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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Rock » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:34 pm

Also, if a girl talks about all this buying a house nonsense and other material topics, don't be visibly flustered by it. Just stay cool and smoothly change the topic. It might just be a test of your mettle, to see whether or not you are willing to submit to the provider role and too weak too assert your value as a man. Act like it's a non-issue. If she keeps coming back to it, you know she's a hard-core calculator and probably not worth wasting your time on. But if can get her to submit to your lead, it can still be alright.

Some Chinese guys may trick girls into thinking they will do all these things but later just bolt. There's a lot of suspicion and doubt. Girls there are probably not nearly as trusting as Filipinas, especially in places like Shenzhen. If you become one of these tricksters, you will have future bad karma to deal with.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Rock » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:45 pm

I mentioned getting respect. Does respect = attraction??? No! But, it helps, it really does. And on borderline marginal cases, it can be the make or break factor.

If a girl is considering you as a romantic prospect, getting her respect and admiration can be a DEAL MAKER while putting her off by annoying her can be a DEAL BREAKER. Chinese girls seem to be more left brain dominant than girls in many if not most other cultures. So these rational factors do have a material impact on results even in the realm of romance.

You're in Mainland China. Don't forget that.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Banano » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:49 pm

Whats easiest place in china to score?

I dont hear people bragging abt china abt easy lays so im just wondering.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby smallcheese » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:55 pm

Rock wrote:I mentioned getting respect. Does respect = attraction??? No! But, it helps, it really does. And on borderline marginal cases, it can be the make or break factor.

If a girl is considering you as a romantic prospect, getting her respect and admiration can be a DEAL MAKER while putting her off by annoying her can be a DEAL BREAKER. Chinese girls seem to be more left brain dominant than girls in many if not most other cultures. So these rational factors do have a material impact on results even in the realm of romance.

You're in Mainland China. Don't forget that.


Wow Rock, you really have great insights into the minds of Chinese women! As a man who's dealt with Westernized and mainland Chinese women for 30+ years in the U.S. and abroad, I can tell you that Rock's insights are spot on.

Hopefully your friend Winston will take your advice to heart and implement tactics that work best for him.

I'm sure if I gave him any advice on anything like this, he'd be jumping through the monitor and down my throat already, yelling and screaming at me, calling me an asswipe and stupid ass. :D
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Banano » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:39 pm

From my limited experience with chinese women I can say that they are the least romantic and most pragmatic women out there and I dont find those traits particularly attractive. They are walking calculators.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Winston » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:15 pm

Update:

Wow. Tonight me and zboy walked around and cold approached girls on various streets around my hotel area in dongguan. We got about 5 or 6 phone numbers and wechat contacts. That's a record high. I never got that many in one day before.

The girls do seem more relaxed here in dongguan as zboy claimed, and sweet as well. One of them even started talking to us in McDonald's when she heard us talking about girls in English. Lol

But it's a lot of work and time trying to maintain chats with multiple girls and building kino, as rock would say.

Smallcheese, no that's not true. Rocks advice was more constructive. But yours is condescending and full of false assumptions and blaming and bashing. You can't compare you and him at all. I do not lash out unless you do first. I am a mirror. You do not realize how you are coming across. Most of your advice is actually bashing based on wrong assumptions, not helpful advice.

Rock said your advice about projecting money and power in the sugar daddy role was a bad one. Remember?

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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby ethan_sg » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:20 pm

Winston's been taking a lot of stick on this thread but I must give him at least some credit.

Winston has very thick skin and is pretty brave in cold approaching random women on the streets. No matter how awkward or seemingly inappropriate the situation, little seems to phase him and I think he should get credit for that. He has cold approached tons of women in Shenzhen and taken his fair share of rejections but has also gotten a fair number of wechat contacts from girls here that way. No matter how random the situation or 'busy' a look the girl may have, as long as he thinks she's cute he will say something to her. Granted he may not always do it in the sleekest or smoothest of ways, but you don't always have to in China - there is a higher level of instant familiarity among strangers than there is in say, Singapore or the U.S.

The girls don't always fully get what he's saying because of his less than perfect Mandarin but then I come in and make conversation with the girl and explain what Winston's trying to say and then the girl starts warming up to us. For instance the other day on the street, he randomly approached this cute girl with a luggage bag on the street in the Guomao area in Shenzhen (busy downtown part of Shenzhen). It was the most random thing but she was quite responsive to us and then asked us if she could borrow a mobile phone because hers was out of battery. So I lent her mine and then she told us that we should have a drink together, we then sat together at the nearby KFC and talked. Before long we then invited her to have dinner with us together at a nearby Italian restaurant and she readily agreed. We got her wechat contact and over the last few days I've been having talking a lot to her and just like that she becomes another decent dating prospect. Credit where credit is due, Winston is actually a pretty good wing-man in a place like China despite the language handicap!

I do agree with Rock though that perhaps Winston could come across as a little more decisive and leader-like when interacting with a girl - that is a very important signal of masculinity to a woman and therefore whenever on dates, no matter how difficult some choices may seem, I always try to make a decision as soon as possible - whereas I may not be as decisive if I was with a male-friend - I think that kinda thing is hugely important when on initial dates with a girl.

May also take a visit to Dongguan to visit Winston and Zboy1 soon - Zboy1 is very positive about the place and I would definitely like to see what it's like. To me it's all a matter of degree. Shenzhen is surely a far better place than feminist developed cities but Dongguan would probably be even better than Shenzhen in terms of friendliness and down-to-earth girls.

So credit where credit is due - Winston is actually a pretty bold cold-approacher, not the sleekest or smoothest but definitely brave and thick-skinned, and a great wing-man to have around :D
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby chanta76 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:27 pm

I don't get it. If Winston is cold approaching and able to get numbers and even he said he is getting dates so what's the problem?
It's like a numbers game. For guys who are not too good looking has to play the numbers more. So the solution is to approach more.

So what's the complaint Winston. I mean if your getting dates or numbers as you claim your doing OK.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby pete98146 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:44 pm

chanta76 wrote:I don't get it. If Winston is cold approaching and able to get numbers and even he said he is getting dates so what's the problem?


1) Getting out of the friend zone 2) Getting their knickers off....
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby chanta76 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:26 pm

OK..

Ethan,

From reading others post your supposedly a really good looking guy and Winston is your wing man. From my experience anytime I winged with a good looking guy the girl or girls tend to gravitate to the good looking guy so I get stuck just cock blocking anyone else trying to interrupt. I'm not saying that Winston shouldn't wing with you and I don't know how you guys set it up but maybe help out Winston by having the girl focus on him. My guess is anytime you guys go out because your better looking the girls prefer you and Winston is just the ice breaker and you probably use Winston as the ice breaker to break into set. Just my thinking.

Winston,
To get out of the friendzone..from my experience you have to sex it up but slowly and not in a creepy way. For example even though you don't believe in PUA there are aspects that does work. You meet a girl and you say something funny for example and she is in good state high five her for example. It's the first touch later as you get closer touch her shoulder and lead her...as you walk down the street together which leads to hand holding.. before you go on a date always have a plan where to go ..what to do ..and interesting places to show or do..a .

You mentioned girls don't like to drink around you...one solution would be show her a bar that is unique and order two drinks ..wine or beer just order for her..this is where you lead and say cheers to something . If she doesn't drink she is being disrespectful and you should drop her. don't ask what a girl should drink ..unless if you guys decide not to drink or you decide not to drink.

In that case kino and slowly build connection..however you have that language problem. You should ask zboy how he does it.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby smallcheese » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:45 pm

Winston wrote:Smallcheese, no that's not true. Rocks advice was more constructive. But yours is condescending and full of false assumptions and blaming and bashing. You can't compare you and him at all. I do not lash out unless you do first. I am a mirror. You do not realize how you are coming across. Most of your advice is actually bashing based on wrong assumptions, not helpful advice.

Rock said your advice about projecting money and power in the sugar daddy role was a bad one. Remember?


You already have a highly negative opinion of me. My point was that even if I gave you constructive advice like Rock's, it wouldn't matter. If you replaced Rock's name on the comments with my name, I believe that you would automatically assume that it was going to be condescending or bashing in some way. And you would gloss over the words that were written and react by immediately dismissing the advice or start cursing at me or start insulting me or start calling me names.

Why do I believe that? Where's my proof? Look at the threads. You've done that several times already, with me on this thread and with others on other threads.

Even before talking to me, you've already stated on this forum that you don't think I'll be down to earth. You think I'm too condescending. You think I won't be mature. So your opinion of me has already been formed without ever meeting me or talking to me first. What are you trying to prove by talking to me? That you're a fair, objective and open minded person? Who are you trying to fool here? Your mind is already made up about me. I don't believe you'll be open minded and fair but I'm still willing to talk to you.

Or maybe you want to talk to me so that afterwards, you can tell this forum that you were right all along. That I'm not down to earth. That I am condescending. That I'm immature. You can then proclaim that you tried your best and gave me a fair shot. Are you that devious? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. I've never met or talked to you so I can't really say. In any case, I'm still willing to talk to you if you'd like.

Talking about maturity, I'm not the one who said you were dumb. I'm not the one who called you an asswipe. I'm not the one who called you a stupid ass.

If I'm wrong about that, please show me where I resorted to cursing and name calling with you. Using language like dumb ass or asswipe. You can't because I don't act that way on forums or in real life. That's not who I am. That's not in my DNA.

I think in real life you would be cursing and using foul language as part of everyday conversation because that's part of your personality. That's who you are. Is that true?

In real life, if you met someone like me who you vehemently disagreed with and you felt that that person was putting you down, would you call that person an asswipe to his face? Would you call him dumb? Would you call him a stupid ass?

I highly doubt it. You don't strike me as someone courageous enough to say things like that to someone's face.

The anonymity and safety of an online forum allows people the opportunity to say things that they normally wouldn't say to a person's face. It emboldens them to be nastier and meaner to people, acting in ways they would never act like in real life for fear of reprisal. It enables cowards to act brave and courageous because there's no threat of physical harm or retaliation. Some people choose to remain respectful and professional in conversing with others in an online forum. Others do not.

Hey, this is your forum and your web site. So you can act however you please. If you like to curse out people you've never met before because you don't like what or how they say something to you, then you can do that.

But I'll never stoop to your level and do that to you. And yes, that is condescending.

P.S. If you and Rock believe that my advice about projecting money and power was bad, that's fine. I only offered my opinions. You can take it or leave it. At least I tried to answer your question.

I'm curious. Why can't you just say that you think my advice was bad and leave it at that? Why do you have to invoke someone else's name if you disagree with what someone says? Does using the name of a trusted friend like Rock or Ethan make you more credible?
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby droid » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:45 am

zboy1 wrote:
droid wrote:
celery2010 wrote:It DOESN"T MATTER if Winston is attractive or unattractive.
Even Winston himself has noted that many dorky and unattractive guys in China and other Asian countries stlll get women.
And Winston complains about that in an envious fashion.
I have also seen it with my own eyes.
You don't need to be really handsome to get women in China.


Excellent points, but it must be clarified those dorky guys are generally not getting casual sex, they're at the very least in a semi-committed relationship.
For casual sex you need to stand out -almost by definition- since 'easier' girls look more for looks/charm than for intellectuality or 'innane observations'. How cannot he see that as a "master of logic"?
He cannot see the logic either in that improving your looks and demeanor will improve the chances of getting more and better looking women, regardless of the location, it WILL be better, that's an undisputable fact.
How can someone be a "master of logic" and still believe in "demons" and "curses" while ignoring more readily available evidence and information?

I must add though that smallcheese and Winston are taking it too personally.


That's not true. You obviously have never been to China, droid. Dorky guys do okay here and you even have Chinese men who are ugly, but score easily here. It's not a sausage fest like it is in the States.


Hey thanks zboy1, i respect your input, you have orders of magnitude more authority on this, I was there only for a week.

The dorky guys I saw were formally holding hands with their girlfriends, that's all the information i had i guess.
But to clarify, are you saying dorky guys generally can get casual sex/one night stands? It's kind of confusing since some guys here say things are mostly marriage oriented or whatnot.

I mean I think we are being ambiguous about the concept of "scoring" in this thread. Some are referring to casual sex and others are referring to finding a wife.

It's not a sausage fest like it is in the States


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*Also, hey smallcheese not to nose in but i stand by what i said, try to drop it, it's too much, too personal, and too convoluted. Down the road you'll read your old posts and see what i'm saying. i've gone myself through the stage of 'enjoying' micro-detailed debates already.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby celery2010 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:47 am

smallcheese wrote:
LOL!!!!!! Life lessons from you????? LOL!!!!!

You don't know anything about me even though I've publicly documented who I am on another thread here. I'm going to take advice from a person who I think is morally bankrupt???? That's a laugh!!!!! It would be even funnier except that you're so delusional that you actually believe the moronic pontifications that you spew out.

You're so predictably arrogant and immature Winston! If you don't like what someone has written, you try to use logic in your arguments to prove that you're right. If that fails, then you start using foul language, insults and name calling. Sound familiar? :D

That's why I called you the Chinese version of George Costanza (from Seinfeld, if you've never seen the show before). Watching you react online in your forum is like slowing down to watch a car accident on the highway. You can't help but look.

FYI, I'm older than you. I'm in my 2nd and last marriage now and I married my beautiful wife last year after she turned 21. I'm 25+ years older than her. When you've been married before, most men become much, much wiser and are more cognizant of the choices that they make in life. I hope I've learned from my mistakes but who knows? I'm far from perfect.

I have 2 teens from my previous marriage to a Westernized Chinese bitch. Unlike you, after I divorced my first wife, I could not abandon my boys and let them think that I didn't love or care for them. Boys need a father's steady, positive influence in their lives so I consciously chose to stay in Hong Kong so that I could see them and guide them every week while they grew up. Even though it's costing me hundreds of thousands of dollars (USD), who cares? It's only money. Nothing to me is more important than my children. I made the choice to bring them into this world and it's my responsibility to take care of them until they are ready to take care of themselves. Even after they grow into adults, I'll still take care of them when they need me. IMHO, that's just what good fathers do.

You made a different choice with your son who was born out of wedlock and who you hardly ever see. That's ok. It's your life, not mine. At least you have the decency to send some money to help support him as he grows up. Hopefully you'll continue doing that. Your son doesn't deserve to be in the situation he's in now. He didn't have any choice, unlike you.

I made my own personal choice based on what I could live with. When I die, I'll die knowing that I did the best that I could for my children. I know Winston that you'll never understand the choices that I've made but hey, it's my life.

Winston, have you ever been married before? Have you ever had the courage to make that kind of commitment? Have your friends Ethan and Rock, who you reference as real life experts with women, ever been married before??? Have any of you had any children and spent time raising them 7 days a week for 18+ years? With an entitled wife (now ex-wife) and dealing with her femnazi friends? I'll put my 35+ years of experience with women and children up against any of you self-proclaimed experts. Paraphrasing Sgt. Schultz from Hogan's Heroes: "You know nothing! Nothing!" :D

I know that my words are wasted on you Winston. It goes in one ear and out the other. You don't want to hear or listen to anyone else's advice. That's ok. Like I said, it's your life. I'm just waiting for your life to derail again. Crash and burn like it always does inevitably, given who you are.

What irks me is that you seem to have some type of delusional disorder. Your chronic whining and constant self proclamations of how you're so handsome or how you have high credibility or how you're the master of logic or how you're like Buddha, are all laughable and ludicrous. And you refer to yourself in the 3rd person. You're very insecure. Winston, don't you realize that some people see you as a pathetic fool and you don't even seem to know it? You just keep going on and on and on and on ....

I like to banter with you and knock you off your high horse because it's so easy to predict how you'll react when you encounter someone who uses logic and experience against you. You react just like the Westernized women who you advise followers of your web site to avoid. Do you know what that makes you?

A hypocrite. So much for truth and accuracy.




This post brings up a VERY GOOD POINT.


Winston REALLY HAS NOOOOOOO EXPERIENCE WITH WOMEN.





That's why he fails with them.

He never really reached that point of having a serious girlfriend in high school and college and dating casually in his 20's and 30's and then being in a committed relationship and having kids.

When has Winston ever focused his effort on women?

Almost never.

Does Winston know anything about women's hobbies?

About childrearing? How they love relationships? Why they watch soap operas?

Why they like love stories?

NO.

He's like a child who never progressed past the age of 12.

He even describes himself that way.

For Winston, women are an alien race and alien culture.

Like how white americans might view Indian food.

He just sees the surface but doesn't truly understand.

I don't think i've EVER seen Winston post anything about women here.

He's an outsider.

Winston KEEPS SCREAMING, see? Other guys think i'm normal!!

Now how about we try asking women?

Let's put Winston on five blind dates.

Then LET"S ASK THE WOMEN, WHAT THEY REALLY THINK OF HIM?

Let the truth come out.........'

It doesn't matter WHAT the men think...

Remember who are you trying to date?

You're not thinking LOGICALLY, on the most simplistic level of all.....
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby smallcheese » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:05 am

droid wrote:*Also, hey smallcheese not to nose in but i stand by what i said, try to drop it, it's too much, too personal, and too convoluted. Down the road you'll read your old posts and see what i'm saying. i've gone myself through the stage of 'enjoying' micro-detailed debates already.


Thanks Droid, I appreciate your advice.

I understand what you're saying but I don't appreciate people cursing me out with foul language when I never use that kind of language against them. I don't back down from bullies in real life so I certainly won't back down here.

I guess I'm old fashioned that way and I try to respect others and be civil, even if I vehemently dislike what they say or how they say it. I don't resort to name calling or cursing to try to get my points across.

I thought this forum had more class and dignity than others like Rooshv. But maybe on this forum, people are used to Winston cursing at people or calling them dumb. I don't post that often so I guess everyone here is ok with it? Everyone here approves the use of foul language and cursing at commenters?

If so, then this is probably the wrong place for me to try and help others with my experiences living abroad. It's ok, no big deal. I'm still happier abroad :D
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby celery2010 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:10 am

Here's the thing, Winston.

There's even been famous tv drama shows about ugly, nerdy, undesirable guys getting beautiful women.

I'll bet a huge sum of money that you can't even name 2.

There's 2 very good examples that i think you should watch.

But i'm not gonna reveal them to you yet.

You JUST don't deserve them yet.

You've gotta do a little work, and if you start to progress, maybe you'll get some tips.

Have you ever really watched ANY Asian TV Drama or Movie?
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