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Interesting. Please explain your trip a bit. Everyone probably want to learn
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i have been living in Ukraine for 5 years , can you tell me more about your Ukrainian girl, did you enjoy the meeting with her, and what is your general rating for ukrainian girls?
relationship with Ukrainian girls takes work,not worth while is easy
Well, they're affectionate and horny as hell... doesn't take them long to decide to sleep with a guy
They also take care of their men, my friend made me breakfast every morning. American women, by contrast, think cooking a meal for a guy is slavery.
However, Ukrainian women don't go Dutch. When I met her in Kiev I just assumed that she made her own hotel arrangements. WRONG! I had to pay $300 to put her up in an apartment for the week. Let that be a lesson to the rest of you.
I do think they're less tolerant of age differences than Filipinas, though I could be wrong... I'm basing that judgment upon profiles from Ukrainian dating websites, and the women on those sites may be more picky. In any case, Ukrainian women are more tolerant than American women about age differences; In the USA you meet 40-something divorced moms who insist on guys their age or younger, for Pete's sake... at least Ukrainian women aren't that delusional. FYI, I'm 44 and my friend is 38.
Yeah, I enjoyed meeting with her.
By the way, how are you making a living in the Ukraine? Also, can you advise me on the cheapest way to get from Chicago to Odessa? The cheapest air fares are around $1300. Maybe I can take a plane to Kiev, then a train to Odessa?
In my experience, they do cook for you. I bought the groceries, she made dinner, breakfast or lunch. I didn't eat out once while I was there. This was all after taking care of the baby. She brought Oxana along only twice when her mother couldn't watch her.
I also paid for the apartment but she set it up, $30 a night.
It does pay off quickly but I wouldn't say any quicker than Western women. If a woman likes you and you don't break her trust, it could be the same night you met her, it could be the typical 2-4 dates. In Ukraine it took 2 days... That is if you don't wanna count the roughly 10-12 hours we spent online talking (Lucky Lovers).
Truth is 10-15 years is normal. I have talked to women as young as 19 and I was 39 at the time, she spoke English and worked as an Au-pair in Sweden previously. The majority of women however do fall in the 10-12 year range.
I will be able to comment more on this in the future...
Gook Luck and when are you returning?
You need to watch for sales, Airlines don't announce these things really you're just going to have to keep track.
I've seen tickets as low as $599 RT from LAX to Kiev, this was a couple of years ago though.
I would try two stop tickets. You might wanna try a flight into Turkey and then on into Odessa.
It never was... You only hear overfished stories from certain folks... That is code for the women are not as poor and desperate as they might have been especially since the visa regulations were relaxed in 2007. More men are coming in, they can be more selective.
The truth is women not born middle class have to work 10-12 hours. If they are going to school, they still spend 8-10 hours working.
There has been a slight increase in the size of the middle class in Russia as more Western companies look to exploit the Russian market. All Ukraine really offers to women is several sector jobs...
Remember its still very much the case that women go to school for one thing, end up taking a job doing something that has no connection with their degree.
The first Ukrainian woman I dated was in San Francisco, when she was visiting her sister there. She told me at the end of our first date that she wanted to sleep with me. I dumped her because I thought she was either a slut or just trying to hook me for a green card ASAP.
The woman I dated in Kiev had a little more restraint. She waited until the 5th day of my visit before she decided she wanted to sleep with me. I didn't because I still thought that was too soon.
So 10-15 years is normal? I wonder if I should be holding out for somebody younger.
I hope to return in the spring or summer.
So will it be enough to check airfare.com every day?
OMG! You just have no idea on how relationship works over there, do you??? A few advices:
1. Women in Russia/Ukraine/FSU are easy to judge based on their behavior. Meaning - if she spends time with you, she will sleep with you! IT IS THAT EASY! And if she does not, men usually dump those women. I do as well, local guys say she is "f***ing your brains", meaning not giving it up to you after you invested money and time. Basically you ASK her when is it going to happen and you PUSH for it. The girls usually play this innocent game, like "omg you are being pushy", but they smile when they say that. So I reply "of course I am being pushy, imagine if I did not want sex from you at all, would you like that?" NOT A SINGLE GIRL agreed! They all want a guy who likes them in a sexual way! So as I said, I know how to play it since I am a local. Also the older I get the more aggressive I get and girls accept it just fine, since some dudes in Ukraine get drunk and try to grab their breasts somewhere in public easily. So when you are going on the date and try to do that, she may not like it, but it will not damage your reputation, since deep inside she will enjoy that you were trying to grab her ass. JUST DON'T DO IT the American way looking like a shy creepy pervert! Do it with pride like you do it every day.
If you are looking for a girl who does not sleep "easily" it can be done. But often those are the girls that don't give it up to you while they give it up to someone else. Are you following me here? I usually f**k a girl in FSU after 2-3 dates. Even more, they expect it to happen after 2-3 dates, since they are a little afraid of sleeping on the 1st night since that would look slutty, so I use it against them often saying "tonight is our second date, you know"
2. If you are looking for a virgin or more classy woman for marriage, you may look in Muslim countries of FSU, like Azerbaijan. Those girls look Persian/Turkish, very beautiful and know how to take care of their men.