introduced or work with them personally. It’s not hard to do if you live in the country or stay here for a few months but for tourists you probably won’t break into this social circle much if at all. I’ve had some luck with woman in this social bracket, but I live and work here so I have a bit of an advantage. I guess this would be the best range for a GF/wife if that’s what you want. They may be a bit more humble and will generally be more feminine than Western women. They will take care of their man in the old fashioned way once they fall in love with you, however they will expect a commitment from you and will start to try to control your life and basically you won’t be banging other girls on the side unless you already agreed on an open relationship or are smart enough to juggle women without being caught. Every dude I have met here has pretty much turned into a p***y after getting involved with a Filipina. Not that that’s a bad thing if you want a steady relationship. But if you still want to party and bang other chicks, if she finds out about it, it will be no different than dealing with the wrath of a Western girl. All women are emotional psychos, Filipinas may be sweeter in some respects, but they are still part of the female species and thus MENTAL.

Upper Class:
Yes, I have explored this route also and I think it’s a waste of time and money and I’ll tell you why. First, most of the higher end will go to private parties or closed bars so the average douche-bag guy looking for a lay will not be able to get in unless they are accompanied by someone already invited or they are involved with the management or promoter. Are they really that much cooler than other nightlife places? I guess that all depends on what you think is cool. I guess if you like being surrounded by artificial people with matching personalities who generally think their shit don’t stink then I guess you will do well in these types of places. I mean why would you search for a woman at these places to begin with? I though the whole idea of going overseas was to get away from high-maintenance ball busting woman who think they know everything but still don’t know shit. Yeah, they may look and dress better than the middle and lower classes, be better educated and may be able to hold a conversation but they are not much better or in some cases may be worse than the average Western woman. I’ve met these women, all ages and I’m not really interested in high-end woman. How are you going to keep a woman who is used to getting her way, treating servants generally like serfs or slaves, personal drivers/maids/cooks/etc. Likes to wear high-end jewelry, designer clothes, shoes, bags, hairstyles, make-up, etc. Unless you yourself make hundreds of thousands of dollars and upwards, most of these women will not be satisfied with the average horny douche-bag Western guy looking for a “traditionalâ€￾ woman. So my question is why bother? Would you hang around with these types of fake people in L.A. or N.Y.? Only if you were just as superficial as them or maybe your trying to network, but even then unless you need these kinds of people for something to make you money, I would just not deal with them all together. I used to live in Makati/Ortigas area and have been to all the five star hotel/Greenbelt/Fort Bonafacio bars/clubs where some of these kinds of ilk like to hang out, I’ve been to the Tower club where the business/politician rich like to hang and “partyâ€￾, if you call it partying. I’ve been to the gated communities where the various rich and embassies are located and attended some of those parties. I must admit the food they serve at these ambassador places are some of the best shit I’ve ever tasted, and I’m pretty picky about food. Let me tell you something, I met some old rich hags who are like the walking mummified dead. They wrap themselves in the most expensive clothes with tones of makeup and jewelry; I’m not surprised if they were dug up in an Egyptian tomb or something. Why you want to be married to one of these kinds of women? That’s what these rich Filipinas may turn into. Their husbands keep the high-end strip/massage and Sogo hotels in business, that’s for sure.

Conclusion:
The Philippines is not much different than any other part of the world in regard to meeting women and getting laid, it’s just generally easier. Basically if you are a guy from a Western culture background who is at least of average looks and keeps himself in shape with an average salary, you can do well here. If you are under 40, look better than average, are of average height or taller, not fat but slim or muscular, of European heritage, colored eyes, hair color lighter than black, blonde is ideal with light colored skin, you will do VERY well here. Not to say that if you don’t exhibit these traits you won’t score; I’m just saying it makes thinks much easier. However, if you keep all your options open, a retard could probably get laid. If you were in a wheel chair you could probably get laid, if you were a fat, balding, dirty old man you could probably get laid here. If you had skin as black as those in the heart of Africa, you can probably still get laid. Everything has a price here, and to say that all women are free is someone that doesn’t truly understand the relationship between men and women. Occasionally one may get lucky and pick up a one night stand without paying much but for a few drinks and a taxi ride, but it’s not like that happens every time one goes out. But like I mentioned above the better one looks and probably lies, then I guess its possible. I’ve done it numerous times but trying this all the time is not a guaranteed night of sex. That’s why I would rather ring up a FWB or just pay for it. I could care less what people think. If I want to get laid, I’ll get laid in one way or another. Anyways, you have a better chance of a good f**k from a professional than trying to hook up with regular chicks who are for the most part shy in bed and have to be trained up, which takes time. I got balls to drain, especially after a few drinks in me. Ooh, ooh it hurts it's so big, talaga! the minute I hear that I know the sex is gonna suck. So what do you do when you need to piss? You look for a urinal or toilet, same thing when a guy is horny. Guys worry too much about what women think of them or how they treat them, f**k that. After you bang them a few times you can decide if they are worth hanging around with on a semi-casual basis.

So yes guys it’s not hard to meet women here. As one moves up the social ladder it gets harder just like in any country. However considering that there are now over 100 million Filipinos in PI, with many local men working overseas. So it’s basically a p***y paradise. Now whether you are attracted to the Malay, Chinese, Mestizo look, that’s up to you and your personal preferences. However, if you spend some time here unlike many other countries you can almost always find a physical look you like here in the population. The larger cities will have the best looking women of course.

Look, only about 1/3rd of the male population I would consider real “menâ€￾; 2/3rd of the male population here are either gay/annoying faggots, extremely feminine acting or closet homos. The women here can’t find decent guys because there is an extreme scarcity of them. I mean 50+ guys can get woman in their late teens and early 20’s no problem in this country. How many countries can a man do that in anymore? Even the real men here, half are under or unemployed drunks or got some other addiction like drugs or gambling. So this is why foreign men of all creeds are treated like gods in this country. Even what would be considered a piece of shit in a Western country might be pretty good catch next to a typical f***ed up Filipino male. I’m not saying all the guys here are shit, just that a number of them are beyond hope. The productive ones mainly work overseas and aren’t around their families much. The women actually hold up the country, not the men. That’s why if you are not an Alpha male, the women here will boss you around in the relationship if you don’t nip it in the bud early. I actually got arrested for standing up to a girl in a relationship and smacking her around a bit when she was emotionally/physically violent towards me. Not that violence is the answer, but some women need a good smacking around to be shown who is boss. She will usually respect you after that and you won’t have as many issues with her. If you let shit go, like what Western women get away with, you may become pussified eventually, just a friendly warning to you all. It’s still old school in Philippines if you’re into that kind of relationship, it’s really up to you how radically feminized she becomes after she is with you for some time.

All and all, I travel every month to at least one Filipino city outside of Manila so I pretty much know what I’m talking about. I actually have conversations with all levels of society here and know the differences between the socio-economic classes here. If you want a good f**k or like to play mind games with women go to the lower end bars/clubs. If you want a relationship or marriage find a girl in one of the big universities in PI. Go on campus hang around the businesses near there and talk to the girls, it’s the easiest thing, trust me. Talk to the sales girls in various departments within SM, Ayala Malls, Robinsons, etc. They will at least have a decent head on their shoulders and probably open towards looking for a relationship. Bank tellers are also hot in this country but you gotta belong to one and use it to try chatting up certain ones. Nurses are desperate in this country so if you can find one of them, they are usually worth being with. Sometimes these girls seem standoffish at first but they warm up quickly if you smile and tell a corny joke or something, they are generally simpletons so it doesn’t take much to entertain the women here. I will say though that all Filipinos being super friendly and all that is kinda propaganda. Yeah, many are nice but discrimination and distance is still a reality here. Like for instance whenever I commute on a bus, train, jeepney, trike no one wants to sit next to me, generally I have the last seat for anyone to sit next to me. It’s not like I smell or have some grotesque human deformity, Filipinos don’t generally like conversing with strangers unless you initiate it first, and even then you may not get much out of them because of their English level.

Lower class: friendly but simpletons for the most part. Think middle school mentality/emotions with adult bodies.

Middle class: friendly if they know you, will respond if approached but not overly friendly until they warm up to you. Like to carouse in groups, easily manipulated by groupthink.

Upper class: Cautiously friendly if you have the right look, personality and attitude. Will be interested in you if you can provide something of value in return.

So you satisfied now or need more clarification on anything? I’ll try to answer but I’m pretty busy nowadays and don’t have time to go on long diatribes within this forum anymore. This piece took me more than an hour to write, and I don’t want to spend my time on this kind of topic over and over again when it’s been brought up numerous times in other posts.


Having spent about 10 years here, this is about the best write-up on this topic that I have seen. Men who have interest should save this last post, Mr. S nails it. Another thing, don't be dumb-asses men, why is it that some guy who spent a week or two in the Philippines is suddenly your new "expert" while men like Mr S who are actually living the life FOR YEARS and know what in the hell they are talking about, get ignored? I think a lot of men are just looking for someone to agree with their assumptions, rather than educate them.

A few words in your post here Mr S that should be emphasized a bit. "For the most part" is a very important line. With 100 million people, every rule you list here will have its significant exceptions. You may find, a beautiful girl from the lower classes that is intelligent and insightful. At the other end you may find an upper class girl who is humble and kind. Maybe not likely, but they do exist.

My wife grew up middle class, not rich but comfortable (Nice enough house, family has a car, decent furniture etc.) but yet all the while, it seems that her family has always been involved in various charity efforts, and are mindful that their lot in life is fortunate compared to the majority of Filipinos.

Mr S, you share my disdain for the so called elites. They have been talked up here as if they are something to achieve. My only criticism of your comments would be that they do not go far enough. These so called elites, like those in the photos no doubt, are typically real pieces of shit. They are the designers and profiteers of the corrupt system that runs the Philippines, and typically they drip arrogance... little bitches and bastards, really Kings of NOTHING. Most of them are NOT good people, and Lord, what heinous hags their women turn into! Their men must surely keep the higher end call girls busy! Most of the elites in the Philippines make my skin crawl.

And finally, yes as you say, few stand up men in the Philippines, so when any kind of a man shows up from overseas, he gets a lot of attention if he is decent. This seems to be self-cancelling if you are a monger though. Maybe straight girls here can still detect the smell of whores long after the fact? LOL Like pheromones or something? LOL I don't recall ever seeing the two worlds mix- men that go the whoring route tend to stay there, and men who are more family oriented live in a separate world. Hmmmm have to think about that one, but it seems to have some validity. Hmm, I have heard that a word to the wise is unnecessary. I think I will get a bowl of tinola and go back to bed.


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Re: My Side of the PI Story

Postby davewe » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:56 pm

Mr S wrote:I actually got arrested for standing up to a girl in a relationship and smacking her around a bit when she was emotionally/physically violent towards me. Not that violence is the answer, but some women need a good smacking around to be shown who is boss. She will usually respect you after that and you won’t have as many issues with her. If you let shit go, like what Western women get away with, you may become pussified eventually, just a friendly warning to you all. It’s still old school in Philippines if you’re into that kind of relationship, it’s really up to you how radically feminized she becomes after she is with you for some time.


While this was an informative and cool post, I am not sure that going to a 3rd world country where I am not a citizen and smacking a girl around, getting arrested, and prison f***ed by a bunch of Filipinos is exactly the way I wanna spend my retirement years, but that's just me :) YMMV.
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Postby Winston » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:56 am

Just to clarify something to you all:

I'm not saying that high society parties for expats don't exist. Everything exists somewhere, duh, from the best to the worst of things.

What I'm saying is that these parties are NOT open to most expats. Also, it is NOT easy to date attractive middle class girls in the Philippines at all. Most middle class girls there aren't even that attractive, and the ones that are are snobby as hell.

If it was easy, then how come every random expat I've met hasn't been able to do it? Even expats who work in Makati have to come to Angeles City once in a while for fun.

Lesson in basic economics for you all:

If something is easy to get for free, then no one would be paying for it. The go go bars in AC, Manila and Cebu would not exist.

I'm all for giving you guys hope, but not false hope, because false hope leads to disappointment.

This is NOT about my looks. This is about logic, evidence, probability and common sense. I wish some of you would learn about that. Taking cheap shots at my looks isn't going to change the reality of all this.

In fact, Steve Neese, Steve Hoca, and Rock are all good looking white guys who went to the Philippines but they didn't date middle class girls. See Steve Neese's long reply above.

Challenge to you all:

Try to find just ONE credible source that claims that middle/upper class Filipinas are easy to date and shag with no cost for the average expat foreigner in the Philippines. Just one. You can't find it, because there are no credible sources that say that.

Question for nightwatchsf:

Is it your claim that any average joe expat can shag good looking middle class Filipinas easily? Can most? Answer yes or no. Please clarify your claim and argument.

Btw all, I asked a friend on this forum about why some of you prefer to believe an anonymous poster over a credible source, which is illogical. Here is his interesting response to me:

"I'll give you the same answer for the second time in 2 days! I think I told you this also the day I bumped into you in Diane in the little 7 - 11 in AC that time too! Hopefully you believe me and not ask me for the 10th time. Here it is:

People want to believe in Fantasy. It makes life simpler and nicer. Guys want to believe they can say some PUA routines and get any girl hot and sleep with them. They want to believe they can get rich by passive income, 4 hour work week, get rich quick with no hassle Real Estate and bang 100 girls a year in the USA. I see people talk about stupid shit like this all the time on Forums like yours or on TV shows.

Reality sucks! and Fantasy sells. That's why everybody's real life is such shit. What did you tell me that of all your thousands of Forum members that <10 people have ever visited you in the Phil (or anywhere) and that most of them were weird and you didn't like them. So basically even with your Forum of "truth seekers" more 99% of them a talkers, bullshitters, and not doers!"


Again, I'm all for giving people hope, but not false hope.
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Postby Winston » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:15 am

Thanks for weighing in Mr S. You've given the most realistic assessment of Filipinas ever, better than I could have. You are a great writer who tells it like it is. I will try to mark your post or reference it as an info resource. Perhaps I'll add it to the FAQ topics as well.

I hope people take to heart what you wrote, so they can know the real situation in the Philippines and not get disappointed by big over the top promises and stories. This forum should be all about the truth, not about promoting BS. We are here to tell the good, bad and the ugly.

Thanks for taking the time. I'll be glad to treat you to dinner next time we meet. :)
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Postby pete98146 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:59 am

Winston wrote:People want to believe in Fantasy. It makes life simpler and nicer. Guys want to believe they can say some PUA routines and get any girl hot and sleep with them. They want to believe they can get rich by passive income, 4 hour work week, get rich quick with no hassle Real Estate and bang 100 girls a year in the USA. I see people talk about stupid shit like this all the time on Forums like yours or on TV shows.

Reality sucks! and Fantasy sells. That's why everybody's real life is such shit. What did you tell me that of all your thousands of Forum members that <10 people have ever visited you in the Phil (or anywhere) and that most of them were weird and you didn't like them. So basically even with your Forum of "truth seekers" more 99% of them a talkers, bullshitters, and not doers!"[/b]

Again, I'm all for giving people hope, but not false hope.


Winston, with an attitude like this, why don't you shut the entire site down? Seriously, if you are going to be a Debbie Downer, why should anybody listen to you? You base your argument that guys can't land a middle class filipina on Rock and Steve Hoca? Last time I checked, Rock (who seems cool) doesn't even like the filipino look and Steve Hoca seems to be a miserable nagger just like you. Why do you sweep guys that are successful like myself, Outwest and Davewe under the carpet? Shouldn't we be your heros ie guys that have gone abroad and found the best that a given country has to offer? Isn't that the coolaid that you are selling on this site? Hey the concept is there Winston. If you don't believe in possibilities and dreams then you are promoting the wrong message. Shut the site down or rename it "Miserable Abroad" because you are sending a mixed message. At best be neutral. Your pursuit of telling the truth is clearly painting a portrait of somebody that is not Happier Abroad. So what gives bro?

So just because you can't find a middle class lady in Phils doesn't.....I repeat doesn't mean others can't. Yes you need to have your stuff together to land one, but there are guys that are tired of dating in the west that do have good jobs, good personalities and decent looks. If they apply themselves and know where to look, then middle class filipinas are there for the taking.

Lastly, if Phils or Taiwan aren't working for you, get off your ass and try a place like Northern China!? Until you prove to be nothing more than an excuse filled bag of hot air that constantly needs to win every argument, you are quickly losing credibility by the day. BTW, no need to reply because I won't read it. Stop being so negative and step up the positive Winston. There are guys that are interested in being Happier Abroad afterall.
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Postby Winston » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

Pete,
You miss my point. Of course I want you all to be happier abroad. I'm not spreading misery. But I'm not going to give you false hope and tell you that hot middle class girls are easy. No way. I have met them and they aren't that much different than in the USA.

You are right that just because I can't get them, doesn't mean others can't. But MOST expats don't get them either. If it were that easy, every expat would be getting them, and all the go go bars would shut down. There would be no demand.

I'm just trying to be accurate. Accuracy is the top priority to me. Not giving false hope or BSing or sweet talking you guys. That's what makes me credible. I am also very talented and skillful in debunking BS. It's one of my major strengths. Take a look at these for proof:

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Articles.htm

It's one of my fortes obviously. Not every guy here is good at BS detection.

Again, I don't want you to be miserable. I just hate bullshit. It's not easy. Life is not easy. Everything has a cost and price, one way or another, unless you are talking about "true love" but that's not easy to get, even for celebrities.

That's life dude. Deal with it. Stop trying to attack me in irrelevant ways.

Read Mr S assessment and comparison above. Now THAT's accurate and realistic and no-nonsense. That's what I love... TRUTH! ACCURACY!

Some of you guys may not care about truth or accuracy (I know Davewe doesn't, because he's admitted that to me), but I am very big on it.

Lastly, if you want me to go somewhere where I'll be happy, such as China, then quit wasting my time by spouting irrelevant BS for me to correct over and over again. It's exhausting and time consuming.
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Re: My Side of the PI Story

Postby Mr S » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:06 am

davewe wrote:
Mr S wrote:I actually got arrested for standing up to a girl in a relationship and smacking her around a bit when she was emotionally/physically violent towards me. Not that violence is the answer, but some women need a good smacking around to be shown who is boss. She will usually respect you after that and you won’t have as many issues with her. If you let shit go, like what Western women get away with, you may become pussified eventually, just a friendly warning to you all. It’s still old school in Philippines if you’re into that kind of relationship, it’s really up to you how radically feminized she becomes after she is with you for some time.


While this was an informative and cool post, I am not sure that going to a 3rd world country where I am not a citizen and smacking a girl around, getting arrested, and prison f***ed by a bunch of Filipinos is exactly the way I wanna spend my retirement years, but that's just me :) YMMV.


I never said I went to jail, you have to pretty much kill someone for that to happen. Basically with domestic disputes you have to chat with the barangay police chief and have it settled amongst all parties there. The police generally try to resolve most disputes amongst parties before arresting people and throwing them in jail. Remember, America is a litigation based society now who feeds off of the prison and legal system for graft and profits, it's not really a deterrent anymore. Back in the day in America and any other country domestic disputes were given low priority as the legal force shouldn't be butting into peoples lives to begin with, they should work it out themselves. Western feminist mentality has brainwashed men and women into believing the the law should handle every little disturbance, basically a nanny state where the government is the parent and husband and wife are the kids. You've all given up your personal liberties and been duped into a corrupt litigation system backed by a growing police state mentality over there that hurts people's lives rather than betters them. I would say only in rare cases do domestic problems need outside sources to resolve them. Relationships and marriage have always been like this, I assume for thousands of years and the leftist pinko feminist wackos want to rewrite genetics and human emotions? I ain't gonna put up with female over-the-top emotional bullshit so I don't and refuse to ever live again in an Anglo or Nordic radical feminist oriented culture.
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Postby davewe » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:16 am

Winston wrote:Pete,


Some of you guys may not care about truth or accuracy (I know Davewe doesn't, because he's admitted that to me), but I am very big on it.


Why keep sucking me into this nonsense? I did not tell you that I didn't care about truth or accuracy. I said that when it comes to human relationships there is no absolute, scientific objective truth. That people have different goals and experiences. That my experience and Pete's and Outwest's and a dozen other guys I know from other boards tells me that middle class Filipinas do date and marry Westerners - at least some do.

BTW, I ready Mr. S's report. He never said that guys can't get middle class Filipinas. Again this is the point. Two people read the same posting and saw different things.

Rock is gone, Repatriate is gone, we haven't seen Will N since he started this thread (maybe that makes him smart) and the new guy got driven away too. And why? Because he had the temerity to post an experience that was different.

Guys - shouldn't we be cheering each other on? Shouldn't we be excited about our successes, even if someone's success is different from ours? Isn't this what originally brought everyone to this forum? That for me is the ultimate truth; that each person has a unique experience but his experience can still inspire me.

Or do we just want to sit in front of our computers, be miserable, complain about our world and our life, and do nothing about it? That's not the life I lead nor the life I intend to lead in the future.

So I will return to the Philippines, as well as other places abroad. I will "believe in the fantasy" and make it into my reality. That's my truth and a far more accurate truth it is than expressing the hopelessness than many of us feel in the West.
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Re: My Side of the PI Story

Postby davewe » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:22 am

Mr S wrote:
davewe wrote:
Mr S wrote:I actually got arrested for standing up to a girl in a relationship and smacking her around a bit when she was emotionally/physically violent towards me. Not that violence is the answer, but some women need a good smacking around to be shown who is boss. She will usually respect you after that and you won’t have as many issues with her. If you let shit go, like what Western women get away with, you may become pussified eventually, just a friendly warning to you all. It’s still old school in Philippines if you’re into that kind of relationship, it’s really up to you how radically feminized she becomes after she is with you for some time.


While this was an informative and cool post, I am not sure that going to a 3rd world country where I am not a citizen and smacking a girl around, getting arrested, and prison f***ed by a bunch of Filipinos is exactly the way I wanna spend my retirement years, but that's just me :) YMMV.


I never said I went to jail, you have to pretty much kill someone for that to happen. Basically with domestic disputes you have to chat with the barangay police chief and have it settled amongst all parties there. The police generally try to resolve most disputes amongst parties before arresting people and throwing them in jail. Remember, America is a litigation based society now who feeds off of the prison and legal system for graft and profits, it's not really a deterrent anymore. Back in the day in America and any other country domestic disputes were given low priority as the legal force shouldn't be butting into peoples lives to begin with, they should work it out themselves. Western feminist mentality has brainwashed men and women into believing the the law should handle every little disturbance, basically a nanny state where the government is the parent and husband and wife are the kids. You've all given up your personal liberties and been duped into a corrupt litigation system backed by a growing police state mentality over there that hurts people's lives rather than betters them. I would say only in rare cases do domestic problems need outside sources to resolve them. Relationships and marriage have always been like this, I assume for thousands of years and the leftist pinko feminist wackos want to rewrite genetics and human emotions? I ain't gonna put up with female over-the-top emotional bullshit so I don't and refuse to ever live again in an Anglo or Nordic radical feminist oriented culture.


Yeah, I get you. I suppose we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. My dislike of feminism does not go so far as to justify smacking a girl around. And even if it did I still would be very nervous doing it in a country where I am not a citizen and she is.
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Postby djfourmoney » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:54 am

For it seems like decades, I have heard if you want to find a nice girl to marry go to the Philippines. Here's the problem, the majority of women I see expats and mongers bag are the typical poor, short, dark skinned women. For thirsty men old men this is perfectly okay they are getting overlooked by the majority of women in their own country (usually UK, CA, US).

But I will not spent $1,000+ on a plane ticket to find women NO BETTER LOOKING THAN WHATS ALREADY IN LOS ANGELES and that's not saying much. The hottest Pinays are in the car model game (Import Tuner, D Sport, etc) complete with bolt-ons too, I don't care. If you want a stunner then sometimes they are modified and I don't take issue with that at all.

Problem is most of these women chase around and get upper middle class Asian (Japanese, Chinese, Korean) Men and White Men. Every so often a hot Pinay will date a brother but its fairly rare.

Would this dynamic change in the Philippines? I can't get a clear answer. Because its people like Winston that want to throw cold water on nice tales of success when everybody else wants to hear tales of woe. Look I don't wanna here how some body with checkered, bell-bottom pants came home from Cebu to complain about the quality of women.

Let's face it, some dudes just have no games, style or social skills. Its fine for Winston to point out that is largely not needed, which is true if you want to pull average looking women. But if you want something of higher quality you're wallet doesn't have to be bigger but man you better know how to talk, dress nice and dance a little bit, it all helps.

It also helps to stop chasing women 20 years younger than you. Most Upper Class women will have NONE of that unless your a former athlete in which case you won't find yourself in a developing nation chasing p***y, you don't need too.

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I take all of this with a gain of salt, because frankly I am reading stories of traveling sales men, retirees and contract workers from around the world. Not all these guys are young/distinguished, clean cut investment bankers, though some are.

Frankly Winston my only criticism is this -

According to your story you struggled mightily in the States and only found mild success away from here. That's great story and empowering to alot of men left on the trash heap by Western Women. That said I have not struggled that much with Western women in the sense I have left more chances on the table than a little bit by not having complete faith in my ability to pull.

So while in your experience or some retired dude experience may reflect what happens when a man isn't the classic tall, dark and handsome prototype that many women use to judge males from. As I said in another post, I don't make up the rules of sexual attraction. It doesn't matter if its man made via the media or something physical, that's what happens we have no control over that.

If you can find me a screaming hot Eurasian Pinay and she digs bothers I'll go...
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Postby Winston » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:25 am

To Davewe and Pete:

It appears that there are some misunderstandings between us. So I sent Davewe this PM, which I will also paste below so I don't have to retype it.

I'm not arguing the accuracy of experience. I'm arguing the accuracy of the GENERAL SCENE. Repatriate also made inaccurate statements comparing me to Tom Arnold and saying that I alienate everyone I know, which I can easily prove false.

That's the kind of inaccuracy I'm talking about.

Did you read Mr S comparison of Filipinas in that thread? It was a winner and was very accurate. That's the kind of accuracy I'm talking about. It's not about experiences, just a general summary of the dynamics of the scene.

You misunderstood me again. Why do you keep misunderstanding me? Usually men don't misunderstand each other. Only women do.

I will clarify this in the "I was a God in the Philippines" thread.

I didn't say that you can't have a different experience than me. But saying that most expats can easily shag hot middle class Filipinas for free is NOT TRUE. Most expats can't.

This has nothing to do with your girlfriend or wife, or Pete's. I don't know anything about your Filipina girlfriend. I don't know if she's middle class or not, or whether Pete's is or not. Even if you and Pete and Outwest do have middle class wives, so what? That isn't relevant to my point. Let me try to explain:

I NEVER said that expats can't get middle class Filipina wives. NEVER. I said that an average expat cannot easily pick up and shag a good looking middle class Filipina any time he wants to. Is that clear? NOTHING about your experience or Pete's disproves that. So what are you disputing exactly?

Most middle class Filipinas who are friendly to foreigners are not good looking at all. The ones that are good looking are super snobby and would not even be available to foreigners in most cases.

You can get a wife in the US too, but you will mostly likely settle. Most people in the US can get wives, but they have to settle, often on someoe not even very desirable. That's because in the US, you take what you can get. You don't have the pick of the litter, like you do with food in a supermarket. You can't just pick any girl that you think is hot.

The same could be said with middle class Filipinas. Sure you can marry them. Even Ladislav was married to one long ago. But that doesn't mean you have your pick of the litter or that you can pick up a hot one any time, like nightwatchsf claimed. They aren't easy, esp the good looking ones.

Do you understand?

Now that I've made myself clear, do you disagree with anything I've said above? If so, what and why?

Of course Rock doesn't find Filipinas generally attractive. Neither do I. Less than 5 percent are attractive to me. But that isn't relevant to his experience in the malls where he said that chubby middle class girls were rude to him and not approachable. I can see where he would get that since I've seen that kind of attitude from non p4p women as well.

I was just using Rock as an example that you can't just go anywhere you want and pick up middle class Filipinas who aren't in poverty, even if you are tall and good looking like he is. His tastes in women have nothing to do with that.

Likewise, Steve Neese and Steve Hoca did not easily pick up middle class girls either.

I never said it was impossible, just that it is not easy at all and plus, most of the middle class girls that like foreigners are not good looking at all. The hot ones there have this hostile vibe around them. Have you noticed that?

Anyway, I will post portions of this to the thread for clarification so I don't have to retype it.

Congrats to you and your Filipina partner, whether she's middle class or not.

Come to think of it, Cinderella was beautiful with a heart of gold, yet she wasn't middle class either, but very poor. On the other hand, her three step-sisters were all upper class and had the worst personalities. lol. So maybe it's best to find a lower class girl with beautiful looks and a heart of gold, whom you can bring up and hone? lol
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Postby pete98146 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:29 am

Thanks for the post Winston. Agreed that it isn't always easy to pull a middle class girl especially the better looking ones but all of you guys have to remember it's a numbers game. All it takes is to get ONE lady and your dreams are hopefully answered.

I do agree that you won't have any luck simply showing up and try to chat them up. My wife used to have American guys approach her at the mall frequently but she blew them off because middle class girls view this as creepy. So that leaves one of two ways to meet them.

Number one would be chatting with them online. I've shared my tips on how to locate them using a search engine which tosses out all women except those with a 4 year degree. But these women are there and they ARE looking to move abroad because so many of them are much more talented than the opportunities that they are given in Phils. Chances are these girls have brothers or sisters that already live abroad and they want to escape too! This includes accountants, nurses, programmers etc. But, you will need your crap together or they will quickly lose interest in you. This I will admit is true. Most are very smart and perceptive. Worst case scenerio the want a lateral move. If they don't view you as an equal, you're toast. But I met my wife online thru Cherry Blossoms. I've living and breathing proof that this technique can yield dividends.

The other option would be to get into their social circles if you are lucky to live there. But this requires confidence and a bit of persistance. Go find out where the middle class girls let off steam. Is it a yoga class? Singing class? Book club? http://wanderlust-padmini.blogspot.com/ ... anila.html. There are hundreds of things they do. But find out and go join them. If they see enough of you and they learn you are not a wierdo, they'll eventually let you into their clique. All of a sudden the yoga class turns into a Friday night karaoke party and one thing leads to another!!!!

But in either case, you need a plan of attack. You'll have to learn on the fly (VERY QUICKLY) Filipina 101. What do they like? How are they different from Western Women? How can you entertain them? How do you make them want you? Also, if you are successful, you'll need to learn that Filipinas NEED ATTENTION.....all of them. With this knowledge, use it to your advantage. Filipina men often drop the ball because they have so many women to choose from. You need to make her (not you) the center of your universe. If you are unwilling to do this then I can tell you flat out that Filipinas ain't your cup of tea.

Last but not least is clear your mind and get rid of all the negativity. Who cares if you've had bad luck with women in the past. News Flash: we all have!!! Get into the right frame of mind to date them. Again, they are clever and will drop you like a hot potato if you are a negative, me-first type of guy.

Hey let's be honest here for a second. Many of you guys will roll your eyes at my advice. That's perfectly fine but you won't succeed with middle class filpinas. Nothing wrong with the ones from the poorer families. Id' rather date a poor filipina than a rich American broad any day of the week. But know your limitations. If you don't have luck or experience with women, focus on a middle class 6 or 7 and then work your way up once you gain confidence. Trust me, they are out there but you have to go where they go. Unlike the poor girls, they won't be approaching you. Not only that, they are single and lonely too....just like the poor girls.

So that's it Winston. It's not so much of a rebuttual but instead a game plan. But I still think the middle class filipinas are there for the taking. I'm also confident that if I had to, I could duplicate my efforts over and over and over again with them.

That's my take the topic and I'm sticking with my guns still.....
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Postby chanta76 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:11 am

I never been to the Philippines but something is telling me that compared to USA it's easier to get a middle class decent looking girl vs a decent looking girl who is middle class in USA.

I think it's more work for an expat to get a middle class and because there is so many poorer girls who are easier to pick up most of the expat take the path of least resistance.

I think it also depends upon the expat. Let say you got an expat who is 30 or 40 something. Decent looking and clean cut with good personality. He wants a middle class attractive filipina. I wager he would land one . Just my thinking..again I never been to the Philippines so I have no idea how it's really like....but I think it's just more work but not impossible to land one
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Postby OutWest » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:08 am

pete98146 wrote:Thanks for the post Winston. Agreed that it isn't always easy to pull a middle class girl especially the better looking ones but all of you guys have to remember it's a numbers game. All it takes is to get ONE lady and your dreams are hopefully answered.

I do agree that you won't have any luck simply showing up and try to chat them up. My wife used to have American guys approach her at the mall frequently but she blew them off because middle class girls view this as creepy. So that leaves one of two ways to meet them.

Number one would be chatting with them online. I've shared my tips on how to locate them using a search engine which tosses out all women except those with a 4 year degree. But these women are there and they ARE looking to move abroad because so many of them are much more talented than the opportunities that they are given in Phils. Chances are these girls have brothers or sisters that already live abroad and they want to escape too! This includes accountants, nurses, programmers etc. But, you will need your crap together or they will quickly lose interest in you. This I will admit is true. Most are very smart and perceptive. Worst case scenerio the want a lateral move. If they don't view you as an equal, you're toast. But I met my wife online thru Cherry Blossoms. I've living and breathing proof that this technique can yield dividends.

The other option would be to get into their social circles if you are lucky to live there. But this requires confidence and a bit of persistance. Go find out where the middle class girls let off steam. Is it a yoga class? Singing class? Book club? http://wanderlust-padmini.blogspot.com/ ... anila.html. There are hundreds of things they do. But find out and go join them. If they see enough of you and they learn you are not a wierdo, they'll eventually let you into their clique. All of a sudden the yoga class turns into a Friday night karaoke party and one thing leads to another!!!!

But in either case, you need a plan of attack. You'll have to learn on the fly (VERY QUICKLY) Filipina 101. What do they like? How are they different from Western Women? How can you entertain them? How do you make them want you? Also, if you are successful, you'll need to learn that Filipinas NEED ATTENTION.....all of them. With this knowledge, use it to your advantage. Filipina men often drop the ball because they have so many women to choose from. Use this to your advantage. You need to make her (not you) the center of your universe. If you are unwilling to do this then I can tell you flat out that Filipinas ain't your cup of tea.

Last but not least is clear your mind and get rid of all the negativity. Who cares if you've had bad luck with women in the past. News Flash: we all have!!! Get into the right frame of mind to date them. Again, they are clever and will drop you like a hot potato if you are a negative, me-first type of guy.

Hey let's be honest here for a second. Many of you guys will roll your eyes at my advice. That's perfectly fine but you won't succeed with middle class filpinas. Nothing wrong with the ones from the poorer families. Id' rather date a poor filipina than a rich American broad any day of the week. But know your limitations. If you don't have luck or experience with women, focus on a middle class 6 or 7 and then work your way up once you gain confidence. Trust me, they are out there but you have to go where they go. Unlike the poor girls, they won't be approaching you. But they are out there! Not only that, they are single and lonely too....just like the poor girls.

So that's it Winston. It's not so much of a rebuttual but instead a game plan. But I still think the middle class filipinas are there for the taking. I'm also confident that if I had to, I could duplicate my efforts over and over and over again with them.

That's my take the topic and I'm sticking with my guns still.....


Good stuff Pete. Middle class girls can be found, but certainly not "picked up". To be clear, experiences vary, and NightwatchSF did imply for example that he was quite well off and able to spend the kind of money that would put him in certain circles that most expats never touch. So without judging that one way or the other, his experience will not be typical....besides, for many they are better off meeting a poor girl with a heart of gold and some humility.

And Winston, I will grant you this for sure, no one is just picking up middle class girls in malls or other places to shag, and the only thing like that would be if you can be around long enough or if you have the money to buy your way into certain cliques.
It sounds like NightwatchSF is in that category, but few will experience that. Like a lot of things, some people can do things that make it look easy, but it might be just their luck and or good skills.

I will tell you, I met my wife in a mall. I was in Gaisano mall in CDO. (Cagayan de Oro) and I was buying shoes at the same shop she was. She was buying some decent type athletic shoes made in China- for a about p1800 I think- that is a bit over $40.
Right there is a hint- even such a relatively low priced shoe is still expensive for most filipinas and half a months pay for some at the low end or worse. I was buying some walking type shoes for a bit more, like P2000. ($50). She moved so gracefully and she had on these nice slacks...really the loveliest girl I had seen in a long time. (Got that? just in case you read this love...wink wink) I tried and succeeded in catching her eye, but frankly, she gave me the brush off and left the store, and I was thinking I had just seen a disappearing angel.

I decided to cheer myself of my escaped angel by going upstairs and having nice mango shake at Izzy's cafe, and who should walk in right behind me but my escaped angel! She ordered a tall halo-halo and sat at the opposite side of the cafe even though the place was almost empty. Hmmm, I decided I would rather make a fool of myself than let this one get away totally- maybe she has a BF...or whatever, so when none of the staff girls were within earshot I walked over and said I noticed her from the shoe shop and gave her my card and asked if she was from CDO. I was able to put her at ease right away and I asked if her father was also in CDO, (Which I thought was highly likely, I was only asking as a formality and to show respect.) Then she came out of left field with a "Why, are you going to court me? She was laughing and blushing at the same time. I chuckled, but did not let that pass. I said yes, I would love to talk to your father. Then I ordered a soft drink and asked her if she would like one, which she did. Within minutes I we had agreed to meet at the Dunkin Donuts in the Divisoria the next morning and I had her cell number and she had mine on the card. Well gents, I floated out of the mall that afternoon. I had the giddy feeling that something really important had just happened.

I figured it would be interesting to see in the morning if she brought her dad along. Well she was actually early getting to Dunkin's rather than being on Filipino time. (good sign!) but she was by herself..(Neutral sign). Then she told me that her dad was down in Zamboanga, but she was in town with her auntie. (very good sign! A favorite aunt will usually know before the mom and dad!) Her aunt showed up in less than an hour while we talked about Beaches, places she had seen in the Philippines, and Xavier University just down the street. When her aunt showed up she gave me a looking over like a mother hen, but smiled when I asked if she would like some donuts and a drink, and by the time she had worked her way through two raspberry filled donuts, everything was just fine.
(Auntie likes me, a very good sign!) Well things moved pretty quickly from there, but that is a separate story.

What counted here most was a few things. In a very short period of time I had established with my soon to be GF and her auntie (Chaperone) that I was a gentleman, that I had manners, that I had a business card, that I was respectful of her and her family, and that I respected Filipino traditions related to family. Even if I would go on to respectfully violate a few of those later, the fact was I had shown that I at least was respectful from the get-go. My now wife has told me that she could not even believe what had happened with her within three days. She had her first romantic contact with a "Foreigner" and had already told her auntie that she would marry me someday.

If you are "family inclined" my experience will resonate a bit. Otherwise it is just my experience, your mileage may vary. Maybe I just got lucky. Maybe a life of many hard core risks found a way to settle me down. Whatever it was, I am fine with it now
Her dad? We are allies. One evening spent plying him with some expensive booze turned him into a maudlin dad from anywhere as he realized that his daughter was in a way, slipping away. He was a bit drunk and I thought a bit teary eyed as we parted ways that night.
All of that was just a bit more than 3 years ago.

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